By reiloYou shouldn't be laughing. OKC is Cleveland-west until proven otherwise.We've been consistent and steady the last several years only to have possible contending squads derailed by injury. *Slightly* different situation here.
By KingGondoLOL no, not at all. Lest we forgot the multiple ECF appearances and the Finals appearances by the Lebron-Cavs before he bolted to Miami?By reiloYou shouldn't be laughing. OKC is Cleveland-west until proven otherwise.We've been consistent and steady the last several years only to have possible contending squads derailed by injury. *Slightly* different situation here.
Your owner is cheap and broke up a core of three MVP-caliber players, and Sam Presti has been completely miss for three seasons now.
Can someone explain to me the difference between Scott Brooks and Mike Brown?
Name the one good move:
Pre-emptive "Steven Adams!" Players that are as good if not flat out better than Adams taken after him that fill many of the Thunder's needs:
Olynyk, Shabazz, Giannis Antetokounmpo, Schroder, Mason Plumlee
Pre-emptive "Steven Adams!" Players that are as good if not flat out better than Adams taken after him that fill many of the Thunder's needs:
Olynyk, Shabazz, Giannis Antetokounmpo, Schroder, Mason Plumlee
By reiloMaking the ECF (even back then when the East was a step above shit-tier) isn't nearly as difficult as making the WCF in this era.By KingGondoLOL no, not at all. Lest we forgot the multiple ECF appearances and the Finals appearances by the Lebron-Cavs before he bolted to Miami?By reiloYou shouldn't be laughing. OKC is Cleveland-west until proven otherwise.We've been consistent and steady the last several years only to have possible contending squads derailed by injury. *Slightly* different situation here.
Your owner is cheap and broke up a core of three MVP-caliber players, and Sam Presti has been completely miss for three seasons now.
Can someone explain to me the difference between Scott Brooks and Mike Brown?
The transactions you listed are what you would expect from a team that has a set core of championship-caliber players. Nibbles around the edge of the roster.
We've been over the Harden trade ad nauseam, but it wasn't Harden for Adams. It turned into Harden for Adams, Lamb, McGary, and Abrines.
And :lol at the idea that Kelly Olynyk, Shabazz, Giannis or Schroder would provide remotely the same role as Adams. We don't need a soft-ass big with no defense (Olynyk). We don't need a SF. We don't need a backup PG.
Plumlee is better right now, but let's keep in mind that Adams is one of the best young centers in the league and is only 21. Plumlee is 24.
Harden for Adams and whoever the fuck those other three are is complete dick. Presti is nibbling at something alright, and only you want a piece of it.
By reiloHarden for Adams and whoever the fuck those other three are is complete dick. Presti is nibbling at something alright, and only you want a piece of it.Think about it this way: let's say Morey makes Harden available for trade today and wants Klay Thompson or Bradley Beal, just like Presti did.
GS definitely says no, and the Wiz probably do too. The Raps might say no to Harden for Valanciunas too.
Getting equal value for superstars is hard (basically impossible unless you get lucky) and it wasn't even obvious that Harden was a superstar back when he was traded.
How about not trading him and just paying the luxury tax jfc
Missing the point all together because you've convinced yourself that was a necessary trade. Hint: it wasn't.
At least Gilbert isn't afraid to spend in order to win.
Missing the point all together because you've convinced yourself that was a necessary trade. Hint: it wasn't.
At least Gilbert isn't afraid to spend in order to win.
By KingGondoPlumlee is better right now, but let's keep in mind that Adams is one of the best young centers in the league and is only 21. Plumlee is 24.How long do you really have though? If Presti could redo that pick do you think he still takes Adams?
By reiloHow about not trading him and just paying the luxury tax jfcGilbert spends but he does it stupidly. That's almost worse than not spending because then you have zero room to correct any mistakes you make (see: Nets, Brooklyn and Knicks, New York).
Missing the point all together because you've convinced yourself that was a necessary trade. Hint: it wasn't.
