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I play all the time. On AU servers.

I'm getting back to playing a few times a week on PC in NA servers.

Man why do defenders always try to push the attacker spawn on capture missions. They get wiped, lose first point, never learn.

By Facism Go To PostMan why do defenders always try to push the attacker spawn on capture missions. They get wiped, lose first point, never learn.

you mean on the 2 point capture maps?

They don't ... at higher skill. In the last 20 seconds you may push forward to stop people forcing over time.

But in general... at higher skill ratings, people sit well back and force you into chokes.

In theory.

By Facism Go To PostAny of you guys still playing regularly? Would love a group of lads to roll with instead of playing solo 100% of the time :(

Part of a 12 people group. I play quite a bit, in Europe tho.

So far, I find season 3 much less fun than season 2. The knowledge gap about the game has grown huge. In CSGO, the basics are fairly common and well enforced: buy AK, buy kevlar, etc. If you don't, you're chastised. In OW, people try dumb shit all the time, probably because the meta-game is so much more time-consuming for people to know it.

Anyway, I've been finding it more fun to challenge myself with new objectives. I'm trying to be able to play as many characters as possible at diamond level. I'm super close to being able to play anything. I need to work on Sombra, Genji and Pharah, although I already play Sombra at diamond level and it sorta works. Literally everything else is smooth.

By Gabyskra Go To PostPart of a 12 people group. I play quite a bit, in Europe tho.

So far, I find season 3 much less fun than season 2. The knowledge gap about the game has grown huge. In CSGO, the basics are fairly common and well enforced: buy AK, buy kevlar, etc. If you don't, you're chastised. In OW, people try dumb shit all the time, probably because the meta-game is so much more time-consuming for people to know it.

Anyway, I've been finding it more fun to challenge myself with new objectives. I'm trying to be able to play as many characters as possible at diamond level. I'm super close to being able to play anything. I need to work on Sombra, Genji and Pharah, although I already play Sombra at diamond level and it sorta works. Literally everything else is smooth.

The huge difference is the classes. There's really one class in CS.

But in OW it's amazing how many people pick a "class" and just stick with that. Annnnd never learn anything else. So why they get countered in ranked... they can't switch off.

And also, you learn SO much about how to play with / against a character by playing AS that character. But so many people refuse to even try.

By giririsss Go To PostThe huge difference is the classes. There's really one class in CS.

But in OW it's amazing how many people pick a "class" and just stick with that. Annnnd never learn anything else. So why they get countered in ranked… they can't switch off.

And also, you learn SO much about how to play with / against a character by playing AS that character. But so many people refuse to even try.

They refuse to try because its not fun. Team may need another tank but if you want to play a FPS, being a Rein or Winston to have a chance at winning is lame.

The way that OW keeps players in the dark regarding their performances only makes things worse too.

By DY_nasty Go To PostThey refuse to try because its not fun. Team may need another tank but if you want to play a FPS, being a Rein or Winston to have a chance at winning is lame.

Sounds like you came in expecting Battlefield. Just play Battlefield? You don't show up to a soccer pick-up game thinking you'll be able to use your hands.

By Gabyskra Go To PostSounds like you came in expecting Battlefield. Just play Battlefield? You don't show up to a soccer pick-up game thinking you'll be able to use your hands.

Not Battlefield at all. I was in from the early days of OW - the issue I have is that the game's balancing has pushed it from the TF2 successor it was supposed to be to a pure MOBA.

There was potential to some really solid gunplay in OW at one point and now just about every balance patch has moved away from that idea.

By Gabyskra Go To PostPart of a 12 people group. I play quite a bit, in Europe tho.

So far, I find season 3 much less fun than season 2. The knowledge gap about the game has grown huge. In CSGO, the basics are fairly common and well enforced: buy AK, buy kevlar, etc. If you don't, you're chastised. In OW, people try dumb shit all the time, probably because the meta-game is so much more time-consuming for people to know it.

