In a recent match on Hollywood, our Ana was playing mind games with the other Ana. She would counter the other one, every single time. I was on Reaper, and whenever the opposite Ana would Nana-Boost their tank, I got the soul glow. Lol. Whenever their grenade was used, hers was. Oppressive af. Lol
I'm giving up the dream on Torbjorn until they buff him. When the fucking Support sniper can out dps your repair in seconds, it's too much bullshit to handle. 'Surprise' turrets aren't even fun because I can do that better with Bastion. And the sentry is the worst 'mini sentry' whenever I go into the mix with my rivet gun. I can get golds with Torbjorn but if the other team is remotely decent, I can't get anything set up and it's just frustration.
And if my team is getting rolled, there's nothing I can do because as soon as I get a turret up the payload is already there and it's getting dismantled by Mercy's pistol or Bastions' bird sat on it and killed it
And if my team is getting rolled, there's nothing I can do because as soon as I get a turret up the payload is already there and it's getting dismantled by Mercy's pistol or Bastions' bird sat on it and killed it
By data Go To PostI'm giving up the dream on Torbjorn until they buff him.
Were you saying Ana players are cancers while you main Torb? :D
By Gabyskra Go To PostWere you saying Ana players are cancers while you main Torb? :DI don't main anyone. Also a shitty Torbjorn is better than a shitty Ana.
By data Go To PostI don't main anyone. Also a shitty Torbjorn is better than a shitty Ana.Nah.
Also, Torbs aren't getting rekt by ana's. Or mercys. On their own. It just feels that way cause most supports are more map aware. And they usually come in the back so they have time to see the turret placement.
I think Hanzo being meta will be even worse for Torb though. For the map awareness reason.
Though it could open up tracer even more.
Oh no, pretty much every hero buff/balance so far has been an indirect nerf to Torbjorn and Bastion. DVa's Matrix, , McCree nerf to increase Pharah play, McCree's subsequent range, Ana being added to the game, there's no denying that. Blizzard just doesn't seem to give a fuck because y'know, that one time during launch Bastion and Torbjorn got some kills. Hanzo will just be another pile of dirt on their grave outside of any real viability.
Torbjorn and Bastion need serious reworks a lot more than McCree.
Torbjorn and Bastion need serious reworks a lot more than McCree.
By data Go To PostOh no, pretty much every hero buff/balance so far has been an indirect nerf to Torbjorn and Bastion. DVa's Matrix, , McCree nerf to increase Pharah play, McCree's subsequent range, Ana being added to the game, there's no denying that. Blizzard just doesn't seem to give a fuck because y'know, that one time during launch Bastion and Torbjorn got some kills. Hanzo will just be another pile of dirt on their grave outside of any real viability.I don't think they give a fuck becacuse at a higher level than "rando pub" torb will never be a good pick anyway, unless he's massively buffed to being OP.
Torbjorn and Bastion need serious reworks a lot more than McCree.
By data Go To PostAlso a shitty Torbjorn is better than a shitty Ana.You must play on console
By Gabyskra Go To PostYou must play on consoleNope. A turret can still aim even when you're trash. An Ana that can't aim is literally doing nothing.
Outside of this first chokepoint (seriously Blizzard...why), I really like the new map. It feels like a place where almost everyone should be viable. Zarya and Rein are going to be super important to have, I think. There are a bunch of nooks and crannies for assassins and flankers to weave and bob in and out of, so being able to pop shields on someone who got jumped is going to be useful.
There is a spot towards the back of the final point, at spawn, where getting to a shielded Bastion is going to be really fucking annoying to deal with.
Legolas 2016 Edition Hanzo should be king here as well as Junkrat.
Triple Jump Genji would have been great for this. lol
I feel like if they buffed Torb to much, then Pharah is going to be removed from the roster. LOL. I don't know what a middle ground for him would be.
There is a spot towards the back of the final point, at spawn, where getting to a shielded Bastion is going to be really fucking annoying to deal with.
Legolas 2016 Edition Hanzo should be king here as well as Junkrat.