At least Gilbert isn't afraid to spend in order to win.
The thing is I think a core of YNB-KD-Ibaka-strong center is more sustainable than YNB-KD-Ibaka-Harden. You're putting a lot of pressure on Ibaka to man the middle and then you have very little room to maneuver to get bodies against the likes of Dwight, Marc Gasol, Bogut, etc. This isn't the East.
In retrospect I'm not sure we make the trade, but nobody knew how good Harden would turn out to be as a primary option, and we'd still have to figure out how to construct a championship roster with 3 max perimeter players, a perimeter-oriented big in Ibaka and no money left to sign a big with a pulse.
By ForeverYes, actually. He's turned out better more quickly than anyone could have anticipated, and he still has a lot of room to improve.By KingGondoPlumlee is better right now, but let's keep in mind that Adams is one of the best young centers in the league and is only 21. Plumlee is 24.How long do you really have though? If Presti could redo that pick do you think he still takes Adams?
There was a lot of smoke before that draft that Presti was trying to move up. I suspect he was targeting Noel.
By KingGondoYes, actually. He's turned out better more quickly than anyone could have anticipated, and he still has a lot of room to improve.You're acting like Plumlee isn't developing too. There's a chance that Adams could end up better, but that's far from a foregone conclusion. 21 teams passed on Plumlee because they thought he'd have no room to grow after four years of college but that's clearly not the case.
What he looked like at Duke, to what he looked like last year, to what he looks like this year, is stunning growth. If you offered me Adams for Plumlee straight up I wouldn't take it.
And again, your window is limited. 2016 is coming up and you need the best player available.
I remember exactly where I was when Harden was traded. I thought I was being trolled, but my phone was blowing up. I immediately found a TV and flipped ESPN and there it was. Couldn't believe it.
By reiloHarder to win with Harden than without because of trash like Steven Adams?? Delusional.That's not what I said.
We would win a fuckton of games with Harden, but if any team could afford to cut him loose and add depth in other areas of need we could. We already have prolific scorers at wing positions and shoring up the frontcourt and bench is important with guys like Collison and Perkins nearing the end of the road. You need more than just scoring to get past the first round, especially in the West.
We've always tried to have a complete roster of guys that *fit*, not just assembling the most pure talent. That's why guys like Thabo and Roberson start at the 2, and why Harden came off the bench.
Presti made a calculation that giving up one player for assets and potential would be a better long term play than going all-in on three perimeter scorers and Ibaka.
We're still a title contender and we still have flexibility moving forward.
By ForeverPlumlee's a nice player, Presti has just always been about the long term play. Adams is younger (possibly still with room to grow) and he's bigger with a longer wingspan.By KingGondoYes, actually. He's turned out better more quickly than anyone could have anticipated, and he still has a lot of room to improve.You're acting like Plumlee isn't developing too. There's a chance that Adams could end up better, but that's far from a foregone conclusion. 21 teams passed on Plumlee because they thought he'd have no room to grow after four years of college but that's clearly not the case.
What he looked like at Duke, to what he looked like last year, to what he looks like this year, is stunning growth. If you offered me Adams for Plumlee straight up I wouldn't take it.
And again, your window is limited. 2016 is coming up and you need the best player available.
Can't really go wrong with either. Both have turned out better on the NBA level than expected.
Imagine if the Thunder had not rescinded the Tyson Chandler trade and traded Harden for just an average starting PG like Jose Calderon or someone. They probably win several titles with that team.
By KingGondoPlumlee is better right now, but let's keep in mind that Adams is one of the best young centers in the league and is only 21. Plumlee is 24.
He is? Did that happen over night? cause it wasn't true before then.
Is Reilo talking about other franchises not drafting well? Is this real life?
from the time that Portland missed on Durant until they rolled the dice and nailed it on Lillard here's what happened.
