By giririsss Go To PostI'm not even sure I'd want the No.1 pick this year. Having to choose between Ingram and Simmons seems like there is a huge option for pure fuckery and flops.
No. 3 seems just as bad because of the amount of love Bender is getting.
I said the same thing last year round this time when Okafor/Towns were neck and neck....then it became clear it was Towns>*
Then I wished LA had the #1 pick.
By 3SidedPolygons Go To PostAnd he's just icing. They already have LMA/Kawhi core future. Fucking brokenDavid West is what, their 8th-best player? They are absolutely stacked.
If we even make a series against them or the Dubs competitive that's a pretty good accomplishment.
By The Frankman Go To PostIf Thabeet was a "you can't teach height" and Cabocolo was "two years away from being two years away" what the fuck is Thom Maker? A good argument why the NBA needs legit minor league teams?
Two years from being away with size you can't teach.
dude is apparently really bad ATM too...Skal bombing as hard as he did at Kentucky makes Maker a no go for sure...since Skal apparently pushed his shit in.
By Moris Go To PostThon Maker declared….who is gonna do it? Whose finna do it?
With Hinkie gone...I can kinda breath easy in this case...then again Bryan did love him some Bargs...why not take the Black Version?
fuck
By knux-future Go To PostTwo years from being away with size you can't teach.I already commented on Thons workout video.
dude is apparently really bad ATM too…Skal bombing as hard as he did at Kentucky makes Maker a no go for sure…since Skal apparently pushed his shit in.
With Hinkie gone…I can kinda breath easy in this case…then again Bryan did love him some Bargs…why not take the Black Version?
fuck
I wouldn't care so much if we drafted him with the cavs pick. But any earlier than the 30th pick and people should be mad.
By Moris Go To PostI said the same thing last year round this time when Okafor/Towns were neck and neck….then it became clear it was Towns>*That seperation isn't there this year.
Then I wished LA had the #1 pick.
Simmons is PROBABLY the most talented, but he's running away from every competition which means ingram is winning by default.
Just pure fuckery.
By DY_nasty Go To PostI still think you gotta make up reasons to dislike SimmonsI think he throws a lot of red flags around personality/mental stuff. Someone going into a hyper competitive league shouldn't be spending so much time running from competition and hiding.
By giririsss Go To PostI'm not even sure I'd want the No.1 pick this year. Having to choose between Ingram and Simmons seems like there is a huge option for pure fuckery and flops.I am actually cool with any of the top 4 picks...to an extent.
No. 3 seems just as bad because of the amount of love Bender is getting.
Simmons isn't the can't miss guy people made him out to be. You also have to wonder about a dude who took like 4 jumpers (well not a lot) translating. However, 19 and 12 is some crazy shit..and dude just knows how to finish. There are also not many 6'10 guys who can move like that. He is a weird fit for us...but we just won 10 games...so who cares.
Ingram is probably the best fir for us. But IDK I feel like Grayson was the real MVP of Duke this year. Ingram also isn't the Durant level athlete, he just moves kinda slow at times. Still his handle is pretty good, he's long as fuck...and he can shoot. We need that.
I haven't watched much of Bender BUT i feel like Euro Scouting has improved quite a bit..and while we damn sure don't need another big, he actually would be able to coexist with whoever wins out in the end (also Embiid is bench fodder until his foot and back proves it won't implode at a moments notice)
At four, I really like Dunn. I however have been so damn wrong about guards forever now (Trey Burke for example....geez). He has a lot of tools tho and his jumper isn't as broken as I thought so that is a plus. We need ballhandlers period and he feels this niche. I joked but I have also come around on Murray lately too, he can score and is young. Scared as fuck of Hield tho. Drafting Super Jodie Meeks in the top 5 is bad news.
so do your worst lottery gods.
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostSimmons just looks like a Laker. Got a feeling it's gonna happen.join the fam, fam.
on some not even hating shit, Simmons makes a lot of sense for the Lakers as a secondary ballhandler to Russell and hopefully Clarkson. Ingram also would give them a crazy good core if they still believe in Randle in which they'd just need a center (although Randle and Simmons would be a crazy "small" ball lineup). If Bender is legit, he also would be a crazy good fit. The Lakers could be BACK <magic voice=""> sooner than expected.
By giririsss Go To PostI think he throws a lot of red flags around personality/mental stuff. Someone going into a hyper competitive league shouldn't be spending so much time running from competition and hiding.i'd personally choose Ingram over Simmons.
BS does show some redflags in his persona where he would be problematic.
By giririsss Go To PostI think he throws a lot of red flags around personality/mental stuff. Someone going into a hyper competitive league shouldn't be spending so much time running from competition and hiding.Not so much running from competition as protecting his draft stock.
That LSU team was also one of the worst coached 'big' programs I've ever seen. Every guy on the roster was out to outshine the other. Zero cohesion for a college team.
Simmons will go #1 because no GM wants to be the guy who passed on a "Generational Talent." If Ingram turned out to be good and Simmons garbage you can talk your way out of it. If it's the other way around you're for sure getting canned.
