By blackace Go To PostWell the Lakers were rewarded for the same fuckeryNo, they weren't.
The Lakers went after free agents like LaMarcus Aldridge. They signed the 6MOY in Lou Williams. They were a crappy team as a result of circumstance, not because they intentionally tried to be terrible. There's no comparison.
It's fine for a bad team to be bad because of injuries/draft busts/trying and failing to sign FAs. It's not okay to intentionally go out to be bad.
By Fenderputty Go To PostIf Phil needs to run the triangle I hope he gets nowhere near LA
On the one hand - The triangle wouldn't work with a core of Russell/Randle/Clarkson well because none of them can play or pass out of post.
On the other, if that's our core for 5 years, we're never gonna be good with those guys anyway.
By Mamba Go To PostNo, they weren't.you guys threw this season away so kobe could have a 6 month retirement party
The Lakers went after free agents like LaMarcus Aldridge. They signed the 6MOY in Lou Williams. They were a crappy team as a result of circumstance, not because they intentionally tried to be terrible. There's no comparison.
It's fine for a bad team to be bad because of injuries/draft busts/trying and failing to sign FAs. It's not okay to intentionally go out to be bad.
By Rob Go To Postyou guys threw this season away so kobe could have a 6 month retirement partynaw, in Byron's infinite "man up" wisdom, he benched our rooks to be competitive.
and then realized 1-month left in the season that we're hot basura.
By Mamba Go To PostNo, they weren't.
The Lakers went after free agents like LaMarcus Aldridge. They signed the 6MOY in Lou Williams. They were a crappy team as a result of circumstance, not because they intentionally tried to be terrible. There's no comparison.
It's fine for a bad team to be bad because of injuries/draft busts/trying and failing to sign FAs. It's not okay to intentionally go out to be bad.
By Mamba Go To PostNo, they weren't.
The Lakers went after free agents like LaMarcus Aldridge. They signed the 6MOY in Lou Williams. They were a crappy team as a result of circumstance, not because they intentionally tried to be terrible. There's no comparison.
It's fine for a bad team to be bad because of injuries/draft busts/trying and failing to sign FAs. It's not okay to intentionally go out to be bad.
rofl... they started the tank as soon as LMA said no. There is no way you could believe they were trying to win games last season
The implication that we intentionally tanked is giving jim buss too much credit. It also ignores his self imposed timeline. I realize the temptation to troll BM is probably to great for you all though.
Well we added a pick so our core will change. We will also have two seasons of FA, trades and Luke doing his thing. I have no desire to shake that up so Phil can be rigid and blow everything up.
By 3SidedPolygons Go To PostOn the one hand - The triangle wouldn't work with a core of Russell/Randle/Clarkson well because none of them can play or pass out of post.
On the other, if that's our core for 5 years, we're never gonna be good with those guys anyway.
Well we added a pick so our core will change. We will also have two seasons of FA, trades and Luke doing his thing. I have no desire to shake that up so Phil can be rigid and blow everything up.
By reilo Go To Post6MotY Lou Williams doe
Jim buss doe.
The previous year we got injured and tanked later in the season. The year previous to that we tanked so hard we got the 7th pick lol.
Quite a few people on this very board slotted the lakers a lot higher than they were, partly due to the Lou Williams acquisition.
IMO, the suggestion that we tried to not suck this bad but did is the worse of the two options.
Mitch is the GM and I am sure they knew that team that put together would be one of the worst and that they were trying to save their pick...
But Jim Buss tho doesn't make them any less tankers than the 6ers
But Jim Buss tho doesn't make them any less tankers than the 6ers
So people here are saying the lakers signed RoY Hibbert and did not intend to tank?
You guys got jokes
You guys got jokes
By blackace Go To Postrofl… they started the tank as soon as LMA said no. There is no way you could believe they were trying to win games last seasonThe fact that you admit they went after LMA undercuts your argument.
Name me a single starting quality player the Sixers went after last offseason.
By the time LMA went with the Spurs, there's was almost nothing left in free agency. They also tried to trade for Cousins.
But let's all pretend last offseason that the Lakers didn't go hard for LMA or that the entire month of DeMarcus to LA Lakers trade talks didn't happen.
Yeah, the Lakers totally went into the offseason trying to be the worst team possible.
