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By blackace Go To Postjust read the Karl interview about Sac and DMC…

yeah it's a bad franchise

Have a link handy? Always had a lot of respect for Karl and have been curious to hear the inside story of what went so wrong there.

EDIT: Nevermind, think I found it.

http://www.inquisitr.com/3052879/new-york-knicks-rumors-david-blatt-close-to-a-deal-to-become-teams-next-head-coach-other-major-upgrades-planned/

Is this a trustworthy site? They're reporting that Blatt to Knicks is almost a done deal

By DY_nasty Go To PostBatum can really fuck off if he wants a max

Whom else you spending it on?

By giririsss Go To PostWhom else you spending it on?

Horford and KD

By Jonm Go To PostHave a link handy? Always had a lot of respect for Karl and have been curious to hear the inside story of what went so wrong there.

EDIT: Nevermind, think I found it.

it's an ESPN article... just sounded piss poor

By 3SidedPolygons Go To Posthttp://www.inquisitr.com/3052879/new-york-knicks-rumors-david-blatt-close-to-a-deal-to-become-teams-next-head-coach-other-major-upgrades-planned/

Is this a trustworthy site? They're reporting that Blatt to Knicks is almost a done deal

absolutely not. it's essentially an online tabloid.

Karl didn't have the support of Vlade because he thought he could act in the manner of a GM and call around to see who would trade for Cousins. behind the org's back This got out and the relationship between the two was doomed.

It's true Vlade didn't back him when he wanted to suspend Cuz, but that entire locker room pretty much agreed with Cousins. His coaching moves and decisions were horrible. What Vlade fucked up was not just firing him early in the season. That's where you get the mess, with minority owners trying to block the firing and everyone saying "fuck it'. They threw away a season by not addressing the issue early on and being frightened over their own bad reputation.

Quick question 3SP (and anyone else) what do you think of Deron Williams in the triangle......

By Rob Go To PostHorford and KD

I heard KD loves gunning PGs

By 3SidedPolygons Go To Posthttp://www.inquisitr.com/3052879/new-york-knicks-rumors-david-blatt-close-to-a-deal-to-become-teams-next-head-coach-other-major-upgrades-planned/

Is this a trustworthy site? They're reporting that Blatt to Knicks is almost a done deal

Tommy Dee is saying the same thing but he is at best a 33% correct source and is a knicks homer.

By Zeus Ex Machina Go To PostQuick question 3SP (and anyone else) what do you think of Deron Williams in the triangle……

He's a solid passer and he can shoot, I just don't see any reason to give an injury prone guy a spot on your team.

An interview with Cousins done about a week ago here:

http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2016/04/28/part-1-demarcus-cousins-exclusive-the-drive/

Talks about IT, the season, Malone, Karl and Jasmine from Aladdin being a dime.

By 3SidedPolygons Go To PostHe's a solid passer and he can shoot, I just don't see any reason to give an injury prone guy a spot on your team.

I guess as a place holder for 2017 or in case one of the youths improve to starter quality. Anyhow I'm just thinking along the lines of cheaper free agents

By etiolation Go To PostKarl didn't have the support of Vlade because he thought he could act in the manner of a GM and call around to see who would trade for Cousins. behind the org's back This got out and the relationship between the two was doomed.

It's true Vlade didn't back him when he wanted to suspend Cuz, but that entire locker room pretty much agreed with Cousins. His coaching moves and decisions were horrible. What Vlade fucked up was not just firing him early in the season. That's where you get the mess, with minority owners trying to block the firing and everyone saying "fuck it'. They threw away a season by not addressing the issue early on and being frightened over their own bad reputation.

I don't agree with any of this... Karl messed up big time by talking trades but letting your players cuss out their boss because they don't think his play calling was good... So basically it's bad for a coach to act like a GM but it's ok for a player to act like a coach when he wants?

Karl is old and lives in a different era but is a hof coach and has a great basketball mind... but needs to have control like any great coach... if the FO isn't giving it then all is lost

i mean, once karl came in and said that everybody is tradeable including DMC it was a wrap.