Anyway, I've been finding it more fun to challenge myself with new objectives. I'm trying to be able to play as many characters as possible at diamond level. I'm super close to being able to play anything. I need to work on Sombra, Genji and Pharah, although I already play Sombra at diamond level and it sorta works. Literally everything else is smooth.

I'm in the UK.

id is LiveFeed#2454, would like some bad hombres to roll with occasionally. Only in Gold after placement and 2 actual matches, not a fan of how the game will throw parties against my team of solo scrubs, even if we won both games :p

Actually love it when a random is on the same wavelength. Arcade mode, got Reaper on the last defense point in Halalmura, managed to get my ultimate ready with 5 seconds to go whilst the enemy team was about to finish the capture. Advertised that it was ready, hoping our Ana would use her ult on me.

She did, i dived in with mine activated, only survivor out of their whole team was the reinhardt

There's a UK-based Discord made by the "Your Overwatch" people (a youtube channel).
https://discordapp.com/invite/FadSx3u

the issue I have is that the game's balancing has pushed it from the TF2 successor it was supposed to be to a pure MOBA.

It took the TF concept and improved it. It gave more importance to team play, yet skill is still required. I don't know how it is on console where I'm guessing the balance is different, but good aim still carries the game a long way.

so I havent played since the halloween update

whats changed? about to jump back in--how has the meta changed as well?

By Dark PhaZe Go To Postso I havent played since the halloween update

whats changed? about to jump back in–how has the meta changed as well?

We were just talking about the meta, actually. It rotates around having an Ana, 2-3 tanks (primarily Rein, Hog, and D.Va), a second healer, and then fill the last one or two spots with a DPS class. Other comps are situational.

They've nerfed Ana a bit, but her flash healing can make tanks nearly immortal and her ult allows the tanks to really wreck opposing teams. The reason why it's a heavy tank meta right now is because of her.

Oh, they also added a new character. Sombra has a teleporter from Unreal Tournament (without the telefrags, I believe) and can 'hack' people with her right-click.

The 'hack' is a channeled ability that is interrupted with damage. It has a 12 second cooldown, iirc. Once Sombra completes it on an enemy, they can no longer use any abilities for like 10 seconds (I don't remember the actual value). They can still left + right click and use their passives, but their ults and other abilities like that are disabled.

You can also use the hack on med-packs. It has two effects: 1) Opposing team can no longer use that med-pack 2) the med-pack spawns insanely quicker (like every five seconds or something). This effect lasts about 30 seconds or so.

Her ult is an AOE around her that hacks opponents as well as removes their shield energy. Her passive lets her see near-death opponents around her.

Sombra's last ability is the ability to go invisible. It takes a second to kick in and any damage reveals her, but it lasts five or six seconds and gives her a speed boost.

She appears to be a little weak right now, so no one is really running her. I don't know if it has changed lately, but she was being described as a worse Tracer and her only good points were the ult and the ability to hack med-packs.

I'm happy to main Ana and put my sniping skills to work. Always felt bad choosing in her in the past but happy to hear she's part of the meta now.

Gotta imagine Lucio is the designated second healer?

By Dark PhaZe Go To PostI'm happy to main Ana and put my sniping skills to work. Always felt bad choosing in her in the past but happy to hear she's part of the meta now.

Gotta imagine Lucio is the designated second healer?

On offense for his speed boost. Mercy on defense for healing throughput and her rez.

By Kibner Go To PostOn offense for his speed boost. Mercy on defense for healing throughput and her rez.

No, Mercy still has zero place in the current meta. Lucio's heal syncs much better with Ana's grenade. Resurrection is shitty since it's dependent on your team dying for it to have any sort of impact. You don't want to rely on that. Plus Lucio actually can contribute by managing zones and getting kills.

https://www.overbuff.com/blog/2016-12-20-overwatch-hero-meta-report-tanks-for-watching


Also, Ana is more McCree than she is Widow. Watch how ryujehong plays her.