Triple Jump Genji would have been great for this. lol
I feel like if they buffed Torb to much, then Pharah is going to be removed from the roster. LOL. I don't know what a middle ground for him would be.
Level 1 turret needs a buff or the upgrade to level 2 needs to be quicker. He's inbetween a regular engi and a mini sentry engi and they can't seem to decide which it is
By data Go To PostLevel 1 turret needs a buff or the upgrade to level 2 needs to be quicker. He's inbetween a regular engi and a mini sentry engi and they can't seem to decide which it isAnd this is what i meant.
If you buff his turret he becomes very powerful very quickly. He's super annoying as it is to pharah's or tracers. Buff him and can quickly rule those two classes out entirely. And that line is so very fine you could rule out any sniper. Basically any class that doesn't want to death ball.
He'll never be a pick at a serious comp level or pro level because he's way too stationary. Too immobile which makes him/ his turret easy to pick off. Along with the coordinated attack you see behind a reinhardt shield... his turret will never last long. And so yeah, you forced them to death ball but your team is then fighting 5 v 6.
I think he's a legacy bring over from TF2 that is nice... but probably out of place. Overwatch's gameplay is much faster than TF2. Maps are over much quicker. So I doubt we'll ever see them buff him to the point that he forces teams to "siege".
Oh shit, your use of the word "siege" reminded me of a weapon in Natural Selection called the siege cannon. It was a weapon that could shoot buildings through walls. NS was a hybrid fps/rts game so this was very powerful. It was limited to only buildings and only being able to shoot what allies could see (it was literally blind). It took a while to build, too. It had a very low rate of fire but also did splash damage.
They may be able to offer the choice between two different turrets for Torb: 1) the one he has now 2) a siege turret that is quite like the one in NS but targets characters instead of buildings (since there aren't many in OW)
The current turret forces people to death ball while the other forces them to split up. He could then influence how his opposing team approaches objectives much more than he does now while still keeping the core concept intact.
They may be able to offer the choice between two different turrets for Torb: 1) the one he has now 2) a siege turret that is quite like the one in NS but targets characters instead of buildings (since there aren't many in OW)
The current turret forces people to death ball while the other forces them to split up. He could then influence how his opposing team approaches objectives much more than he does now while still keeping the core concept intact.
I don't get what's wrong about him ruling out other characters. Pharah has basically made Torb and Bastion useless but it's the end of the world if Torb makes Pharah useless?
Just let him be able to reposition his turret and repair it faster so that it doesn't go down in 2 seconds to anyone that isn't a bot.
I also feel like him and Symmetra give way too little armor/shields. Their turrets do no damage and 75 armor aint shit, neither is 25 shields. Bump that up and who knows, maybe they might actually be useful and we can have more than 30% of the roster being used
Just let him be able to reposition his turret and repair it faster so that it doesn't go down in 2 seconds to anyone that isn't a bot.
I also feel like him and Symmetra give way too little armor/shields. Their turrets do no damage and 75 armor aint shit, neither is 25 shields. Bump that up and who knows, maybe they might actually be useful and we can have more than 30% of the roster being used
By Rob Go To PostI don't get what's wrong about him ruling out other characters. Pharah has basically made Torb and Bastion useless but it's the end of the world if Torb makes Pharah useless?everyone acts like it's the end of the world whenever pharah is useless for some reason. must be waifu syndrome.
Just let him be able to reposition his turret and repair it faster so that it doesn't go down in 2 seconds to anyone that isn't a bot.
I also feel like him and Symmetra give way too little armor/shields. Their turrets do no damage and 75 armor aint shit, neither is 25 shields. Bump that up and who knows, maybe they might actually be useful and we can have more than 30% of the roster being used
By Rob Go To PostI don't get what's wrong about him ruling out other characters. Pharah has basically made Torb and Bastion useless but it's the end of the world if Torb makes Pharah useless?His turret rules out A LOT of classes if it gets buffed to the point he's useful at that level. Basically anyone who wouldn't death ball and has sub 200 health. Hanzo, Widow, Tracer. Pharah cause of how she attacks. It would force the meta to be incredibly limited and stagnant.