Y'all have such selective memories.
Sixers traded for Ish smith, who undeniably made their team better. I don't know, doesn't really sound like a move a tanking team would make.
oh yeah, and they brought along mothafuckin Carl Landry in the summer, definitely a team that was crappy as a result of circumstance, and even then, facing possibly the worst record ever, they try to improve yet again by signing Ish Smith.
oh yeah, and they brought along mothafuckin Carl Landry in the summer, definitely a team that was crappy as a result of circumstance, and even then, facing possibly the worst record ever, they try to improve yet again by signing Ish Smith.
By Mamba Go To PostThe fact that you admit they went after LMA undercuts your argument.Actually my argument is the same... It's you moving the goalpost. It doesn't change that they purposely lost games they could have won... That is what tanking is...
Name me a single starting quality player the Sixers went after last offseason.
By the time LMA went with the Spurs, there's was almost nothing left in free agency. They also tried to trade for Cousins.
But let's all pretend last offseason that the Lakers didn't go hard for LMA or that the entire month of DeMarcus to LA Lakers trade talks didn't happen.
Yeah, the Lakers totally went into the offseason trying to be the worst team possible.
Y'all have such selective memories.
By Mamba Go To PostThe fact that you admit they went after LMA undercuts your argument.
Name me a single starting quality player the Sixers went after last offseason.
By the time LMA went with the Spurs, there's was almost nothing left in free agency. They also tried to trade for Cousins.
But let's all pretend last offseason that the Lakers didn't go hard for LMA or that the entire month of DeMarcus to LA Lakers trade talks didn't happen.
Yeah, the Lakers totally went into the offseason trying to be the worst team possible.
Y'all have such selective memories.
There was a rumour they tried.
Karl.
By blackace Go To PostActually my argument is the same… It's you moving the goalpost. It doesn't change that they purposely lost games they could have won… That is what tanking is…
What games did they purposely lose?
By Mamba Go To PostWhat games did they purposely lose?about 65 of them.
anytime you bench your best players in the 4th you tanking...
I mean Scott was pissed he got fired because he did exactly as he was told...lose them games keep that pick...
I mean Scott was pissed he got fired because he did exactly as he was told...lose them games keep that pick...
we apparently had a meeting scheduled with Jimmy Butler.
but if your argument is well we didn't tank as hard as the Sixers...it isn't a great one. Very few people tanked as hard and blatantly as we did....doesn't mean others did not tank.
but if your argument is well we didn't tank as hard as the Sixers...it isn't a great one. Very few people tanked as hard and blatantly as we did....doesn't mean others did not tank.
By blackace Go To Postanytime you bench your best players in the 4th you tanking…
I mean Scott was pissed he got fired because he did exactly as he was told…lose them games keep that pick…
Yep. They gave him two jobs lose games and keep Kobe Happy and. He did both and they still fired him for Luke with the good hair. I would be pissed too.
Putting together a crap team(while keeping a bad coach) after striking out on any good free agents counts as tanking just as much as deliberately losing games(or having your injured players sit out the entire year even if they could come back).
Woj reporting that Kris Dunn's agent is steering him away from teams with a point guard already. He's had a history of shoulder problems, but isn't giving medical records to teams like Phoenix, Boston, Minnesota.
This doesn't seem like a great strategy to me, unless you want your guy to fall to the Kings.
This doesn't seem like a great strategy to me, unless you want your guy to fall to the Kings.
'our tank is more honorable than your tank'
its become increasingly clear mamba lives in his own delusional fantasy
thank goodness for woke lakerbros like kabron and moris
its become increasingly clear mamba lives in his own delusional fantasy
thank goodness for woke lakerbros like kabron and moris
Mamba's argument is that Philly's option 1 2 and 3 was to tank. They made NO effort to improve at all.
Lakers tried every summer to get marquee FA's. They tried every year to add vets who had success around the league. They were more than happy to tank rather than sign bad players to long term contracts. But they actually had a plan A.
Lakers tried every summer to get marquee FA's. They tried every year to add vets who had success around the league. They were more than happy to tank rather than sign bad players to long term contracts. But they actually had a plan A.
