By Moris Go To PostDY hate boner for Klay is insane lol
Did Klay have an email mix up somewhere and I just don't know it?
The worst part about DY's assertion is that Klay is a bad defender. That's just silly.
Also, the new Basketball Reference re-design sucks. Like I am having trouble figuring out what's actually improved.
Also, the new Basketball Reference re-design sucks. Like I am having trouble figuring out what's actually improved.
Being a Klay defender I will admit this... his handles are some of the worst I have seen...like K.Brown bad..
By DY_nasty Go To PostAs for the bolded, naw breh. You can't just take a guard's A/T ratio, look at it, and decide you don't want it because reasons. Especially when what did the Warriors in was in fact their glaring weakness all season long -> -> being ridiculously loose with the ball. Klay was a part of that too.
Right, you don't get to "just throw it out for a guard". But that's simplifying something you're trying to get deep on too. Klay isn't the primary nor secondary play maker. He's about 3 or 4. He's NEVER going to rack up a ton of assists. So his A/T ratio will look bad cause he's always going to be in a position where the turn over is more likely than the assist.
And the whole "he wouldn't get those shots on any other team" thing is bizzare. He may. He may not. He may get other shots that he's just as good at. You have no idea. But what you do know is that he's a vital part of one of the most spread offences in the history of the NBA. So.. I mean. Like. That's a bad thing now?
The worst part of Klays game is what Ace said. His handles could use work.
By reilo Go To PostThe worst part about DY's assertion is that Klay is a bad defender. That's just silly.
As quite possibly the biggest Klay fan around that's the part that gets to me the most. Weak finisher? Absolutely. Not a great passer? Sure, seen him miss an open Steph many times. Poor decision maker? Definitely, but that's part of what makes him who he is. It's part of the ride. Yes he's not the lockdown defender that Andre is (and really who else is?) but Klay often gets the hardest defensive matchup to give Steph a break. His length causes most guards problem and allows them to switch.
Anyway who else takes this shot with 5 minutes down by seven in an elimination game?
If you try to stop him playing his natural style he just becomes a shy gunner which helps no one. Let Klay be Klay. I'm not saying he's not over-rated but the hate he gets is sometimes unwarranted.
Also, the new Basketball Reference re-design sucks. Like I am having trouble figuring out what's actually improved.
It looks nicer but everything is hidden. I miss the old design where I could see everything instantly
I find it hard to overrate somebody who once dropped 36 straight in a quarter. Is he the best two-guard in the league? Nope.
But I'd rather have him at his price tag than Harden at his. Especially given how much roster flexibility a non-ball-dominant wing provides.
But I'd rather have him at his price tag than Harden at his. Especially given how much roster flexibility a non-ball-dominant wing provides.
By HasphatsAnts Go To PostI find it hard to overrate somebody who once dropped 36 straight in a quarter. Is he the best two-guard in the league? Nope.Are you Asserting that Harden is the best SG in the league?
But I'd rather have him at his price tag than Harden at his. Especially given how much roster flexibility a non-ball-dominant wing provides.
By giririsss Go To PostAre you Asserting that Harden is the best SG in the league?
I think so. I know people rag on his defense a lot and deservedly so, but he's at least capable of playing average defense as we've seen in 2014-15. Plus his mind boggling offense production/load is pretty hard to top.
By HasphatsAnts Go To PostI think so. I know people rag on his defense a lot and deservedly so, but he's at least capable of playing average defense as we've seen in 2014-15. Plus his mind boggling offense production/load is pretty hard to top.Bleh. No thanks.
Harden is the DMC of SG's.
I don't want Harden anywhere near any team i support.
By pilonv1 Go To PostAs quite possibly the biggest Klay fan around that's the part that gets to me the most. Weak finisher? Absolutely. Not a great passer? Sure, seen him miss an open Steph many times. Poor decision maker? Definitely, but that's part of what makes him who he is. It's part of the ride. Yes he's not the lockdown defender that Andre is (and really who else is?) but Klay often gets the hardest defensive matchup to give Steph a break. His length causes most guards problem and allows them to switch.glad we agree
Anyway who else takes this shot with 5 minutes down by seven in an elimination game?
