God the ranking system is absolute shit
it's almost entirely determined by the first 10 games
and it doesn't take into account how well you played, i.e. if your team is doing fuck all and you're actually doing something useful and doing well it still penalises you heavily for losing. So in reality you contribute almost nothing to your rank, and it's essentially a reflection of your luck in matchmaking (i.e. how good your teammates are vs those on the other team).
I understand it's a team game, and if you go in with a group of 6 vs other groups of 6 then the system probably works quite well. But otherwise they really need to sort this because it defeats the whole point of competitive
it's almost entirely determined by the first 10 games
and it doesn't take into account how well you played, i.e. if your team is doing fuck all and you're actually doing something useful and doing well it still penalises you heavily for losing. So in reality you contribute almost nothing to your rank, and it's essentially a reflection of your luck in matchmaking (i.e. how good your teammates are vs those on the other team).
I understand it's a team game, and if you go in with a group of 6 vs other groups of 6 then the system probably works quite well. But otherwise they really need to sort this because it defeats the whole point of competitive
If you are solo-queuing, the matchmaker tries to set you up with other solo-queuers. The luck evens out once you have played a few hundred matches. The only thing you can control in those hundreds of matches is you. So, keep a critical eye on your play and think more about how you can improve and make a bigger impact on the game instead of focusing on the quality of your teammates.
By giririsss Go To Postwho's everyone?Check the forums. In the first 2 pages right now, there are 5 threads talking about nerfing Genji's ult. If Blizzard continues to let mouthbreathers like this balance their game, with their god awful ideas of balancing(see the current Zen and DVa or McCree for the entirety of the game with his ups and downs) they'll just wind up with unkillable heroes and the same people will post on the forums 'OMG Support are better than every hero and can't die. I see support stacking in every game! Nerf support heroes!' because the dipshits nerfed Genji because they got killed by him. And they followed that up with a Tracer nerf because they got killed by Tracer.
I've not really heard any complaints about it.
Most people complaining about Genji complain about having one on your team.
Unrelated: https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/4wdm2v/highly_suspicious_mouse_movement_by_envyus/?st=irj6accm&sh=e60d3365
By Kibner Go To PostIf you are solo-queuing, the matchmaker tries to set you up with other solo-queuers. The luck evens out once you have played a few hundred matches. The only thing you can control in those hundreds of matches is you. So, keep a critical eye on your play and think more about how you can improve and make a bigger impact on the game instead of focusing on the quality of your teammates.
Sorry, but it's not always going to be the case that your luck evens out. Also, it's a team game and whilst you can make a big impact at certain moments, if you're teammates are rubbish compared to the opposition then that's almost always going to be decisive. And my point is that I can live with that, but that the ranking system should take that into account.
What annoys me as well is that I queue with my brother some times who's at level 65 and definitely better than me, but I'm decent enough to do well in those higher level games more often than not. But the ranking system in its current state makes it almost impossible for me to get near his rank.
Sorry, but it is the case that your luck will even out over hundreds of games. Or you are the one in a literal trillion exception.
Also, your placement matches don't rely on your W/L as much as normal matches. There are people who've gone 4-6 and been ranked in the 50s and 8-2 and ranked in the 40s.
DVa seems like a guaranteed card at the end of a match every match now because of her damage, her buffed ult and how her second life works with her getting a kill streak card.
And I know I'm not just running into nonstop god tier DVas in quick play.
And I know I'm not just running into nonstop god tier DVas in quick play.
By Kibner Go To PostAlso, your placement matches don't rely on your W/L as much as normal matches. There are people who've gone 4-6 and been ranked in the 50s and 8-2 and ranked in the 40s.
They do, it just depends on who you win or lose against. Let's agree to disagree on the luck aspect
By data Go To PostDVa seems like a guaranteed card at the end of a match every match now because of her damage, her buffed ult and how her second life works with her getting a kill streak card.
And I know I'm not just running into nonstop god tier DVas in quick play.
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I've played A LOT of D.va (outside of support she's my most played)
Not guaranteed card, but the amount of games i play where i'm top in all 3 of kills/damage / time on point or the like is disgusting
Not for D.Va. But for ever DPS class i play with. how most of you aren't flanking also i have NFI.