GMs are risk averse creatures
GMs are risk averse creatures
I don't think people really saw enough Ingram lol. He wasn't even the best player on his team, and comparing guys to Durant? That should be legit heretical.
Like... he's good, but he's more skinny spreewell than anything else.
Like... he's good, but he's more skinny spreewell than anything else.
By Moris Go To PostMelo wants Thibs. Phil trying to set NY back with Rambis.
I've said this on Knicks boards before. Phil doesn't want Melo to stay in NY. Melo doesn't want to leave A lot of Phil's move and statement since even before the trade line looked like he was seriously considering tanking next year and right now it looks like he still plans to do it.
Triangle Hard-On aside a lot of politics are going on in NY.
By Zeus Ex Machina Go To PostI've said this on Knicks boards before. Phil doesn't want Melo to stay in NY. Melo doesn't want to leave A lot of Phil's move and statement since even before the trade line looked like he was seriously considering tanking next year and right now it looks like he still plans to do it.
Triangle Hard-On aside a lot of politics are going on in NY.
I think other than the triangle, there's no sure thing with what Phil wants.
Talks about a playoff team then breaks up to tank. Hates young rookies, but takes a 19 year old unproven project. Doesn't want a point guard but tries to get Teague and Rubio mid season. Talks up Calderon but constantly tries to trade him.
There's definitely some Misdirection involved and definitely some willingness to adapt and deal with situations as they are as well as some learning on the job on the fly.
By DY_nasty Go To PostNot so much running from competition as protecting his draft stock.Yeah, that's called bitching out. Running away. Hiding.
That LSU team was also one of the worst coached 'big' programs I've ever seen. Every guy on the roster was out to outshine the other. Zero cohesion for a college team.
By P S Y C H Go To Postsounds like a smart kid
These top high school prospects give two shits about the NCAA and they shouldn't. If you're a lock to be drafted top 10 or so, what is an all-out freshmen year really gonna do for you? Kyrie broke his foot and still went #1 lol. Its pointless if you know you're a lock. Simmons probably should've just faked an injury altogether.
The question about Simmons is will people bounce off of him or no. If no then he's Lamar Odom. If yes then he's Blake Griffin.
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostThe question about Simmons is will people bounce off of him or no. If no then he's Lamar Odom. If yes then he's Blake Griffin.No.
By DY_nasty Go To Postwatching the wnba draftThis is no way to find a girlfriend.
its weird not hearing wingspan 100 times
By DY_nasty Go To Postwatching the wnba draftread a good article the other day about lowering the rim for the WNBA. Seems like something that should've been done already.
its weird not hearing wingspan 100 times
By P S Y C H Go To Postread a good article the other day about lowering the rim for the WNBA. Seems like something that should've been done already.I'm not against it tbh
Moriah saying she studied Tony Parker.... please don't let Tony Parker be watching this lol
wow @ 123 uconn picks.
Kevin O'Connor released his Draft thingy. It has been pretty neat the last few years. This years one will constantly be updated too
By DY_nasty Go To Postwatching the wnba draftwhat about deceptively quick
its weird not hearing wingspan 100 times
Wow, really? The NFL is gonna have games on Christmas now? FOH. You already get all of Thanksgiving weekend. What dicks.
By Kuma Go To PostAll I want is a superstar / hope from this draft….I am on Knux statusthe disrespect....
Would be interesting what the team does with the 7th, 15th and 18th picks.
Some rumors said that the team is going to try move up. Not sure if it's worth it considering this year class.
On the other hand there's no room for 3 new young players and stashing some European player with the 15th or 18th pick seems like a waste.
Some rumors said that the team is going to try move up. Not sure if it's worth it considering this year class.
On the other hand there's no room for 3 new young players and stashing some European player with the 15th or 18th pick seems like a waste.
By Koko Go To PostWould be interesting what the team does with the 7th, 15th and 18th picks.Depends on what yall need. Denver is quietly kinda "stacked" at most positions. Murray could be a neat option next to Mudiay as a second ballhandler. The other two picks they should just take wings..perhaps to stash like Kormaz or Luwawu, and bring them over when Gallo and Chandler leaves.
Some rumors said that the team is going to try move up. Not sure if it's worth it considering this year class.
On the other hand there's no room for 3 new young players and stashing some European player with the 15th or 18th pick seems like a waste.
I mean, Steph played at Davidson. And he dropped in the draft despite lighting college up precisely because of the "but but but the competition though" arguments.
I don't know diddly squat about Simmons, just seems like if you use that reasoning, and you pass up on him and he becomes a superstar. People are going to be bringing up the "Didn't you learn anything from Steph you dumbass" statements to that GM forever.
I don't know diddly squat about Simmons, just seems like if you use that reasoning, and you pass up on him and he becomes a superstar. People are going to be bringing up the "Didn't you learn anything from Steph you dumbass" statements to that GM forever.
By giririsss Go To PostThat seperation isn't there this year.