Picked: Brandon Rush
Missed out on: Hibbert, Ryno, Ibaka
Picked: Victor Claver
Missed out on: Taj Gibson, Danny Green
Picked: Elliot Williams
Missed out on: Lance Stephenson
Picked: Nolan Smith
Missed out on: Faried, Mirotic, Reggie Jackson, Jimmy Butler, Chandler Parsons.
Portland is absolutely incompetent at finding hidden gems in the draft. And yea, Damian and Aldridge are nice. But they're not Jordan or Durant. The highest echelon that Portland has reached since the Bill Walton years is precisely where OKC is now. 4 or so years of being in contention. Making the WCF and Finals and ultimately coming up short. If Lillard and Aldridge pull off what OKC has the last 4 years, most people would call that a success.
from the time that Portland missed on Durant until they rolled the dice and nailed it on Lillard here's what happened.
Picked: Brandon Rush
Missed out on: Hibbert, Ryno, Ibaka
Picked: Victor Claver
Missed out on: Taj Gibson, Danny Green
Picked: Elliot Williams
Missed out on: Lance Stephenson
Picked: Nolan Smith
Missed out on: Faried, Mirotic, Reggie Jackson, Jimmy Butler, Chandler Parsons.
Portland is absolutely incompetent at finding hidden gems in the draft. And yea, Damian and Aldridge are nice. But they're not Jordan or Durant. The highest echelon that Portland has reached since the Bill Walton years is precisely where OKC is now. 4 or so years of being in contention. Making the WCF and Finals and ultimately coming up short. If Lillard and Aldridge pull off what OKC has the last 4 years, most people would call that a success.
By DarkTo be fair, I don't think anyone predicted Love would be as fuckless as he is right now.
WRONG
As a defense for Gondo, i think the Thunder had to trade one of YNB/ Harden. Eventually. I don't see that core winning multiple championships. Everything could fall into place and they win one. But multiple? Hmmmmmmmmmmm probably not.
The real question is the return you get back. The only thing of genuine long term value they got out of the trade is Adams.There's a lot better than adams out there, probably 20 - 25 other starting centres. I don't really like the argument that he's young, so he'll develop. He's never really shown an amazing back to the basket game, or great touch. And he's not going to get a lot of in game touches with everyone around him. Particularly with brooks coaching.
That last point is the stickler though. Brooks hampers a lot of return value. Ibaka should be used a lot more. But he wasn't in his developing years, and as a result..... he's basically a PnP / spot up guy now. Someone who had much more athleticism than Adams, so what hope should I hold out that Adams is ever going to show more than Ibaka has got?
What would have been a good/better trade (oviously in retrospect) is YNB or Harden for PP, KG and Rondo. Throw in a draft pick or two. And then all you're skulking around for is an Atheltic defensive minded 5 (suns got one for free from indi).
A starting line up of Rondo, Harden, Durant, Ibaka, Sunslee
with PP and KG off the bench?
That's a much scarier lineup to me. You can even bench Rondo and let Harden / PP handle in crunch time. You've got experience, crazy, clutch, distribution. And to some extent, the veterans there will eliminate the stupidity of brooks, they'll just over ride him.
Swap Harden for YNB if you want.
OKC have this thing stuck in their head that they must always trade young / draft young. And always have lots of young guys. It's a great model to keep you competitive for a very long time (assuming you can always re-sign the people you want to re-sign). But It's very very hard to push you over the edge.
I really think OKC need to be looking at a "Nets/Celtics" type trade. Much harder now that they sold one extremely tradeable piece for not a lot though.
The real question is the return you get back. The only thing of genuine long term value they got out of the trade is Adams.There's a lot better than adams out there, probably 20 - 25 other starting centres. I don't really like the argument that he's young, so he'll develop. He's never really shown an amazing back to the basket game, or great touch. And he's not going to get a lot of in game touches with everyone around him. Particularly with brooks coaching.
That last point is the stickler though. Brooks hampers a lot of return value. Ibaka should be used a lot more. But he wasn't in his developing years, and as a result..... he's basically a PnP / spot up guy now. Someone who had much more athleticism than Adams, so what hope should I hold out that Adams is ever going to show more than Ibaka has got?