If you try to stop him playing his natural style he just becomes a shy gunner which helps no one. Let Klay be Klay. I'm not saying he's not over-rated but the hate he gets is sometimes unwarranted.
It looks nicer but everything is hidden. I miss the old design where I could see everything instantly
By DY_nasty Go To Postglad we agreeIt's funny because noone was really saying otherwise..
By blackace Go To PostIt's funny because noone was really saying otherwise..all that shouldn't make you a 90 on 2k
i mean, is he really that much better than Michael Redd?
By DY_nasty Go To Postall that shouldn't make you a 90 on 2kHe plays both ends of the floor better than Redd did... He is better but not WAY better.
i mean, is he really that much better than Michael Redd?
Ratings are always relevant.... Always seems like 2K rates compared to the rest of the same position instead of just rating on basketball skills..
By P.SY! Go To Postwhat's your list giri?Buttler is the clear #1
Then there's a bunch like McCullum, Klay, DeRozan (ok, maybe not DeRozan, but maybe? so undecided on DeRozan)
There's a few Combo guards that i'd take ahead of Harden, YNB. YNB and Harden play very similar these days except YNB trys on both ends.
And Wade ... if he can keep it together.
There's so many other SG's i'd rather take than Harden.
By DY_nasty Go To PostHarden is likely to have a GOAT statistical season under Pringles 2.0houston gonna be a top 5 team to watch
By DY_nasty Go To PostHarden is likely to have a GOAT statistical season under Pringles 2.0Sure.
But so is everyone he's meant to be guarding.
By giririsss Go To PostSure.
But so is everyone he's meant to be guarding.
I hope he plays defense this year, for my sake.
I am not sold that the Rockets are going to put up Suns numbers this year...
I mean they have zero PGs that are worth a damn
I mean they have zero PGs that are worth a damn
By blackace Go To PostI am not sold that the Rockets are going to put up Suns numbers this year…Harden's been running the offense solo and throwing PGs under the bus since he got to Houston. There's no reason to assume that a lack of PG is going to affect them NOW. If anything, Pringles is already more than comfortable/accepting of Harden being the most ball dominant guard in the league going into next year.
I mean they have zero PGs that are worth a damn
By DY_nasty Go To PostHarden's been running the offense solo and throwing PGs under the bus since he got to Houston. There's no reason to assume that a lack of PG is going to affect them NOW. If anything, Pringles is already more than comfortable/accepting of Harden being the most ball dominant guard in the league going into next year.
Just saying all of Mike D's have not looked as good without a PG. NY and the Lakers... all didn't look very sharp. Sure James and EG will have green lights to do anything but the Suns were so dangerous because they had great ball movement starting at the point
By blackace Go To PostJust saying all of Mike D's have not looked as good without a PG. NY and the Lakers… all didn't look very sharp. Sure James and EG will have green lights to do anything but the Suns were so dangerous because they had great ball movement starting at the pointMike D was never all that position focused anyways. If he could let Boris Diaw run sets comfortably, work Raymond Felton of all people into a career year, and also conform to what Carmelo required to get his guaranteed shots - then why would Harden and the PG-less Rockets be such a hurdle?
The Rockets have already been a top team scoring for years so I guess it isn't such a stretch... but something about the roster doesn't look very Mike D to me...
By blackace Go To PostThe Rockets have already been a top team scoring for years so I guess it isn't such a stretch… but something about the roster doesn't look very Mike D to me…Neither. But i agree with DY. I don't think the fact that harden plays SG is going to be the deciding factor.
It's going to be. if the Rockets are going to play a Typical Mike D offense, can Harden get out of his shitty iso habbits and start running an actual offense.
By blackace Go To PostThe Rockets have already been a top team scoring for years so I guess it isn't such a stretch… but something about the roster doesn't look very Mike D to me…Its less of a stress than Pringles/Melo was by far
By giririsss Go To PostNeither. But i agree with DY. I don't think the fact that harden plays SG is going to be the deciding factor.It's not that Harden plays SG it's how Harden plays SG.. Mike D wants shots up in under 10 seconds.. not pounding the air out the ball isos..
It's going to be. if the Rockets are going to play a Typical Mike D offense, can Harden get out of his shitty iso habbits and start running an actual offense.