By Bungie Go To PostSorry, but it's not always going to be the case that your luck evens out. Also, it's a team game and whilst you can make a big impact at certain moments, if you're teammates are rubbish compared to the opposition then that's almost always going to be decisive. And my point is that I can live with that, but that the ranking system should take that into account.
What annoys me as well is that I queue with my brother some times who's at level 65 and definitely better than me, but I'm decent enough to do well in those higher level games more often than not. But the ranking system in its current state makes it almost impossible for me to get near his rank.
Point 1. the ranking system has been adjusted (and is being adjusted further) for individual play. Not just w/l. Which is how it feels now. Losing is WAY too much of a penalty. It feels like at the moment you can win 3 close games, and lose one stomp. And be further behind than when you started 4 games ago.
It IS currently better now than where it was a few weeks ago.
Not saying by any measure it's close to perfect. But they're starting to adjust for individual performance and the like.
Ranking systems like this are really hard though for team based games. I don't envy the devs.
They really need to either remove the cooldown from Sym's turrets or cut it in half.
People joke about Torbjorn's turret but Symmetra's Teleporter is more important than Symmetra. Character only works well on about maps on defense. No one falls for the M1 anymore, Reinhardt doesn't fall for the M2 and the sentries are easily dealt with once they've been discovered.
People joke about Torbjorn's turret but Symmetra's Teleporter is more important than Symmetra. Character only works well on about maps on defense. No one falls for the M1 anymore, Reinhardt doesn't fall for the M2 and the sentries are easily dealt with once they've been discovered.
I think it's fine. Best thing they could do for her is to increase her health to give her more ability to survive pushing on offense. She does a shitton of damage in the right situation. She'll never be a pro pick but she has utility in some competitive matches.
Symm is in a funny place. If she's close and you've got no mobility (stuffs on cool down), she takes down a lot of tanks. And quickly.
But outside of that specific circumstance ... yeah. She's a bit rough. The teleporter is super important on given maps / points. The turrets can do a ton of damage if people ignore them (why you would i have no idea. they're one shot kills).
I think her M2 (the orb) needs a rework. I Don't see it doing much damage most of the time. Its very slow and easy enough to dodge.
But outside of that specific circumstance ... yeah. She's a bit rough. The teleporter is super important on given maps / points. The turrets can do a ton of damage if people ignore them (why you would i have no idea. they're one shot kills).
I think her M2 (the orb) needs a rework. I Don't see it doing much damage most of the time. Its very slow and easy enough to dodge.
quit my first ever competitive match--results be damned
From jump somebody wanted to play Widow on Ilios and we were like bruh...pls no. And of course he got rekt. Some dude got salty and went torb on attack because fuck it. I said you know what fuck this shit.
From jump somebody wanted to play Widow on Ilios and we were like bruh...pls no. And of course he got rekt. Some dude got salty and went torb on attack because fuck it. I said you know what fuck this shit.
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostI think it's fine. Best thing they could do for her is to increase her health to give her more ability to survive pushing on offense. She does a shitton of damage in the right situation. She'll never be a pro pick but she has utility in some competitive matches.
literally all they have to do is increase her orb speed. they can play around with the sentries all they want but they're in a good place right now (maybe let her stock up to 6 at once, keep cooldown the same).
symm is never going to be useful on anything other than defense.
Had a Mercy that didn't heal at all for 2 games. Just dps'd.
With the pistol.
I hope he gets burning dick disease.
With the pistol.
I hope he gets burning dick disease.
DVA's pistol when she ejects needs nerfing. She's such a strong character now that she shouldn't be able to gun down an extra 50+ HP from you after the fact.
I found a group of friends to play with regularly. I can't imagine playing soloQ any more. Ugh. Can't stand people who want 4 flanks and no heal, it's fucking awful.
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostDVA's pistol when she ejects needs nerfing. She's such a strong character now that she shouldn't be able to gun down an extra 50+ HP from you after the fact.There is no better feeling than piecing up a mccree in a fair one.
By Gabyskra Go To PostI found a group of friends to play with regularly. I can't imagine playing soloQ any more. Ugh. Can't stand people who want 4 flanks and no heal, it's fucking awful.
need to find some kind of LFG site...because I can't do solo q anymore
Overwatch is the worst for pugs, at least in something like Destiny you have dailies, rep, rewards, etc for your troubles.
