Cant be mad at the move, let him coach while we tank and rebuild. He let booker run the team anf flourish so he can develop the young talent without worrying about his record like karl or even hornacek
Knicks can only wish Phil Jackson handled coaching search like Nets' Sean Marks
Rookie general manager Sean Marks went all Spurs on us, secretly interviewing and hiring the highly respected lead assistant coach of the Hawks, Kenny Atkinson, without letting anyone in on his first major move.
Somebody wised up over at the Barclays Center because the Nets are now going about their business as they should have first done when they came from Newark, even if they wanted to fit in with Brooklyn’s hipsters. As one Eastern Conference executive confessed of the Atkinson hire, “I heard that Kenny was going to get a job and be the first assistant coach hired, but I hadn’t heard Brooklyn, specifically.”
As opposed to Marks’ secret play for Atkinson, all of New York knows that Jackson’s top choice is his trusted lieutenant Kurt Rambis, who took over for Fisher for the final 28 games of the season and lost 19 times. That dropped his all-time coaching record to 99 games below .500, something that Jackson won’t be able to sell to Carmelo Anthony, or scores of Knicks fans who are clamoring for the former Knicks assistant, Tom Thibodeau.
By contrast, Marks has a much-easier sales job with another former Knicks assistant, Atkinson, a Long Island product who knows the value of hard work. He came out of Richmond 25 years ago and tried out for Pat Riley’s Knicks summer league team. He didn’t make it, so he went overseas for the majority of his 14-year pro career. An assistant with Mike D’Antoni and Budenholzer, he’s now working 35 miles from his hometown.
“The Nets need the kind of energy and passion that Kenny brings to create a new culture,” the executive said. “They’ve hired a guy whose greatest strength is player development. It’s also a great hire from the standpoint that people from outside New York don’t get how important it is that someone shares the sensibilities of the fan base, the media and culture of the city.”
We don’t know if Jackson will ever figure that out. But there is hope for New York basketball once you consider that Sean Marks, out of Auckland, New Zealand, has been in town for only the last 60 days.
By rodeoclown Go To PostBut the Nets still kept Lopez and Young when they desperately need draft picks.There's no reason we can't trade them in the off-season if Marks is inclined to do so. If we're not going to be in control of our own draft picks maybe he'll want to treadmill a few years while maximizing future flexibility.
Woj:
Sacramento has interest in meeting with former Houston Rockets coach Kevin McHale, but it is unclear whether McHale will decide to meet with Kings officials, league sources said.
"I look at it from a business perspective," he says. "I would have made the same call. If you're going to bet, you got to bet on the horse that you know is obsessive about what they do, day in and day out, and is going to be hell bent on trying to win a championship. If you're going to bet on a horse, you always bet on the one that eats, sleeps and breathes the craft."
Just a few weeks earlier, Kobe and O'Neal were hugging each other at the All-Star Game in Toronto. They've become friendlier in recent years, but Kobe doesn't shy away from stinging him again.
"Of course he chose me," he adds. "That's the right decision to make."
So why are we here now, without cameras or boom microphones or security guards, reliving his story?
Is he here to explain himself?
"I always thought people were too stupid to really understand," he says.
For instance, Kobe hasn't spoken to his parents in nearly three years. Not since 2013, when they tried to auction off his high school memorabilia without his consent.http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/15232286/former-lakers-star-kobe-bryant-left-nba-just-getting-started
"Our relationship is shit," he says. "I say [to them], 'I'm going to buy you a very nice home, and the response is 'That's not good enough'?" he says. "Then you're selling my shit?"
His parents issued a statement after lawyers worked out a settlement allowing them to auction six items of memorabilia totaling $500,000, "We regret our actions and statements related to the Kobe Bryant auction memorabilia," the statement from Joe and Pamela Bryant read. "We apologize for any misunderstanding and unintended pain we may have caused our son and appreciate the financial support that he has provided to us over the years."
Brook Lopez is good this season. I would trade him only knowing the Nets get something as good as Bropez or younger for the team. Someone who can be a 20 and 10 player.
Since you have no draft picks I assume the best thing to do is draw them into playing in Brooklyn New York as a better alternative to the Knicks. If it is a better alternative.
Since you have no draft picks I assume the best thing to do is draw them into playing in Brooklyn New York as a better alternative to the Knicks. If it is a better alternative.
You want to acquire a young 20-10 player for your often injured big man with a $20mil/yr that has finally had two healthy consecutive seasons? Tell me more.