Simmons is PROBABLY the most talented, but he's running away from every competition which means ingram is winning by default.
Just pure fuckery.
Did you forget that Okafor was the no brainer #1 overall until Towns started his workouts?
By Kuma Go To PostAll I want is a superstar / hope from this draft….I am on Knux status
Celts are the 5 seed, Philly is....
By 3SidedPolygons Go To PostI mean, Steph played at Davidson. And he dropped in the draft despite lighting college up precisely because of the "but but but the competition though" arguments.Simmons is the guy you pass on and he learns how to shoot and everyone kills you...
I don't know diddly squat about Simmons, just seems like if you use that reasoning, and you pass up on him and he becomes a superstar. People are going to be bringing up the "Didn't you learn anything from Steph you dumbass" statements to that GM forever.
but also the guy you take and he never learns how to shoot and suddenly you are an idiot.
its not going to be easy for these GMs lol
The only time I've been 100% convinced a supposed top-5 guy was gonna be a bust was with Thabeet.
To add insult to injury, Harden and Curry were both available.
Although I might be more depressed if I'm Minny and took two PGs right before Steph.
To add insult to injury, Harden and Curry were both available.
Although I might be more depressed if I'm Minny and took two PGs right before Steph.
By KingGondo Go To PostAlthough I might be more depressed if I'm Minny and took two PGs right before Steph.I just don't think that putting Steph on the David Kahn led, Kurt Rambis coached Timberwolves leads to the same thing. It was a really, really bad environment and the only guy that developed in that period was Kevin Love, who got better in spite of the team. These things don't happen in vacuums, they didn't just not pick the NBA MVP. He wasn't that until years and years later.
By rodeoclown Go To PostI just don't think that putting Steph on the David Kahn led, Kurt Rambis coached Timberwolves leads to the same thing. It was a really, really bad environment and the only guy that developed in that period was Kevin Love, who got better in spite of the team. These things don't happen in vacuums, they didn't just not pick the NBA MVP. He wasn't that until years and years later.
You're right. But C'Mon man. That logic has never, and should never, work.
"I'm just not sure if Jordan has to go to the Blazers and vie for playing time with Clyde, that he develops the same way".
"I'm just not sure if Durant goes to Portland that he doesn't break 3 knees and 7 feet. Also, Brandon Roy."
Taking two point guards, and specifically Johnny Flynn ahead of Curry will always, always, be seen as a catastrophic franchise destroying move. As it should be - no amount of "He probably doesn't become all time great caliber in that other situation" arguments will ever work.
Also, just, imagine what happens if Steph is alongside Rubio. I'm about 98% sure Rubio is a marksman shooter right now watching Steph and his routine.
maybe none end up as good as they are or were... but MJ would have been better than Sam Bowie on any team including Portland... Same goes for KD/Oden Curry/Flynn
By knux-future Go To PostSimmons is the guy you pass on and he learns how to shoot and everyone kills you…
but also the guy you take and he never learns how to shoot and suddenly you are an idiot.
its not going to be easy for these GMs lol
By Moris Go To PostSimmons is the obvious #1 as of right now. This year might be 2000 Draft part 2.
So obvious he's not #1 on quite a few draft sites?
I'm with Knux. I don't think this years is as clear cut as some are trying to make out.
Youd think I'd be used to not having a pick since its happened like every other year for my entire adult life but it still hurts.
By Zeus Ex Machina Go To PostPlease God of Basketball Please let Phil figure out a way to trade Melo for some fucking picks.There is literally no will on either side for this to happen. We fucked, we fucked forever.
By masud Go To PostYour think I'd be used to not having a pick since its happened like every other year for my entire adult life but it still hurts.
There is literally no will on either side for this to happen. We fucked, we fucked forever.
Like I have this hope beyond all hopes that this year is it. Melo doesn't want to leave but Rambis as HC is a scary enough thought that he pulls the trigger.
Though honestly you're right. This is all probably one giant smoke screen to keep the media from zeroing on the fact that Phil is likely stalling the coaching search to go after Walton hardbody when the playoffs are over. After what Jim Buss did to him before hiring D'antoni I couldn't see him using another coach like that unless it was Rambis who would likely be on a Walton bench regardless.
By Zeus Ex Machina Go To PostLike I have this hope beyond all hopes that this year is it. Melo doesn't want to leave but Rambis as HC is a scary enough thought that he pulls the trigger.
Though honestly you're right. This is all probably one giant smoke screen to keep the media from zeroing on the fact that Phil is likely stalling the coaching search to go after Walton hardbody when the playoffs are over. After what Jim Buss did to him before hiring D'antoni I couldn't see him using another coach like that unless it was Rambis who would likely be on a Walton bench regardless.
Rambis and Shaw are bad fits for this situation. Although I do think that giving Shaw a team full of non-cancers and locker room disasters will work. The problem is that the recent job openings have made the open coach positions so plentiful that the 4 or 5 really good coaches out there will have their pick of the litter. If they all want executive power there's no way that NY gets them.