By blackace Go To PostIt's not that Harden plays SG it's how Harden plays SG.. Mike D wants shots up in under 10 seconds.. not pounding the air out the ball isos..Eh, we're making assumptions. But Mike isn't the biggest fan of Iso's. Where he and Melo struggled.
By giririsss Go To PostEh, we're making assumptions. But Mike isn't the biggest fan of Iso's. Where he and Melo struggled.Making assumptions on both Harden's and Mike D's career history...
Melo is a much, much worse ballstopper than Harden. Like... you can't even be creative with Melo as a primary ballhandler or focal point. Harden's already shown that he do things with the ball - his tunnel vision issues are a symptom of a lot of other stuff. He wasn't ALWAYS a ballstopper or ballhog.
I can't wait til prediction season too btw
I'm actually thinking that my hornets roll backwards a bit.
I can't wait til prediction season too btw
I'm actually thinking that my hornets roll backwards a bit.
By DY_nasty Go To PostMelo is a much, much worse ballstopper than Harden. Like… you can't even be creative with Melo as a primary ballhandler or focal point. Harden's already shown that he do things with the ball - his tunnel vision issues are a symptom of a lot of other stuff. He wasn't ALWAYS a ballstopper or ballhog.
I can't wait til prediction season too btw
I'm actually thinking that my hornets roll backwards a bit.
I am still wrapping my head around all the player moves this year... There were a lot..
By blackace Go To PostI am still wrapping my head around all the player moves this year… There were a lot..I think Indiana is sliding backwards, despite all the additions they made.
Wizards probably gonna have homecourt imo
Are we doing this? Alright, I'm doing this. My official 16-17 prediction:
Wolves win 43 games. The Rubio/LaVine/Wiggins/Towns lineup continues to decimate people, but I can't envision a scenario where the bench doesn't hemorrhage points. Towns is an All-Star, Ricky finally gets the All-Defense consideration he deserves because Thibs.
Wolves win 43 games. The Rubio/LaVine/Wiggins/Towns lineup continues to decimate people, but I can't envision a scenario where the bench doesn't hemorrhage points. Towns is an All-Star, Ricky finally gets the All-Defense consideration he deserves because Thibs.
By DY_nasty Go To PostRubio doesn't finish the season in Minnesota. T/FFalse. He may not Thibs ideal of a point guard, but he'll realize (if he hasn't already. It seems like he and Ricky already have a good relationship already, with Thibs taking time out to visit him in Spain) that he needs Ricky to make everything go. Neither Flip nor Smitch were Rubio guys until they coached him. I think the same thing applies here.
By blackace Go To PostRubio kinda hinted he might not want to wait anymore to win and Thibs has full power…That doesn't really concern me. Everybody wants to win. They'll take a pretty big step forward this year and nobody will remember Rubio's comments.
Always remember that any Rubio trade rumors are driven by his American agent and nobody else. Ricky has that insane KG loyalty streak in him and wants to play in Minnesota. Rubio and Flip were the ones that ultimately got his extension done, against the wishes of his agent.
By rodeoclown Go To PostAre we doing this? Alright, I'm doing this. My official 16-17 prediction:Does 43 wins net a playoff berth?
Wolves win 43 games. The Rubio/LaVine/Wiggins/Towns lineup continues to decimate people, but I can't envision a scenario where the bench doesn't hemorrhage points. Towns is an All-Star, Ricky finally gets the All-Defense consideration he deserves because Thibs.
By rodeoclown Go To PostThat doesn't really concern me. Everybody wants to win. They'll take a pretty big step forward this year and nobody will remember Rubio's comments.everyone wants to win not everyone makes vague threats of leaving because of it
Always remember that any Rubio trade rumors are driven by his American agent and nobody else. Ricky has that insane KG loyalty streak in him and wants to play in Minnesota. Rubio and Flip were the ones that ultimately got his extension done, against the wishes of his agent.
I got Dunn for RoTY if Rubio kicks rocks just sayin
but I'm not gonna harp on that til it happens... I think the Pacers are gonna backpedal hard in spite of all the moves they made this year too
but I'm not gonna harp on that til it happens... I think the Pacers are gonna backpedal hard in spite of all the moves they made this year too