Cousins was speaking for the locker room. I don't like player revolts, but that's what it was. It wasn't just a Cousins hissy fit. He was speaking for the team.

If Karl had the backing he wanted, he would have traded Cousins before the season. That's the backing he was looking for, but he didn't get it and coached in such a manner as to give credence to accusations that he was tanking the season in revolt.

By Zeus Ex Machina Go To PostI guess as a place holder for 2017 or in case one of the youths improve to starter quality. Anyhow I'm just thinking along the lines of cheaper free agents

I feel like George hill is the perfect mold of what You want. Sold defensively, stays in his lane, can attack closeouts, and can hit the 3 at a ~40% clip. In the way that 3 and D wings are a staple of modern offenses, 3 and D PG's are a staple of the triangle

By etiolation Go To PostCousins was speaking for the locker room. I don't like player revolts, but that's what it was. It wasn't just a Cousins hissy fit. He was speaking for the team.

If Karl had the backing he wanted, he would have traded Cousins before the season. That's the backing he was looking for, but he didn't get it and coached in such a manner as to give credence to accusations that he was tanking the season in revolt.

I like Cousins as a player.... But he can be douche and so far a coach killer. The way you spin for him is amazing.

There are cases in life when both parties are wrong and last year's Kings was one of those cases

By P S Y C H Go To Posti mean, once karl came in and said that everybody is tradeable including DMC it was a wrap.

that is true...

they are interviewing Pat btw

At some point I think Kings fans need to start entertaining the notion that maybe Cousins is in fact a major part of the contiuing problem?

I get a temperamental superstar with frustratingly bad ownership is probably the worst marriage in the league but Cousins seems at least in part one of the major problems. And heck, if the trade rumors turn out true doesn't that just sort of make Karl ahead of the curve here?

the Kings have entertained trades well before Karl came but saying that they are makes DMC pout

boogie and the kings deserve each other. that's all there is to say.

Hill is who I want at the 2, or Lee.

Also I don't see how Blatt can take the Knicks job with this triangle mandate and Rambis still on the bench as his 'assistant'. I don't doubt that Blatt knows the triangle but can he teach it? Can he make mid game adjustments with it? The better question is would he be as effective with the triagle as he would be with his own stuff? I don't get it, you hire the best coach you can and then let them run whatever they think will work with the roster. This management imposed system shit is dumb.

By etiolation Go To PostI like that the Kings are giving Ewing a look.

Why? I don't believe he has stopped watching cheerleaders instead of the game while he is supposed to be working the sidelines.

"I kept telling Mike (Bratz), ‘Darren Collison, Ben McLemore and Marco Belinelli are too similar."

Apparently Karl thinks Collison is a SG and that McLemore and Belinelli have similar skill-sets or something.

By blackace Go To PostI like Cousins as a player…. But he can be douche and so far a coach killer. The way you spin for him is amazing.

There are cases in life when both parties are wrong and last year's Kings was one of those cases

There's Westphal and Karl, both of whom tried to oust Cousins. Outside of that, there's no coach killings going on.

Also, I'm not spinning anymore than Karl or Voisin is spinning. You're outside Sac, so you don't know Voisin's history, but she's pretty hack. The Sac Bee in its entirety is a dwindling news org that's gone bitter. They are the source of all this stuff.

I can see what people have issue with Cousins on. He's harsh on teammates and he lets difficulties get to him too easily. However, Karl's coaching was terrible, he tried to get Cousins traded, and, unless you think Caron Butler, Seth Curry and WCS are the same type of person Cousins is, then he ignored what was good for the team and decided to put style over substance. His understanding of personnel there was terrible and kept feeling the need to dictate changes.

You can blame the Kings for hiring someone like Karl and having this result, but to lay all the blame at Boogie is narrative-driven.

By masud Go To PostHill is who I want at the 2, or Lee.