By reilo Go To PostYou want to acquire a young 20-10 player for your often injured big man with a $20mil/yr that has finally had two healthy consecutive seasons? Tell me more.
I don't know shit Bropez looked good this season and if he can stay healthy you can find a good asset for him.
I mean the team treated him like shit and he still resigned with the Nets.
With this new coach, you don't get a player who is currently 20-10, but one Atkins thinks can be a 20-10 player and make him into one. You have no draft picks for the immediate future.
Your young players aren't really that talented unless they blow up out of nowhere. The only allure you have is Brooklyn > New York, maybe if that is even remotely true, and being able to flip whatever players you have for some project the coach thinks is good for the foreseeable future.
By Kabro Go To PostYoure a special kind of fan moris cuz I can't stomach another year of tanking and Byron.
By Fenderputty Go To PostIf we keep our pick I really don't want to tank or root for a tank next year. We'll have to be bottom three again to have a decent chance at retaining it. At some point I would like to start seeing a system in place and rookie development to root for.
If we don't keep our pick …. tank tank away I guess. Though it will still kill me. I fucking hate this shit.
It's not preferable but it's not the worst to let the young guys try and pull themselves together while you collect picks, the uncertainty of keeping the picks worries me but most young guys take 2-3 years to start winning, I'm ok with that timetable.
The summer before, he had reached out to a filmmaker named Gotham Chopra and asked whether he'd be interested in working with him on a documentary for Showtime.
"His assistant calls and invites me to breakfast down in Newport Beach on Aug. 22," Chopra said. "And I'm like, 'Shit, that's my wife's birthday. I can't.' She's like, 'No problem. He can meet you tomorrow night for dinner if you're free. And, by the way, it's his birthday.'"
It wasn't ideal for a first meeting to take place at a birthday party. But you don't turn down an opportunity like this. So Chopra shows up to the Chateau Marmont in Hollywood early, hoping to get more than a few minutes with Kobe before the party gets going. But when he gets to the hotel restaurant, there's no party. There's just a small table in the back for the two of them.
Highlights the difference between Kobe and everyone else imo.
Birthdays come and go, but mediocre sports documentaries exist forever.
By diehard Go To Postsomeone who can be a 20-10 player isn't a good asset, its a fantastically great asset.Yup. 15-5 is a good asset. 20-10 is almost always All-Star level.
By Moris Go To PostIt's not preferable but it's not the worst to let the young guys try and pull themselves together while you collect picks, the uncertainty of keeping the picks worries me but most young guys take 2-3 years to start winning, I'm ok with that timetable.
It's the rooting part that kills me. If we keep our pick I don't want to actively root for a tank. If we suck regardless or luck into the pick cool, but I don't want to get upset that our young guys pulled off a win.
By reilo Go To Posthttp://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/15232286/former-lakers-star-kobe-bryant-left-nba-just-getting-started
Kobe has been giving advice to everyone during his farewell tour. He'll write messages on shoes to any player with the balls to ask him. After games, he'll invite players to the training room and dole out advice while he's soaking his feet in a bucket of ice water. It took over an hour for him to meet everyone after the Lakers' final game in Phoenix last month. A bunch of baseball players in town for spring training came to see him. Players from the Arizona Cardinals showed up. Then some of the Suns made their way over. In all, Kobe did about 80 meet-and-greets. Guys like Mike Trout and Larry Fitzgerald all waited their turn like little kids in line at the mall to meet Santa Claus.
HAHA ... cool read ... I'll have to get to the rest later.
By rodeoclown Go To PostEven if the Suns had gotten a different coach, wasn't the next guy getting hired to be fired anyway? The front office has a lot of work to do getting a decent roster together.
It's a lame duck hire.
His rotations were bad, minutes maangement was bad, no real development that i could see. The morris thing is pure fuckery, he played hard after he got Hornacek fired cause the suns were going to perma bench him.
So Watson is there while the rookies get minutes, and they try to find an actual head coach. Which is a horrendous plan, cause it speaks of having no actual plan.
By shun Go To PostBrook Lopez is good this season. I would trade him only knowing the Nets get something as good as Bropez or younger for the team. Someone who can be a 20 and 10 player.
Since you have no draft picks I assume the best thing to do is draw them into playing in Brooklyn New York as a better alternative to the Knicks. If it is a better alternative.
Brookes nice. But injury history, salary, and play style basically means he's a here and now player not a future player. getting assets back for guys like that is very very dificult, particularly when he has to fit a certain play style, he's not super adaptable.