Yep... hanzo and widowmaker definitely seem like the worst offenders in my experience for sheer stupidity.
because if a sniper isn't really good, they have absolutely no impact on the match at all, which is a severe detriment to their team. basically 5v6. snipers are the highest skill gap heroes in the game.
Genjis should be up there too. I usually at least only run into one widow at a time. I've had games with two useless genjis, ugh.
My biggest problem is map awareness and usefulness. Widow / Hanzo / Genji aren't "pick every time" heroes. There are some maps / lineups you're good against There are some that just completely counter you make you useless.
On illios... widow is basically useless apart from one of the 3 arena's. And even that third one~~~~ you're stretching it. You pick Widow on all 3 and i assume you're a moron.
Hanzo you can get away with on 2 of them. But ~~~~ it's a stretch.
And that's they way those maps were designed. They were designed to bring the fighting very close in arena style.
You're better off as tracer.
Far better off.
Not to mention if you can't hit several of the known "trick" shots then you're becoming even more useless.
On illios... widow is basically useless apart from one of the 3 arena's. And even that third one~~~~ you're stretching it. You pick Widow on all 3 and i assume you're a moron.
Hanzo you can get away with on 2 of them. But ~~~~ it's a stretch.
And that's they way those maps were designed. They were designed to bring the fighting very close in arena style.
You're better off as tracer.
Far better off.
Not to mention if you can't hit several of the known "trick" shots then you're becoming even more useless.
I can't imagine people playing on console with snipers. Must be maddening.
Most console games have aim assist built in. Sort of expands the hit areas.
I hope people continuing to think the worse of Hanzo players. It makes killing people with him much easier.
I hope people continuing to think the worse of Hanzo players. It makes killing people with him much easier.
I have no problem with Hanzo's.
He's jut not an auto pick on every map.
I am very polite in game, and I always stay positive. I also think everyone should try to have fun, that's what matters.
But allow me to not be for one second.
People who pick Symmetra, Hanzo, Widow, Torbjorn, considering there's little communication in random matches? People who look at the roster and decide to pick a 5th player that's neither a tank nor a heal, when you don't have either yet? What is going through your mind. It's the same kind of people who will complain about others during the game, because their Ult worked on a couple people, and they think it must mean they're carrying the team.
I mean, the hierarchy of characters you can play as is very defined at this stage of the game. The meta-game decides so much of the outcome. I want more parity, etc, but some characters are just too strong. Don't run a junkrat/torbjorn/hanzo kind of lineup.
Like in CS:go, you don't go around buying M249s. If you're the best player in the world, sure. But there's a reason why some practices are not accepted.
But allow me to not be for one second.
People who pick Symmetra, Hanzo, Widow, Torbjorn, considering there's little communication in random matches? People who look at the roster and decide to pick a 5th player that's neither a tank nor a heal, when you don't have either yet? What is going through your mind. It's the same kind of people who will complain about others during the game, because their Ult worked on a couple people, and they think it must mean they're carrying the team.
I mean, the hierarchy of characters you can play as is very defined at this stage of the game. The meta-game decides so much of the outcome. I want more parity, etc, but some characters are just too strong. Don't run a junkrat/torbjorn/hanzo kind of lineup.
Like in CS:go, you don't go around buying M249s. If you're the best player in the world, sure. But there's a reason why some practices are not accepted.
I play Handzo 100% of the time. I'm only any good as him. Picking someone else makes me a net negative for a team TBH.
I ain't playing heals. I might do a tank like rein but pfft. Most likely just gonna roll with reaper or soldier because console players are pretty shite and I just want to stay as sane as possible.
i play every class archetype, about 7 characters regularly. so I'm usually the one acquiescing to other people's stubborn choices.
there is no point complaining about solo queuing, lol. people are gonna lock in on the one or two toons they know, even if they're playing them terribly. your only salvation is queuing in a premade. Because even if you have a dude playing hanzo in literally every situation, the rest of the team can make things work with communication and synergy.
my main is symmetra, but I will literally only get to play her if I'm in a premade with both a person who likes to tank and a person who likes to play healer. just how the game goes.
there is no point complaining about solo queuing, lol. people are gonna lock in on the one or two toons they know, even if they're playing them terribly. your only salvation is queuing in a premade. Because even if you have a dude playing hanzo in literally every situation, the rest of the team can make things work with communication and synergy.
my main is symmetra, but I will literally only get to play her if I'm in a premade with both a person who likes to tank and a person who likes to play healer. just how the game goes.