Also I don't see how Blatt can take the Knicks job with this triangle mandate and Rambis still on the bench as his 'assistant'. I don't doubt that Blatt knows the triangle but can he teach it? Can he make mid game adjustments with it? The better question is would he be as effective with the triagle as he would be with his own stuff? I don't get, you hire the best coach you can and then let them run whatever they think will work with the roster. This management imposed system shit is dumb.

So now Blatt is suppose to go and interview for the Kings job..... Smh if the God Damn kings can make a come up and Phil sticks with Rambis

I like Hill, if Phil can work the money right to get him and lets say another Marquee FA 2017 could be a giant leap forward for Phil's triangle plan.

you take critism of Boogie as all or nothing... It's been clearly said by many posters here that it looks like there is plenty of blame to go around... for the FO, Karl and the angelic Boogie.

I mean DMC is a douche without question but Karl is a legit son of a bitch snake and what he tried to do by overstepping his power to force a Boogie trade should of got him fired immediately.

By blackace Go To Postyou take critism of Boogie as all or nothing… It's been clearly said by many posters here that it looks like there is plenty of blame to go around… for the FO, Karl and the angelic Boogie.

What you don't seem to grasp is that the source of the Boogie trade rumors is AIleen Voisin suggesting they should trade him and David Aldridge thinking they might do so. There's no actual, real source to it. Voisin is doing this to defend Karl, and to a longer extent, PDA's legacy. She did the same thing with D'Allesandro's departure. She's misquoted players in the past, started controversies and made her own little player battles. Cousins won't even talk to her. Hell, she did Carl Landry wrong.

I'm not saying Cousins is blameless. I'm saying that where the trade rumor comes from is highly suspect and narrative driven. A lot of stuff like the locker room hating Cousins is beyond suspect. Voisin had been arguing that Karl should be moved into the front office. Think about that.

I very clearly see who is reporting Eito. Being outside of Sac doesn't mean we can't read that the Bee is reporting...

By blackace Go To PostI very clearly see who is reporting Eito. Being outside of Sac doesn't mean we can't read that the Bee is reporting…

And Eti is saying that the Bee is a poor source of information due to previous and ongoing inaccuracies and bias in their reporting and quoting.

So now Blatt is suppose to go and interview for the Kings job….. Smh if the God Damn kings can make a come up and Phil sticks with Rambis

I like Hill, if Phil can work the money right to get him and lets say another Marquee FA 2017 could be a giant leap forward for Phil's triangle plan.

I still think we should go for it this year (or try were probably gonna get spurned by everyone again) the 2017 guys are a pipe dream especially if we don't significantly improve next season. We'll have the money for a big contract in 2017 even if we give one out this summer too. I don't get your hesitance with Conley, hes one of the best at a position of need for us. You said he wasn't top 5 you'd have to put him at 6 or 7 imo and in a pg heavy league that's not bad. And his Achilles is just sore I don't think that's much to be concerned about.

so the mavs want howard?

god do they not understand that its time to tank? jesus

kings are going to rob blatt from knicks i bet.

By unknown Go To Postkings are going to rob blatt from knicks i bet.

Blatt just got run out of Cleveland by an entitled superstar, why would he want to walk into the buzzsaw in Sacramento?

Don't see him going with the Knicks either. Dude's not about the Triangle.

Blatt just got run out of Cleveland by an entitled superstar, why would he want to walk into the buzzsaw in Sacramento?

Don't see him going with the Knicks either. Dude's not about the Triangle.

Shit who is? Really I'm asking? Rambis may literally be the best available 'triangle coach' in the world at this point. Why is it that besides Jackson's cronies it seems that no one is running this system at a pro or college level? Not a slight against the triangle necessarily, it would be nice to have some more coaching candidates but it seems like the basketball world has abandoned the system outside of Phil and his flock.

By 3SidedPolygons Go To Posthttp://www.inquisitr.com/3052879/new-york-knicks-rumors-david-blatt-close-to-a-deal-to-become-teams-next-head-coach-other-major-upgrades-planned/

Is this a trustworthy site? They're reporting that Blatt to Knicks is almost a done deal

yeah i believe so.
IIRC, they've broken a few big stories in the past
congrats knickfans if its true.