By vic Go To PostRiley about to give Maxside a blank check.naw, riles is smart. You tell a knucklehead like whiteside that he's the number one priority because someone like him gets offended if you dont feed his ego.
then, you talk to durant anyhow but tell him you're feeling out the market or some bullshit. It doesn't matter as long as you get a shot at durant. but you do this to let whiteside think he's at the top of the list so that he doesn't get bothered
By Fenderputty Go To PostThe implication that we intentionally tanked is giving jim buss too much credit. It also ignores his self imposed timeline. I realize the temptation to troll BM is probably to great for you all though.
Well we added a pick so our core will change. We will also have two seasons of FA, trades and Luke doing his thing. I have no desire to shake that up so Phil can be rigid and blow everything up.
it's simple really
1) were gonna keep Clarkson and Russell
2) they're gonna start most likely
3) they can't be our best players or were fucked
4) therefore we're gonna need to drastically bolster our front court if we want a chance to contend (or move on from the core)
5) if those front court players have post skills, the triangle becomes feasible.
Maybe we get FC players like Ryan Anderson and Durant so the triangle is a bad fit. Or maybe we get guys like Blake Griffin and Vucevic - now the triangle makes more sense. No reason to blow up the core, just a question of who our 3-5 starters are moving forward.
By 3SidedPolygons Go To PostMamba's argument is that Philly's option 1 2 and 3 was to tank. They made NO effort to improve at all.
Lakers tried every summer to get marquee FA's. They tried every year to add vets who had success around the league. They were more than happy to tank rather than sign bad players to long term contracts. But they actually had a plan A.
again I don't think anyone will argue that we didn't tank with all of our soul.
The Lakers still tanked tho. You can say you wish we didn't get rewarded for tanking, when your team of choice also tanked. Just because you failed at trying to win beforehand...doesn't change the end result of tanking. At the end of the day both teams ended up with the same basic premise; lets take this season off for better lottery odds. Just because we did it like crack fiends doesn't absolve the Lakers are the same apparent sin. Eventually intent doesn't matter that much.
vogel and orl talking contract deets today
memphis impressed the most by borrego? uhhh, he looked pretty hapless in his interim stint here. pretty huge downgrade from joerger, i guess they're gonna blow it up if he's the pick.
memphis impressed the most by borrego? uhhh, he looked pretty hapless in his interim stint here. pretty huge downgrade from joerger, i guess they're gonna blow it up if he's the pick.
In hindsight pretty sure Vogel and Blatt were waiting on Phil to make up his mind.
Also lol
http://imgur.com/MKANuKD
I can't post images on my phone
Also lol
http://imgur.com/MKANuKD
I can't post images on my phone
By 33MillionDollarMen Go To PostHornaceck was in that Jazz lineup that looked like old ass men.he looks younger now than when he played
Howard was asked to specify what he was referring to.
"I felt like my role was being reduced. I went to [Rockets general manager] Daryl [Morey] and said, 'I want to be more involved.' Daryl said, 'No, we don't want you to be.' My response was, 'Why not? Why am I here?' It was shocking to me that it came from him instead of our coach. So I said to him, 'No disrespect to what you do, but you've never played the game. I've been in this game a long time. I know what it takes to be effective.'''
By Moris Go To PostBut is Morey wrong?Not really, especially when Howard thinks being "more involved" is him posting up and not running the pick and roll.
By Moris Go To PostBut is Morey wrong?Yes because being more involved in the offense doesn't mean just isolating and having the ball dumped to you. What Dwight probably means is that he's more useful to the team offensively than just some Joel Przybilla or Theo Ratliff type where he's asked to set screens for Harden, move out of the paint when he's driving and go after offensive rebounds.
Dwight was having Kobe flashbacks during that Morey talk.
Isn't that exactly what he wants though?
By reilo Go To PostYes because being more involved in the offense doesn't mean just isolating and having the ball dumped to you..
Isn't that exactly what he wants though?
By reilo Go To PostYes because being more involved in the offense doesn't mean just isolating and having the ball dumped to you. What Dwight probably means is that he's more useful to the team offensively than just some Joel Przybilla or Theo Ratliff type where he's asked to set screens for Harden, move out of the paint when he's driving and go after offensive rebounds.
The only other thing he can do (and do very well) was be the roller in PnR, something he was adamant he wanted no part of anymore cause he's an idiot. He limited his own usefulness cause he's delusional about his capabilities, he turned himself into a role player.