What would have been a good/better trade (oviously in retrospect) is YNB or Harden for PP, KG and Rondo. Throw in a draft pick or two. And then all you're skulking around for is an Atheltic defensive minded 5 (suns got one for free from indi).
A starting line up of Rondo, Harden, Durant, Ibaka, Sunslee
with PP and KG off the bench?
That's a much scarier lineup to me. You can even bench Rondo and let Harden / PP handle in crunch time. You've got experience, crazy, clutch, distribution. And to some extent, the veterans there will eliminate the stupidity of brooks, they'll just over ride him.
Swap Harden for YNB if you want.
OKC have this thing stuck in their head that they must always trade young / draft young. And always have lots of young guys. It's a great model to keep you competitive for a very long time (assuming you can always re-sign the people you want to re-sign). But It's very very hard to push you over the edge.
I really think OKC need to be looking at a "Nets/Celtics" type trade. Much harder now that they sold one extremely tradeable piece for not a lot though.
By giririsssAs a defense for Gondo, i think the Thunder had to trade one of YNB/ Harden. Eventually. I don't see that core winning multiple championships. Everything could fall into place and they win one. But multiple? Hmmmmmmmmmmm probably not.
The real question is the return you get back. The only thing of genuine long term value they got out of the trade is Adams.There's a lot better than adams out there, probably 20 - 25 other starting centres. I don't really like the argument that he's young, so he'll develop. He's never really shown an amazing back to the basket game, or great touch. And he's not going to get a lot of in game touches with everyone around him. Particularly with brooks coaching.
That last point is the stickler though. Brooks hampers a lot of return value. Ibaka should be used a lot more. But he wasn't in his developing years, and as a result….. he's basically a PnP / spot up guy now. Someone who had much more athleticism than Adams, so what hope should I hold out that Adams is ever going to show more than Ibaka has got?
What would have been a good/better trade (oviously in retrospect) is YNB or Harden for PP, KG and Rondo. Throw in a draft pick or two. And then all you're skulking around for is an Atheltic defensive minded 5 (suns got one for free from indi).
A starting line up of Rondo, Harden, Durant, Ibaka, Sunslee
with PP and KG off the bench?
That's a much scarier lineup to me. You can even bench Rondo and let Harden / PP handle in crunch time. You've got experience, crazy, clutch, distribution. And to some extent, the veterans there will eliminate the stupidity of brooks, they'll just over ride him.
Swap Harden for YNB if you want.
OKC have this thing stuck in their head that they must always trade young / draft young. And always have lots of young guys. It's a great model to keep you competitive for a very long time (assuming you can always re-sign the people you want to re-sign). But It's very very hard to push you over the edge.
I really think OKC need to be looking at a "Nets/Celtics" type trade. Much harder now that they sold one extremely tradeable piece for not a lot though.
I had to stop reading after your first paragraph. That team would have become utterly unstoppable. Harden/YNB/Durant/whoever/Ibaka would have been the most lethal small ball lineup ever. They would have weathered the injuries to Durant, Westbrook, Ibaka much better if Harden was there during the last few postseasons.
I think it's very reasonable that OKC makes 3 straight Finals if Harden is on that team and they're about 4 or 5 wins above where they are today this season if he was there to man the ship when Westbrook and Durant go down.
Kevin Love, 34% on threes and useless defensively
Klay in top 20 in defensive win shares, 2nd overall in plus/minus
By giririsss*snip*I'd agree with you if it was obvious that we need to make some other move to win a title, but it isn't. We could have won a chip last year but Ibaka got hurt.
There's a false binary in the minds of many NBA fans (not saying this applies to you) that unless you go all in you aren't trying to win a title. The stated philosophy of OKC's management has been to try to contend for as long a period as possible, because that theoretically gives you the best chance to win multiple chips.