By Trey Go To Postthere is no point complaining about solo queuing, lol. people are gonna lock in on the one or two toons they know, even if they're playing them terribly. your only salvation is queuing in a premade. Because even if you have a dude playing hanzo in literally every situation, the rest of the team can make things work with communication and synergy.Nah, that's BS. You're literally saying someone is free to be stubborn and not cooperate in a game that's all about cooperation. And it's not just one usually. When you soloQ a game like CS, people play roles, some play open fragger, another is the designated awper, etc. It's frustrating too and you have your share of trolls and racists etc, but overall, people are more team-oriented than they are in Overwatch. The selfishness in Overwatch is incredible. I don't remember TF well enough to compare.
People go afk during a competitive match that lasts only 15 minutes. I've just played against a team that had no healer at all. It's ridiculous.
Also, I think ranks are fucked. There are some people rated 60 who really are not worth that much.
Honestly MM in most scenarios unless you're rolling with a premade is less competition between the best players and more who has more scrubs. I'm actually starting to miss Halo MM a bit, as shit as rolling into premades were at least team mates/ranks made way more sense. If you were in mid to high 30s so were your randoms and team mates weren't stupid.
By Gabyskra Go To PostNah, that's BS. You're literally saying someone is free to be stubborn and not cooperate in a game that's all about cooperation. And it's not just one usually. When you soloQ a game like CS, people play roles, some play open fragger, another is the designated awper, etc. It's frustrating too and you have your share of trolls and racists etc, but overall, people are more team-oriented than they are in Overwatch. The selfishness in Overwatch is incredible. I don't remember TF well enough to compare.
People go afk during a competitive match that lasts only 15 minutes. I've just played against a team that had no healer at all. It's ridiculous.
Also, I think ranks are fucked. There are some people rated 60 who really are not worth that much.
I'm saying the nature of this game where who you play is almost as important as how well you play, solo queuing and expecting full cooperation is an exercise in futility. The only way to get what you're asking is queuing with a full team.
By Trey Go To PostI'm saying the nature of this game where who you play is almost as important as how well you play, solo queuing and expecting full cooperation is an exercise in futility. The only way to get what you're asking is queuing with a full team.
Those sorts of responses are so short sighted and are a great example of what allows poor game knowledge to persist.
Yes and no. Mainly no. If your team doesn't have a tank you're going to get rolled if the other team does.
If your team doesn't have a healer you're more likely to lose to a team with one.
Playing the meta isn't about "the only way to win". You CAN win without playing the meta. You're just far more like to lose if you're not playing the meta, and far more likely to win if you are playing the meta.
By Gabyskra Go To PostPeople who look at the roster and decide to pick a 5th player that's neither a tank nor a heal, when you don't have either yet? What is going through your mind.Numerous things go through my head.
For starters I suck with tanks, we're literally better off with another class as opposed to me picking a tank. Secondly this isn't first come first serve. I don't give a shit if you rushed to pick Genji and Hanzo. I'm not playing support every game because the hero select screen is "Who can pick their waifu/husbando the quickest"
Also if the 5th guy is picking and you don't have a tank or a healer, you really shouldn't be complaining about team comps. Those in-game notifications are the worst thing to happen because it's led people to believe one tank is good enough, or Ana only support is viable.
By Moris Go To PostI play Handzo 100% of the time. I'm only any good as him. Picking someone else makes me a net negative for a team TBH.
You wouldn't even know if you're good as anyone else. Last time we played you had like 60 out of 70 hours into Hanzo, and then like 4 into Widow lol
By Rob Go To PostNumerous things go through my head.
For starters I suck with tanks, we're literally better off with another class as opposed to me picking a tank. Secondly this isn't first come first serve. I don't give a shit if you rushed to pick Genji and Hanzo. I'm not playing support every game because the hero select screen is "Who can pick their waifu/husbando the quickest"
Also if the 5th guy is picking and you don't have a tank or a healer, you really shouldn't be complaining about team comps. Those in-game notifications are the worst thing to happen because it's led people to believe one tank is good enough, or Ana only support is viable.