By Kibner Go To PostKings, Warriors, Celtics, Rockets, Pistons. At least ten teams, according to George Karl when he visited in March.Ah, going over tape it seemed with Karl..
By Kibner Go To PostYup. 15-5 is a good asset. 20-10 is almost always All-Star level.
By diehard Go To Postsomeone who can be a 20-10 player isn't a good asset, its a fantastically great asset.Kanter
By Fenderputty Go To PostIt's the rooting part that kills me. If we keep our pick I don't want to actively root for a tank. If we suck regardless or luck into the pick cool, but I don't want to get upset that our young guys pulled off a win.You ignore wins. Just chalk up whatever happens with lottery balls to karma.
Root for entertaining basketball and individual player development. Extend that to coaching philosophies and methods. too. Hopefully you won't have Byron much longer. I know that pain all too well.
By P S Y C H Go To PostKanterExceptions to every rule. :v
By blackace Go To PostKings are talking to Mike Woodson it appears…Their list so far is Mike Woodson, Vinny Del Negro, and Kevin McHale and McFail might not even want the job.
That's a true nightmare.
By Forever Go To PostTheir list so far is Mike Woodson, Vinny Del Negro, and Kevin McHale and McFail might not even want the job.lol damn
That's a true nightmare.
Basically every coach ever has been attached to the Kings... Brooks, Mac-10, Blatt, Walton, Horny and a few more have been talked about as well
By blackace Go To PostBasically every coach ever has been attached to the Kings… Brooks, Mac-10, Blatt, Walton, Horny and a few more have been talked about as wellAnd Brooks is the best name on that list.
We should discuss who will be the Kings next coach. You know the one i mean after this upcoming year.
By giririsss Go To PostAnd Brooks is the best name on that list.I very much disagree with this. Blatt could be very good if he approached an NBA team like he did an overseas team.. and not acquiesce to a superstar.
By diehard Go To PostWe should discuss who will be the Kings next coach. You know the one i mean after this upcoming year.I hear earl watson will be a free agent.
By blackace Go To PostBasically every coach ever has been attached to the Kings… Brooks, Mac-10, Blatt, Walton, Horny and a few more have been talked about as well
By blackace Go To PostBrooks is a bad coach…But look at that list and he's the best bet.
Mac-10: is too scary given the Karl scenario that just played out.
Walton: isn't happening
Horny: can't come into that locker room given how he was just fired in PHX. I think he'd be good, but it's too soon and too loose there.
Blatt: would be interesting but could really be another guy who is fired by the ASG. I think Blatt needs a strong FO behind him that is going to back him over the players. And persist with him so he can build a culture and team. Not sure the Kings are in that position. Could be! but ....
McHail: would be bad. He's good at getting the players involved, but he seems to have a disconnect with FO's, isn't great at developing anything other than Bigs, stubborn with line ups, and his offences are rudimentary.
Brooks is a good FO man. Good at discipline. Good at Culture. Good at development. Bad at in game management and offence.
The Kings need stability and to stop the rot. If they could just get stable, and focus on basketball, they'd make the play offs. They may be first round fodder for a year or so, but that's better than the last decade.
I dunno, Brooks to me makes more sense than any of the other names mentioned.
By Forever Go To PostOr they could go back in time and not fire Mike Malone.Oh. I mean, that's the stupidest thing they've done in years. All because he wouldn't do some stupid 4 v 5 cherry picking shit. Lawd.
By diehard Go To PostWe should discuss who will be the Kings next coach. You know the one i mean after this upcoming year
Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
ESPN sources say Mark Jackson, Vinny Del Negro and Sam Mitchell will get the first three interviews for Sacramento's vacant coaching job.
lol
Marc Steinfucking yikes
ESPN Senior Writer
ESPN sources say Mark Jackson, Vinny Del Negro and Sam Mitchell will get the first three interviews for Sacramento's vacant coaching job.