There are several teams that are "over the edge" right now i.e. capable of winning an NBA title, and OKC is one. Winning one is hard (possibly harder now than ever, especially if you're in the West).
The MJ-Kobe-LeBron mindset of RINGZZZZ is overly simplistic, and just because your team falls slightly short doesn't mean the season was a failure.
Now there are certainly issues with this roster and things I'd change (most notably holding Brooks' feet to the fire, although he *has* improved), but overall I'm happy with the talent level and direction of the team.
By VahagnI had to stop reading after your first paragraph. That team would have become utterly unstoppable. Harden/YNB/Durant/whoever/Ibaka would have been the most lethal small ball lineup ever. They would have weathered the injuries to Durant, Westbrook, Ibaka much better if Harden was there during the last few postseasons.Dominant small ball teams get stopped every single year.
And given that their big would be the 4th most talented, not one of the top 2 most talented, really makes that iffy.
By KingGondoBy giririsss*snip*I'd agree with you if it was obvious that we need to make some other move to win a title, but it isn't. We could have won a chip last year but Ibaka got hurt.
Remain unconvinced about the current OKC roster greatly.
And i really have my doubts about YNB post 30yo.
By KingGondoWe could have won a chip last year but Ibaka got hurt.Spurs bodied you with Ibaka just as badly as without. He played in that series, in case you forgot.
No other team was winning a chip last year. C'mon.
By KingGondoThe stated philosophy of OKC's management has been to try to contend for as long a period as possible, because that theoretically gives you the best chance to win multiple chips.What good is flexibility if you never use it? If KD walks in two years OKC won't be contending again in our lifetimes.
By ForeverWhat good is flexibility if you never use it? If KD walks in two years OKC won't be contending again in our lifetimes.
Damn lol
By KingGondothis whole post is full of comedyBy reiloHow about not trading him and just paying the luxury tax jfcGilbert spends but he does it stupidly. That's almost worse than not spending because then you have zero room to correct any mistakes you make (see: Nets, Brooklyn and Knicks, New York).
Missing the point all together because you've convinced yourself that was a necessary trade. Hint: it wasn't.
At least Gilbert isn't afraid to spend in order to win.
The thing is I think a core of YNB-KD-Ibaka-strong center is more sustainable than YNB-KD-Ibaka-Harden. You're putting a lot of pressure on Ibaka to man the middle and then you have very little room to maneuver to get bodies against the likes of Dwight, Marc Gasol, Bogut, etc. This isn't the East.
In retrospect I'm not sure we make the trade, but nobody knew how good Harden would turn out to be as a primary option, and we'd still have to figure out how to construct a championship roster with 3 max perimeter players, a perimeter-oriented big in Ibaka and no money left to sign a big with a pulse.By ForeverYes, actually. He's turned out better more quickly than anyone could have anticipated, and he still has a lot of room to improve.By KingGondoPlumlee is better right now, but let's keep in mind that Adams is one of the best young centers in the league and is only 21. Plumlee is 24.How long do you really have though? If Presti could redo that pick do you think he still takes Adams?
There was a lot of smoke before that draft that Presti was trying to move up. I suspect he was targeting Noel.
By Vahagndiarrheaunless you've got an obvious transcendent talent available the draft is literally a gamble
By Smokeycan yal pls clean up the posts when you quote othersthat would be a cool feature
k thnx
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By VahagnIs Reilo talking about other franchises not drafting well? Is this real life?
from the time that Portland missed on Durant until they rolled the dice and nailed it on Lillard here's what happened.
Picked: Brandon Rush
Missed out on: Hibbert, Ryno, Ibaka
Picked: Victor Claver
Missed out on: Taj Gibson, Danny Green
Picked: Elliot Williams
Missed out on: Lance Stephenson
Picked: Nolan Smith
Missed out on: Faried, Mirotic, Reggie Jackson, Jimmy Butler, Chandler Parsons.