By Gabyskra Go To PostNo, Mercy still has zero place in the current meta. Lucio's heal syncs much better with Ana's grenade. Resurrection is shitty since it's dependent on your team dying for it to have any sort of impact. You don't want to rely on that. Plus Lucio actually can contribute by managing zones and getting kills.

https://www.overbuff.com/blog/2016-12-20-overwatch-hero-meta-report-tanks-for-watching


Also, Ana is more McCree than she is Widow. Watch how ryujehong plays her.

Thanks for the correction and clarification. I will defer to you on that. :)

Mercy does need another buff tbh. Her healing should be faster by 50% IMO, from 60/s to 90/s.

does ryu still use ana? havent watched pro ow since NV won OGN but last I heard ryu wanted to go back to playing dps

None of the heals need buffing. IT's why we're stuck in perpetual 'nothing ever dies except to massive burst' meta. Ana's needs dropping and we go from there.

By DY_nasty Go To PostThey refuse to try because its not fun. Team may need another tank but if you want to play a FPS, being a Rein or Winston to have a chance at winning is lame.

The way that OW keeps players in the dark regarding their performances only makes things worse too.

I'm not even saying another tank. People pick a single hero. And that's it.

But as Gaby said. This isn't ... CoD or CS, it's a team based, class based, objective based, shooter. It's not a Deathmatch game.

By DY_nasty Go To PostNot Battlefield at all. I was in from the early days of OW - the issue I have is that the game's balancing has pushed it from the TF2 successor it was supposed to be to a pure MOBA.

There was potential to some really solid gunplay in OW at one point and now just about every balance patch has moved away from that idea.

Thje idea that there's no gunplay is just silly.

By giririsss Go To PostI'm not even saying another tank. People pick a single hero. And that's it.

But as Gaby said. This isn't … CoD or CS, it's a team based, class based, objective based, shooter. It's not a Deathmatch game.


Thje idea that there's no gunplay is just silly.

I didn't say none, I said the shift is really apparent. Blizzard's balancing has pushed it in a very clear direction. I mean hell, its been months and 76 is arguably the only solid DPS character in the game. Every McCree nerf, the fact that D.Va's mobility is some of the best in the game and can flank effectively with a massive health pool and a lolnope on-demand barrier, abilities that simply trump gunplay being the norm, etc - this is a few seasons away from being an arena FPS name only.

They simply don't know how to balance a shooter.

don't know anything about the new hero but being able to cancel shields seems like it could be extremely powerful in combination with a lucio + ana + tanks

Sombra + Ana + Lucio + 3 tanks not viable? Just a thought running around my head.

Also--zenyatta D tier ? Whoa

By data Go To PostNone of the heals need buffing. IT's why we're stuck in perpetual 'nothing ever dies except to massive burst' meta. Ana's needs dropping and we go from there.

There's an interesting discussion about hwo we got here and why we're stuck here.

The addition of Ana really changed how solidified things are.

The real issues probably come back to map design a bit too. You get punished SO hard for losing more than 2 players early on in a map. Lose 2 players? They'll get the first objective. So you're stuck with 2 healers.

Why are you punished so hard? The respawns are VERY far away from the objectives, on defense or in general on KoTH maps.

So the question then becccmes who can give you the most utility out of the healers.
Lucio is obvious. The only character that can speed boost.
Ana has a hit scan long range weapon. Defensive ability (Sleep dart) that has massive utility, and an Ult that can break the opposition team. And thats on top of burst healing, and sustained healing. And a aoe damage burst that blocks healing on the enemy.
Zenyatta's ult is STILL really awesome. But you get there slowly. The healing you proivde is sustained, but no burst (until ult). Requires others to maintain LoS for both the sustained and ult. Your damage output is great, and the debuff is really good too. But it's a fairly slow moving projectile. Making it hard to be THE pharah counter. But you lack any defensive ability. Making you incredibly vulnerable.