Just let him be able to reposition his turret and repair it faster so that it doesn't go down in 2 seconds to anyone that isn't a bot.
I also feel like him and Symmetra give way too little armor/shields. Their turrets do no damage and 75 armor aint shit, neither is 25 shields. Bump that up and who knows, maybe they might actually be useful and we can have more than 30% of the roster being used
There's also the part where for the most part, all other heroes do require more skill to use. So people would rather see her/ tracer / etc. Placing a turret that requires no aiming your self is... underwhelming as a "skill" proponent. Particularly once the Turret places were known.
I don't disagree that he's weak. I just think he's fundamentally out of place in this game. Particularly with his current skill set.
Torb is fine in the right comps. The problem with Torb that people don't understand is the Turret should be used to give you a significant advantage in controlling a relatively small place. If you put a turret in a decently small area with a health pack, then that turret AND torb's great close range strength is going to take a concentrated effort to overcome.
People keep trying to completely cover the objective area with a turret and it's waste because that area is always going to get 90% of the focus of the enemy and you're going to have to place it relatively out in the open in order for it to cover said space. Torb is good at shutting off flank routes and he can leave those areas to do burst damage elsewhere when his ult is up.
Symmetra kind of has the same utility.
People keep trying to completely cover the objective area with a turret and it's waste because that area is always going to get 90% of the focus of the enemy and you're going to have to place it relatively out in the open in order for it to cover said space. Torb is good at shutting off flank routes and he can leave those areas to do burst damage elsewhere when his ult is up.
Symmetra kind of has the same utility.
It must be hell trying to balance for consoles. They already more than have their hands full with the PC meta.
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostTorb is fine in the right comps. The problem with Torb that people don't understand is the Turret should be used to give you a significant advantage in controlling a relatively small place.
There are multiple ways to get around the map that locking down an area doesn't really anything as they can just choose one of the other 4 routes.
Symmetra has an easier time because she can just move where her sentries go. Lock down a common route Tracer/Genji takes to push an objective and try to get an opening for their team, then maybe move your setup since they'll be expecting it the next time. Torb doesn't have that benefit, because you have to rebuild the turret, level it up again and it just takes so much more time.
The only thing Torb is good at is getting the very best POTGs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiMJ-s4T16M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKikF2qdtB8
I laugh every time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiMJ-s4T16M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKikF2qdtB8
I laugh every time
By Gabyskra Go To PostThe only thing Torb is good at is getting the very best POTGsWrong Turret mate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiMJ-s4T16M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKikF2qdtB8
I laugh every time
LMAO.
By giririsss Go To PostWatch the ESL Atlantic show down has been… very interesting. Very revealing about a few things.
Catching up on it now. Was that Envyus' first loss ever? The other team was playing their hearts out.
Although a gamble, defensive Tracer was fun to watch. When they were hot, the offense was in shambles.
By EldritchTrapStar Go To PostCatching up on it now. Was that Envyus' first loss ever? The other team was playing their hearts out.Don't follow it closely enough to say first loss or what ever. But it's no surprise to me that the NA teams lost. NA scene always hypes the shit out of themselves early on in games only to be shown to be well in the pack.
Although a gamble, defensive Tracer was fun to watch. When they were hot, the offense was in shambles.
Rogue were super interesting to watch. They switched heroes a lot mid game, picked heroes for certain stages of a map. And weren't afraid to brawl. - They'd pick a widow and when they got the point switch off of it immediately.
Re-united were a bit more conservative but they were a lot more innovative than the NA teams.
NV had never lost, Rogue was the first one to beat them.
also I think you're selling Fnatic a bit short giri. They ran a 3 tank setup with Roadhog/Rein/Zarya/Lucio/Zen/McCree. They might have tried some other stuff but I don't really remember as the team itself wasn't as good so even if they did try some unique setups it was bound to fail.