Portland is absolutely incompetent at finding hidden gems in the draft. And yea, Damian and Aldridge are nice. But they're not Jordan or Durant. The highest echelon that Portland has reached since the Bill Walton years is precisely where OKC is now. 4 or so years of being in contention. Making the WCF and Finals and ultimately coming up short. If Lillard and Aldridge pull off what OKC has the last 4 years, most people would call that a success.
Portland traded Rush for Bayless and drafted Batum with the 25th pick that year. Portland also drafted players like Cunningham, Patty Mills, and flipped John Withey for Robin Lopez.
Spurs drafted Cory Joseph instead of Parsons and Butler: frauds.
You're dumb and nobody was fucking talking to you.
By reiloBy VahagnIs Reilo talking about other franchises not drafting well? Is this real life?
from the time that Portland missed on Durant until they rolled the dice and nailed it on Lillard here's what happened.
Picked: Brandon Rush
Missed out on: Hibbert, Ryno, Ibaka
Picked: Victor Claver
Missed out on: Taj Gibson, Danny Green
Picked: Elliot Williams
Missed out on: Lance Stephenson
Picked: Nolan Smith
Missed out on: Faried, Mirotic, Reggie Jackson, Jimmy Butler, Chandler Parsons.
Portland is absolutely incompetent at finding hidden gems in the draft. And yea, Damian and Aldridge are nice. But they're not Jordan or Durant. The highest echelon that Portland has reached since the Bill Walton years is precisely where OKC is now. 4 or so years of being in contention. Making the WCF and Finals and ultimately coming up short. If Lillard and Aldridge pull off what OKC has the last 4 years, most people would call that a success.
Portland traded Rush for Bayless and drafted Batum with the 25th pick that year. Portland also drafted players like Cunningham, Patty Mills, and flipped John Withey for Robin Lopez.
Spurs drafted Cory Joseph instead of Parsons and Butler: frauds.
You're dumb and nobody was fucking talking to you.
There's that "I never get angry" Reilo. All someone has to do is trash your Blazers and your temper just loses it. I don't know if you're married yet, but if not, for the love of God - marry a Blazers fan.
By lawlohwhatBy Vahagndiarrheaunless you've got an obvious transcendent talent available the draft is literally a gamble
There's obviously an element of unpredictability. But seriously? You're acting like the draft is akin to Russian roulette when it's far closer to the stock market. If you know what you're doing, you're able to find talent in the later picks. If you don't, it looks like a gamble. I'm not a professional scout, but those exist for a reason and your lame excuse for your franchises incompetence is just that, a lame excuse.
Go back and look at that list again.
Bulls: Taj/Butler/Mirotic
Pacers: Lance/Hibbert/Kawhi/Paul George
Thunder: Reggie Jackson/Ibaka
Houston: Mirotic/Parsons
Like 4 teams are responsible for the majority of that drafting and trading.
Maybe if you weren't too busy being an idiot you would've realized that I was specifically talking about Sam Presti because he's been the Thunder GM for nearly a decade now.
But no, obviously you want to constantly prove that you are the biggest idiot in the room and lumped Olshey's last three seasons in Portland with his four predecessors. Unless you think Kevin Pritchard, Rich Cho, Chad Buchanan and Neil Olshey are all the same person?
Literally none of those were missed under the current GM.
But no, obviously you want to constantly prove that you are the biggest idiot in the room and lumped Olshey's last three seasons in Portland with his four predecessors. Unless you think Kevin Pritchard, Rich Cho, Chad Buchanan and Neil Olshey are all the same person?
Literally none of those were missed under the current GM.
Can I start a petition to get either David West, LaMarcus Aldridge or Blake Griffin to join Toronto?
gawd, I want a ring but if killers like the bulls are gonna keep crushing us in the 4th quarter, I want someone to clean up at the boards.
gawd, I want a ring but if killers like the bulls are gonna keep crushing us in the 4th quarter, I want someone to clean up at the boards.
Blake is only averaging like 7 boards a game tho.