So Ana just provides more.

With map design sort of stuck. It becomes a question of how do you balance the "Attack / Defense" characters so that their utility becomes more useful and less situational (with out being over powered), so that they hold more value than a 2nd or 3rd tank.

By Dark PhaZe Go To Postdon't know anything about the new hero but being able to cancel shields seems like it could be extremely powerful in combination with a lucio + ana + tanks

Sombra + Ana + Lucio + 3 tanks not viable? Just a thought running around my head.

Also–zenyatta D tier ? Whoa

The dropoff between D and F tier is still massive though. Zen and Winston occasionally poke their heads out. There's usually a gap inbetween all tiers but the gap in this meta is extraordinary once you go past C tier

Sombra just doesn't provide enough damage by herself to drop 76 over her. You'd be better even taking Reaper if you wanted that. A lot of teams will jsut wait out Lucio's ult rather than running Sombra JUST to counter it

Bio grenade dictates the game right now, which is why it's the Ana meta and not the Tank meta. I still think it was a bad decision to give the ability to deny heals to a healer and not a DPS. I'd like to see grenade made into a toggle. Either you switch to use it as anti-healing on the enemy or use it as a heal increase on your team. It's got more utility than most ults. Frankly I'd like to see diminishing returns on heals if there's more than one healer but I just don't see it happening.

By data Go To PostIT's why we're stuck in perpetual 'nothing ever dies except to massive burst' meta.

Disagreed. That's the impression you get when all your dps players do is shoot at shields. I never see any Tracer except my own. But I sure see a million shitty 76s who only contribute by targeting Rein's shield constantly.

By Gabyskra Go To PostDisagreed. That's the impression you get when all your dps players do is shoot at shields. I never see any Tracer except my own. But I sure see a million shitty 76s who only contribute by targeting Rein's shield constantly.

It's sort of why they run 3 tanks. So that you don't die as quick given the punishment for doing so is so great.

Stuff certainly dies though. You're right. But it's usually by their mistake. Which can be frustrating.

I still wonder if the community isn't just too much of a hivemind. I don't keep up with the competitive scene but it blows my mind that we don't see more variance. Just seems like once a meta is decided nobody even tries anything new and claims the setup to be unbeatable.

By Dark PhaZe Go To PostI still wonder if the community isn't just too much of a hivemind. I don't keep up with the competitive scene but it blows my mind that we don't see more variance. Just seems like once a meta is decided nobody even tries anything new and claims the setup to be unbeatable.

Blizzard nerfs the shit out of everything lol

Its like they think Starcraft 2 was nothing but great decisions

By Dark PhaZe Go To PostI still wonder if the community isn't just too much of a hivemind. I don't keep up with the competitive scene but it blows my mind that we don't see more variance. Just seems like once a meta is decided nobody even tries anything new and claims the setup to be unbeatable.

By DY_nasty Go To PostBlizzard nerfs the shit out of everything lol

Its like they think Starcraft 2 was nothing but great decisions

We see more variance now than we have in a while. The new ideas brought to the table with CN, JP and KR in there. Instead of just EU vs NA. Which was very stale.

But yeah, Blizzard are balancing this like tehy did Sc2. Through the nerf. Not balance.

It slowly killed Sc2.

It leads to no Unit / Hero being OP. But it leads to Long term META's that reward very safe play and the balance of numbers. In side that, there's skill. But it's still decided by META more often.

LoL, people go looking for Reaper? How odd.

By Phoenix RISING Go To PostLoL, people go looking for Reaper? How odd.

Reaper positioning is very different to McCree. Your eye line is on different parts of the map.

Widowmaker is easily the most trash thing ever.

Also this game legit has some of the worst team mates. I don't care what you fucking pick but if you're not going to get them off the objective why are you playing. You can't stat whore so what in fucks are these people doing.