By giririsss Go To PostOh. I mean, that's the stupidest thing they've done in years. All because he wouldn't do some stupid 4 v 5 cherry picking shit. Lawd.It was less that and more the former GM and Chris Mullins fucking around with Vivek because Mike can be a bit prickly, from what I understand. Telling Ranadive that Tyrone Corbin is just as good as Malone, if not better.
am i crazy for not wanting Derozan on the Lakers?
my dude at work also a Laker fa and he thing we should give him a max and make him the face of the franchise
my dude at work also a Laker fa and he thing we should give him a max and make him the face of the franchise
By domino Go To Postam i crazy for not wanting Derozan on the Lakers?It would have been a decent idea to do that if the league hadn't started moving away from his style of play a few years ago.
my dude at work also a Laker fa and he thing we should give him a max and make him the face of the franchise
By giririsss Go To PostBut look at that list and he's the best bet.never understood your Mac10 is out of touch narrative considering he is coaching now in the playoffs and works with Team USA
Mac-10: is too scary given the Karl scenario that just played out.
Walton: isn't happening
Horny: can't come into that locker room given how he was just fired in PHX. I think he'd be good, but it's too soon and too loose there.
Blatt: would be interesting but could really be another guy who is fired by the ASG. I think Blatt needs a strong FO behind him that is going to back him over the players. And persist with him so he can build a culture and team. Not sure the Kings are in that position. Could be! but ….
McHail: would be bad. He's good at getting the players involved, but he seems to have a disconnect with FO's, isn't great at developing anything other than Bigs, stubborn with line ups, and his offences are rudimentary.
Brooks is a good FO man. Good at discipline. Good at Culture. Good at development. Bad at in game management and offence.
The Kings need stability and to stop the rot. If they could just get stable, and focus on basketball, they'd make the play offs. They may be first round fodder for a year or so, but that's better than the last decade.
I dunno, Brooks to me makes more sense than any of the other names mentioned.
By blackace Go To Postnever understood your Mac10 is out of touch narrative considering he is coaching now in the playoffs and works with Team USAMonty Williams has those same things going for him (or would have if he hadn't take a leave due to his wife's passing) and no one is really putting his name out there.
By Kibner Go To PostMonty Williams has those same things going for him (or would have if he hadn't take a leave due to his wife's passing) and no one is really putting his name out there.Monty and Mac both don't want horrible jobs from what I have heard... But both are great with young players
By blackace Go To Postnever understood your Mac10 is out of touch narrative considering he is coaching now in the playoffs and works with Team USAHuge difference being an assistant vs head coach.
Mac just hasn't been under that pressure for a long time. Don't think the Kings can afford to experiment with him to find out.
By giririsss Go To PostHuge difference being an assistant vs head coach.Kings is one of the least pressured job in the NBA.... can't be worse than 6 of the last 7 coaches.
Mac just hasn't been under that pressure for a long time. Don't think the Kings can afford to experiment with him to find out.
Personally I don't want him there. And 4 years is hardly a lifetime away from the HC position...
By domino Go To Postam i crazy for not wanting Derozan on the Lakers?tell your coworker to stop posting in LG.
my dude at work also a Laker fa and he thing we should give him a max and make him the face of the franchise
i hear so many people over there commenting on how he's worth the max.
he will absolutely get the max.
i swear 4 out of every 5 players that get laughed at for getting the max actually end up "deserving" it.
i swear 4 out of every 5 players that get laughed at for getting the max actually end up "deserving" it.
Derozan 'deserves' the max, I don't want the lakers to be the ones giving it to him unless there's another player coming with him like Al Horford. 10th seed or tank.
By diehard Go To Posti dont know how you can handle 3 years of tankingImagine 3 years of tanking only to hand over all the accumulated assets to the Coangelos.
By diehard Go To Posti dont know how you can handle 3 years of tanking
Last year when Randle got hurt was the worst, Clarkson didn't emerge til later in the season and the team was just without any redeeming quality.
Watching Randle Nance Clarkson and Russ try to figure out the NBA was entertaining albeit consistently frustrating.
I'd like for this to be the year that we add vets and try to work on the culture of the team rather than tank, but we'll see how the lotto and free agency goes.
By reilo Go To Posthttp://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/15232286/former-lakers-star-kobe-bryant-left-nba-just-getting-started
Thanks for the link, reading through this now.
edit: Lol damn Kobe is a freaking beast.
Stories about Kobe's supernatural work ethic and pain tolerance are told like legends. Clippers forward Blake Griffin heard Kobe went on a 40-mile bike ride through the desert on the night before Team USA camp began in 2012. About a year later, Griffin asked if I could find out whether it was true..
Kobe wrote back plainly, "Yea." I ask where they went and he says mysteriously, "the canyons." Why such a long bike ride? Why at night? The story gets better the less he says. "That's why I can run all day."
Griffin eats the story up. He wants to go with him next time. He loves the process, the passion, the mystery.