There were some bright spots from the tournament but majority of it is why I find pro OW so boring to follow as it's usually the same 8 or 9 characters always being used outside of very specific scenarios (teams using Mei on Point A of Hanamura and to a bigger extent Attacking Hanzo on Kings Row just to shoot the radar arrow)
I wanna say a big part of that is how Blizzard handles balance. It's like every two weeks they're changing characters giving no time for a meta to develop. It's just 'pick the two best tanks, attackers and support heroes' and hope you out aim your opponent. There's no time to determine whether you can incorporate a Torbjorn into a strat or something, because by the time you might actually figure out a successful way to do it, he'll get nerfed or someone else will get buffed which makes that whole setup pointless.
also I think you're selling Fnatic a bit short giri. They ran a 3 tank setup with Roadhog/Rein/Zarya/Lucio/Zen/McCree. They might have tried some other stuff but I don't really remember as the team itself wasn't as good so even if they did try some unique setups it was bound to fail.
There were some bright spots from the tournament but majority of it is why I find pro OW so boring to follow as it's usually the same 8 or 9 characters always being used outside of very specific scenarios (teams using Mei on Point A of Hanamura and to a bigger extent Attacking Hanzo on Kings Row just to shoot the radar arrow)
I wanna say a big part of that is how Blizzard handles balance. It's like every two weeks they're changing characters giving no time for a meta to develop. It's just 'pick the two best tanks, attackers and support heroes' and hope you out aim your opponent. There's no time to determine whether you can incorporate a Torbjorn into a strat or something, because by the time you might actually figure out a successful way to do it, he'll get nerfed or someone else will get buffed which makes that whole setup pointless.
By Rob Go To PostNV had never lost, Rogue was the first one to beat them.Not sure if fnatic are part of the NA scene in OW.
also I think you're selling Fnatic a bit short giri. They ran a 3 tank setup with Roadhog/Rein/Zarya/Lucio/Zen/McCree. They might have tried some other stuff but I don't really remember as the team itself wasn't as good so even if they did try some unique setups it was bound to fail.
There were some bright spots from the tournament but majority of it is why I find pro OW so boring to follow as it's usually the same 8 or 9 characters always being used outside of very specific scenarios (teams using Mei on Point A of Hanamura and to a bigger extent Attacking Hanzo on Kings Row just to shoot the radar arrow)
I wanna say a big part of that is how Blizzard handles balance. It's like every two weeks they're changing characters giving no time for a meta to develop. It's just 'pick the two best tanks, attackers and support heroes' and hope you out aim your opponent. There's no time to determine whether you can incorporate a Torbjorn into a strat or something, because by the time you might actually figure out a successful way to do it, he'll get nerfed or someone else will get buffed which makes that whole setup pointless.
But I wasn't trying to call the NA scene bad particularly. Just that they over hype themselves a lot. When really, they're just on par with the rest of the world.
Solo queue quick play leads me to an Ana on my team every time if no one picks support. If I don't pick Lucio, I NEVER see Lucio or Mercy in my team. Everyone wants to be leet dps
76 feels great on PTR. Better than he's ever felt. Not like busted 'i'm abusing mechanics to ensure dps' like he did before but like actual proper and predictable recoil
76 feels great on PTR. Better than he's ever felt. Not like busted 'i'm abusing mechanics to ensure dps' like he did before but like actual proper and predictable recoil
To be fair it's quick play, who gives a shit.
I use Ana and D Va in quick play because i'd like to be able to take them into competitive eventually. How else am I supposed to practice with these heroes?
I use Ana and D Va in quick play because i'd like to be able to take them into competitive eventually. How else am I supposed to practice with these heroes?
Overwatch has been more enjoyable since the season was over.
When I play Torb, I just voluntarily move my turret around whenever there are 3-4 heroes down, just to keep them guessing.
76 and And McGree do not bother me as Pharah. Zenyatta and his negative buff orb can go to hell though.
When I play Torb, I just voluntarily move my turret around whenever there are 3-4 heroes down, just to keep them guessing.
76 and And McGree do not bother me as Pharah. Zenyatta and his negative buff orb can go to hell though.
offseason is time to get away from the game imo
i feel refreshed and ready for s2 when it starts. gotta take a break from the game. wish more games had it
i feel refreshed and ready for s2 when it starts. gotta take a break from the game. wish more games had it
I've been ... getting really annoyed by bad team comps since the season has ended.