I'll be surprised if I win a single round of competitive, not a game, a round. And I get parties, like my team mates manage to be ultra bad even while "coordinated", fuck.

Not sure where you are competively, but last season I was a little over 2600, which is just after transitioning between gold and the next rank. So if that is close to your level, we can duo up, if you like. I would like someone to go through placements with me this season anyway, lol.

Oh, I play on PC and my tag is in the op.

tea + overwatch = lawwwwwwwd

and I've still got to do the same kib--regarding placement ranks on pc

I'm on Ps4 which is the problem. I should get it on PC. I'm just asking for dumb console kiddies. Also I haven't played in forever which probably also part of the issue.

By Dark PhaZe Go To Posttea + overwatch = lawwwwwwwd

and I've still got to do the same kib–regarding placement ranks on pc

My reaper and soldiers do work. I even played a torb and mercy the other day in that random stuff and owned. But lord help me with teams sometimes ugh.

i'm 2260 after placement, haven't really touched comp though as there's no solo mm and i detest getting matched against groups.

By Facism Go To Posti'm 2260 after placement, haven't really touched comp though as there's no solo mm and i detest getting matched against groups.

Or you get a full group running solo and your group is amazingly shit, keep having that happen. Fun times.

By Tea Go To PostOr you get a full group running solo and your group is amazingly shit, keep having that happen. Fun times.

I usually get better results with full groups of people running solo.

It's the "groups" where you get arrogant groups of twatts who just refuse to play properly.

aka hanzo

I saw hanzos yesterday. Funny enough I played a group of 5 yesterday with a group of 4 on my side. The group of 5 was a bunch of stupid arrogant shits like you said Giri. I think they pubstomped a bit but then in my game realized you can't just mob up against a decent squad, you actually have to know wtf you're doing. We went up 2-0 but they came back. We eventually won. At the end I had like 60 elims and all kinds of shit.

By DY_nasty Go To Postaka hanzo

No no, he's a REALLY good torb.

...

There's no such thing.

Soldier is way more useful and versatile but the games I chose reaper my teams won so I'm like, well shit.

By Tea Go To PostSoldier is way more useful and versatile but the games I chose reaper my teams won so I'm like, well shit.

Funny you mention that. Soldier is way more useful and versatile than the majority of roster lol

By Tea Go To PostSoldier is way more useful and versatile but the games I chose reaper my teams won so I'm like, well shit.

By DY_nasty Go To PostFunny you mention that. Soldier is way more useful and versatile than the majority of roster lol

Now that they fixed his range issue, yeah. He's in a really good spot. And given the 3 tank meta, he's being used a lot. Because he can sit in safety, wont' get hit by mei, and can deny the other team going pharah. With Ana boost he can clean up tanks.

And if you can consistenty hit with his rockets you'll do the boost damage.

By DY_nasty Go To PostFunny you mention that. Soldier is way more useful and versatile than the majority of roster lol

Because he's got range, healies and those rocket blasts. Honestly like most of my teams do poorly because they don't target healers first. We won our games, just saying, because I'd take my reaper and blast their mercy and rufio to bits.

lol @ rufio

By Tea Go To PostBecause he's got range, healies and those rocket blasts. Honestly like most of my teams do poorly because they don't target healers first. We won our games, just saying, because I'd take my reaper and blast their mercy and rufio to bits.

Target prioritisation is REALLY bad in general. When i can play support (read, have competent tanks / dps) i'll call targets. It's why I feel i win more games with Zenyatta than Lucio, because i'll call the target that's highlighted with his discord orb.

It's common sense if you played enough games. Healers gotta die. If you're a dps with an escape plan go do it. Heal yourself back up and do some more damage. Also I generally don't like how some classes have better range on their shit than snipers. Snipers are just terrible at least on console. Health sucks, damage sucks, and they struggle to aim if someone farted.