By masud Go To PostShit who is? Really I'm asking? Rambis may literally be the best available 'triangle coach' in the world at this point. Why is it that besides Jackson's cronies it seems that no one is running this system at a pro or college level? Not a slight against the triangle necessarily, it would be nice to have some more coaching candidates but it seems like the basketball world has abandoned the system outside of Phil and his flock.

Greg Auriemma runs it at UCONN. Tim Cone runs it in the Phillipines, and as far as I know several other college teams run it. Ros Gold has said that she played for a coach that run it too.

System offenses are hard to run entirely because you need nuanced understandings. You're not just taking bits and pieces of different things and running them. Whether it's the flex or the Princeton or the triangle very few of them are run entirely.

By masud Go To PostShit who is? Really I'm asking? Rambis may literally be the best available 'triangle coach' in the world at this point. Why is it that besides Jackson's cronies it seems that no one is running this system at a pro or college level? Not a slight against the triangle necessarily, it would be nice to have some more coaching candidates but it seems like the basketball world has abandoned the system outside of Phil and his flock.

It requires multiple smart, well-rounded, and talented players to run it as your main offense. It's pretty hard to rely on having that on your roster for the amount of time it would take the team to master the system.

So coaches instead take aspects of the triangle that make it work and try to incorporate them into their own offense that is easier/quicker to teach how to execute at a sufficient level. It hasn't been abandoned (except maybe as the sole system) since parts of it are a staple of most modern offenses.

Tim Cone? lol I am dying 😂😂😂😂😂

By blackace Go To PostTim Cone? lol I am dying 😂😂😂😂😂

He said basketball world.


Also, every team uses pinch post, every team uses corner pick and roll, every team forms sideline triangles and passes into the post.

The corner pick and roll is not only a triangle play...

And I would love to see Tim Cone in NY
rofl

By blackace Go To PostThe corner pick and roll is not only a triangle play…

And I would love to see Tim Cone in NY
rofl

Yea, it really is. It's been part of the triangle for like 40 years, it's absolutely a triangle sequence that's super unique to that offensive system.

I guess... but Utah ran it for years and while they had triangle aspects you wouldn't say it was the triangle offense

By blackace Go To PostI guess… but Utah ran it for years and while they had triangle aspects you wouldn't say it was the triangle offense

I mean they ran the flex, and the flex has a corner option, but the corner option in the flex isn't a PnR. Whereas the corner series in the triangle has a PnR as the most prominent option.

Apparently the Stanford men's team runs or ran it entirely too. I'm sure there are others i just don't watch enough college ball to know

The 1-3-1 motion offense uses a corner PnR I know the Bucks ran at one point years ago. I wanna say Stotts was the HC and Ford was the PG

Anyways no one at the pro level seems triangle ready

No one at the pro level does seem triangle ready, you're right, although there are teams that would benefit from running it. Especially if they've got 3 or more effective low post players. Miami comes to mind.

Lots of teams ran corner PnR but that doesn't mean it's a part of the systems they ran, it just means they adopted it from the triangle or prior to like 30 years ago used it to get out of a jam. It's a little bit like D'Antoni wasn't the first guy ever to run a high PnR with two guys in the corner, but he's the first guy to make that a primary option, therefore he rightly gets credit for all of the teams that run that now.

Corner PnR, sideline triangles and pinch post are the same thing. They're a staple of an offense that's been front and center in the NBA for 25 years so teams have adopted those parts.

And to be honest most teams shouldn't run the triangle because they don't have enough low post threats or high IQ players just like teams with trash point guards shouldn't run 80 high PnR's a game. Gotta find a style that plays to your strengths.

https://youtu.be/9Lq11BZz1OY

Like this shit is pure D'Antoni. Anytime you have a high or wing PnR with two guys in the corner and a third guy along the baseline near the block or on the wing (depending on if it's a big of a 3 point threat) you're basically running D'Antoni's patented play. Which every NBA team runs now.

Lin and Al want to stay in Charlotte and are saying money isn't an issue.