Er almost 8 boards a game.
Wait Raptor fans
Lucas Nogueira
PPG RPG BLKPG PER
0.7 2.0 0.0 -11.74
How is that possible
What did he do on the court?
Er almost 8 boards a game.
Wait Raptor fans
Lucas Nogueira
PPG RPG BLKPG PER
0.7 2.0 0.0 -11.74
How is that possible
What did he do on the court?
D Rose looking the best athletically since his ACL injury imo. His floaters are ridiculous this year.
By reiloMaybe if you weren't too busy being an idiot you would've realized that I was specifically talking about Sam Presti because he's been the Thunder GM for nearly a decade now.
But no, obviously you want to constantly prove that you are the biggest idiot in the room and lumped Olshey's last three seasons in Portland with his four predecessors. Unless you think Kevin Pritchard, Rich Cho, Chad Buchanan and Neil Olshey are all the same person?
Literally none of those were missed under the current GM.
You comparing a guy who's been the GM for almost 8 years to a guy who's been the GM for running on 2. You're comparing a situation where a guy built a contender from scratch, then had to worry about what to do with expiring rookie contracts with a guy who's in about 2010 Thunder mode at the moment.
Neil Olshey is a great GM. What he did with the Clips, and what he's done with Portland so far has been good. But every move Presti did was solid gold until he traded for Perk. Then he started to make bad decisions. AND DRAFTING IS THE LAST THING YOU CAN CRITICIZE PRESTI FOR.
You wanting everyone to forget 30 years of Blazers drafting mistakes when that's sort of what your franchise is known for and then criticizing Presti for building "Cleveland west" sounds prosperous when in all likelihood, that's your franchises's trajectory.
By chicagocubsfanisthemanD Rose looking the best athletically since his ACL injury imo. His floaters are ridiculous this year.dude should play low key like andre miller.
I love Rose's high flying act, but its pretty apparent he's made of iron and clay.
By VahagnNeil Olshey is a great GM. What he did with the Clips, and what he's done with Portland so far has been good. But every move Presti did was solid gold until he traded for Perk. Then he started to make bad decisions. AND DRAFTING IS THE LAST THING YOU CAN CRITICIZE PRESTI FOR.Here is what I said:
By reiloLOL no, not at all. Lest we forgot the multiple ECF appearances and the Finals appearances by the Lebron-Cavs before he bolted to Miami?
Your owner is cheap and broke up a core of three MVP-caliber players, and Sam Presti has been completely miss for three seasons now.
Can someone explain to me the difference between Scott Brooks and Mike Brown?
By reiloName the one good move:
Pre-emptive "Steven Adams!" Players that are as good if not flat out better than Adams taken after him that fill many of the Thunder's needs:
Olynyk, Shabazz, Giannis Antetokounmpo, Schroder, Mason Plumlee
And somehow you focused on DRAFTING? I was discussing Presti as a whole. Why else would I bring up the Harden trade as the pen-ultimate bad trade?
Learn. To. Fucking. Read. I literally focused on Presti the last three seasons. I couldn't have been more clear.
By VahagnBut every move Presti did was solid gold until he traded for Perk. Then he started to make bad decisions.
You're not even disagreeing with me, so your retort was to go back and discuss draft selections from like 6 seasons ago. So what the fuck?
By knux-futureAgain I note…IIRC Mark Jackson recently signed with LeBron's agent….
just sayin
The Cavs need a little bit of Jesus in their life.
By VahagnI had to stop reading after your first paragraph. That team would have become utterly unstoppable. Harden/YNB/Durant/whoever/Ibaka would have been the most lethal small ball lineup ever. They would have weathered the injuries to Durant, Westbrook, Ibaka much better if Harden was there during the last few postseasons.The problem with that team is there's only one ball.
I think it's very reasonable that OKC makes 3 straight Finals if Harden is on that team and they're about 4 or 5 wins above where they are today this season if he was there to man the ship when Westbrook and Durant go down.