Being stuck with dumb shit in quick play is super annoying.
Being stuck with dumb shit in quick play is super annoying.
Someone that complains about how someone plays in casual ranks above that.
All throughout the season you guys would complain if someone used someone who wasn't a meta character and now you still complain even in an environment that isn't meant to be taken serious. So when are people supposed to just have fun and try new shit? In the training range?
This isn't the Overwatch Open, it's quickplay bro.
All throughout the season you guys would complain if someone used someone who wasn't a meta character and now you still complain even in an environment that isn't meant to be taken serious. So when are people supposed to just have fun and try new shit? In the training range?
This isn't the Overwatch Open, it's quickplay bro.
By Rob Go To PostSomeone that complains about how someone plays in casual ranks above that.I've been on record as stating that just because it's quick play, it doesn't give you the right to waste 10 minutes of my life so you can dick around doing dumb shit.
All throughout the season you guys would complain if someone used someone who wasn't a meta character and now you still complain even in an environment that isn't meant to be taken serious. So when are people supposed to just have fun and try new shit? In the training range?
This isn't the Overwatch Open, it's quickplay bro.
No one expects you to take quick play ultra serious. But that doesn't mean you can waste my time either.
You're not that important to determine how someone gets to spend their time. Obviously quick play isn't for you because as you've said you've complained about it before. Come back when Season 2 goes live?
I hate having my time wasted too and my patience is even thinner after CS where trolls waste 40 minutes of your life. It sucks but it's completely out of your control, not really worth getting upset over. At least we're just talking about quick play where you can just leave the match and not have to worry about being penalized.
I hate having my time wasted too and my patience is even thinner after CS where trolls waste 40 minutes of your life. It sucks but it's completely out of your control, not really worth getting upset over. At least we're just talking about quick play where you can just leave the match and not have to worry about being penalized.
By Rob Go To PostYou're not that important to determine how someone gets to spend their time.You're the kind of dude who shows up at a playground for basketball, hogs the ball, and says it's not the NBA.
Learn being decent.
By Rob Go To PostYou're not that important to determine how someone gets to spend their time. Obviously quick play isn't for you because as you've said you've complained about it before. Come back when Season 2 goes live?
I hate having my time wasted too and my patience is even thinner after CS where trolls waste 40 minutes of your life. It sucks but it's completely out of your control, not really worth getting upset over. At least we're just talking about quick play where you can just leave the match and not have to worry about being penalized.
Neither are you.
By playing different characters, but suitable, i'm allowing other people to do other stuff with out ruining their fun.
By purposefully doing dumb shit like 6 D.va's you're the one wasting everyone elses time.
By giririsss Go To PostNeither are you.I'm not the one complaining that someone is wasting my time because they aren't playing how I want them to.
By Gabyskra Go To PostYou're the kind of dude who shows up at a playground for basketball, hogs the ball, and says it's not the NBA.Except when I played at the park I rarely ever scored and got all my teammates involved.
Learn being decent.
Nice assumption though.
By Rob Go To PostI'm not the one complaining that someone is wasting my time because they aren't playing how I want them to.
How can you not grasp the very nature of the game is cooperation, no matter how loose you want to play it? Go play quake deathmatch or something. In truth, in quickplay, people take it seriously too, it's always competitive, they don't just fuck around. There's no place for selfishness in a game that is at its core about interaction and mutual benefits. You're that 10 year old who dreams of being Russell Westbrook, in real life, you wouldn't even get to touch the court because people wouldn't take that shit. It's the behind the screen effect, same shit as violent drivers who feel empowered by not having to relate to others, you don't understand you have power over others, and you should treat them with respect.
Clearly they do or we wouldn't be having this discussion.
lol roadhog https://clips.twitch.tv/overwatchopen/InexpensiveDoveUnSane
lol roadhog https://clips.twitch.tv/overwatchopen/InexpensiveDoveUnSane
By Rob Go To PostClearly they do or we wouldn't be having this discussion.
"People are shitty, deal with it" is the extent of your contribution. Thank you so much for such precious insight, I feel lucky to benefit from your great knowledge of humanhood.