You wouldn't even know if you're good as anyone else. Last time we played you had like 60 out of 70 hours into Hanzo, and then like 4 into Widow lol
The rest is ~~~ but that part is just inaccurate, or you're purposefully staying bad at them.
Tank just isn't for me, it never has been in any game with a tank role.
I'm okay with Zarya but that's about it. Trust me, I've tried. I think 3 of my top 5 characters played are tanks. Reinhardt and Roadhog were my #2 and #3.
I'm okay with Zarya but that's about it. Trust me, I've tried. I think 3 of my top 5 characters played are tanks. Reinhardt and Roadhog were my #2 and #3.
You're just wrong, and you're toxic. "I'm not playing support every time"? More like, you just never play it.
Picking 5th, and choosing a 5th flanker/DPS? Genji/Hanzo? Please, play another game.
The notion that you're good at a class but bad at others is silly after a while. Game sense carries over different roles to a large extent. Your own positioning should be dependent on the positioning of your teammates (but sadly, some people just run at the enemy without regrouping ever). Anyone who has gone past the first fifty levels of exp should pretty much be able to play anything at a decent level.
It's like playing CS:go and refusing to learn the AK, or NBA 2k and refusing to learn outside shooting.
People who play Genji all the time are the same as the 2k players who go for dunks every time, except they actually hurt their teammates, not just themselves.
Hell, it's like playing basketball and refusing to play the right way. "I don't want to play the meta" is the new "i don't pass the ball".
Just show good will, even if you're bad, it's alright.
Picking 5th, and choosing a 5th flanker/DPS? Genji/Hanzo? Please, play another game.
The notion that you're good at a class but bad at others is silly after a while. Game sense carries over different roles to a large extent. Your own positioning should be dependent on the positioning of your teammates (but sadly, some people just run at the enemy without regrouping ever). Anyone who has gone past the first fifty levels of exp should pretty much be able to play anything at a decent level.
It's like playing CS:go and refusing to learn the AK, or NBA 2k and refusing to learn outside shooting.
People who play Genji all the time are the same as the 2k players who go for dunks every time, except they actually hurt their teammates, not just themselves.
Hell, it's like playing basketball and refusing to play the right way. "I don't want to play the meta" is the new "i don't pass the ball".
Just show good will, even if you're bad, it's alright.
Eh ~~~~ I'm just not good with Reaper / McCree (learn these guys if you want to DPS please, more useful in 90% of situations than the other niche picks). I can DPS as D.Va just fine though. I'm good with Pharah but... she should just get slaughtered in the current meta.
So i get it. You're just not good at some heroes. That's fine. But that's not an excuse to pick torb on offense, you have to play a sniper or the like. You should be able to play one hero from every sub-class. (And you should learn to be decent with lucio / mercy as support your default support).
Positioning is very different based on role though. And you can only get that by playing each of those classes in different roles on different maps. And you really do need to change your thinking based on the role you're playing. But you'll be doing that based on the other teams comp anwyay, so it's something you should be learning to do on the fly.
But yeah, by the time you're level 50 you should have a solid grasp on one hero's positioning in each role.
I enjoy playing healers. Not all the time, but it's enjoyable to me because I prioritise winning over getting kills. I don't expect, when I tank / off support / dps, that the lucio i play with knows all the wall runs, how to time your sound barriers, and that you're probably just not as good at keeping as many people in line of sight. But you should know how to use him.
So i get it. You're just not good at some heroes. That's fine. But that's not an excuse to pick torb on offense, you have to play a sniper or the like. You should be able to play one hero from every sub-class. (And you should learn to be decent with lucio / mercy as support your default support).
Positioning is very different based on role though. And you can only get that by playing each of those classes in different roles on different maps. And you really do need to change your thinking based on the role you're playing. But you'll be doing that based on the other teams comp anwyay, so it's something you should be learning to do on the fly.
But yeah, by the time you're level 50 you should have a solid grasp on one hero's positioning in each role.
I enjoy playing healers. Not all the time, but it's enjoyable to me because I prioritise winning over getting kills. I don't expect, when I tank / off support / dps, that the lucio i play with knows all the wall runs, how to time your sound barriers, and that you're probably just not as good at keeping as many people in line of sight. But you should know how to use him.
By giririsss Go To PostThose sorts of responses are so short sighted and are a great example of what allows poor game knowledge to persist.
I'm not seeing where I'm wrong.