By diehard Go To PostNo i know, but i still can't believe it.Fair enough lol.
Ernie's back in town without a coach. Not sure what it says about Brooks either way--would be wise to force a bidding war obviously. Won't have to wait long with Houston being a couple of games away from elimination.
RT @WojVerticalNBA Scott Brooks has agreed to deal to become the Washington coach, league source tells @TheVertical
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By pilonv1 Go To Post35million for Scott BrooksWhy do people even care what the coaches make?
Besides, $4 million is the base for any coach in the league. Any coach with a decent record is going to start at $7 million.
What's amazing is all the coaches that were fired last year because everyone thought "wow this coach has massive flaws, u can't win with him" are now the most coveted coaches on the market.
Even extends to Blatt and McHale to a lesser extent.
Literally every single replacement for these coaches has been a massive disappointment - Donovan's the only coach that has a good enough record to inspire confidence but his team is atrocious as hell defensively and probably gets severely out coached in the first/second round.
Even extends to Blatt and McHale to a lesser extent.
Literally every single replacement for these coaches has been a massive disappointment - Donovan's the only coach that has a good enough record to inspire confidence but his team is atrocious as hell defensively and probably gets severely out coached in the first/second round.
McHale and Boogie though might be interesting. Plus McHale just seems like a much more relaxed individual.
The strength of that contract is a pretty clear message that Ernie is next man up. He won't be favored over Brooks the next time Ted's pressured to fire someone again.
Good hire. If he can rip ceilings down and raise new ones for even one of the young players then it helps the team tremendously. And if he can bring any input at all in regards to the drafting process, then even better. Need to see who he brings in for his staff.
Good hire. If he can rip ceilings down and raise new ones for even one of the young players then it helps the team tremendously. And if he can bring any input at all in regards to the drafting process, then even better. Need to see who he brings in for his staff.
Kings gonna interview Nate McMillan after the playoffs are over... I like Mac10 but unless he's learned how to run a modern offense that guy is not fit for this era. Plus, he's a George Karl disciple.
Who else is even left in the coaching market? and who needs coaches? I'm guessing at least 10 more teams. Seems like every lottery team besides Lakers and Suns got rid of their HC. Wolves and Wiz just signed theirs
By 3SidedPolygons Go To PostWhat's amazing is all the coaches that were fired last year because everyone thought "wow this coach has massive flaws, u can't win with him" are now the most coveted coaches on the market.They haven't replaced McHale yet...
Even extends to Blatt and McHale to a lesser extent.
Literally every single replacement for these coaches has been a massive disappointment - Donovan's the only coach that has a good enough record to inspire confidence but his team is atrocious as hell defensively and probably gets severely out coached in the first/second round.
Thibs was the real gem of the coaching market
By reilo Go To PostKings gonna interview Nate McMillan after the playoffs are over… I like Mac10 but unless he's learned how to run a modern offense that guy is not fit for this era. Plus, he's a George Karl disciple.Kings are really just randomly doing shit now...
But being a disciple of Karl worked out for Stotts... it's not like they channel Karl's fuckery or anything...
I'd call Stotts more of a Carlisle disciple than anything. Stotts' coaching philosophy is completely antithetical to Karl's. Plus I only bring up the Karl connection because the Kings just fired him.
By reilo Go To PostI'd call Stotts more of a Carlisle disciple than anything. Stotts' coaching philosophy is completely antithetical to Karl's. Plus I only bring up the Karl connection because the Kings just fired him.Stotts offense is very Karl like... he was with him for about 8 years...
I don't really like the Mac-10 fit in Sac-town tho... but it would be interesting to see how he uses DMC
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Stotts offense is all Carlisle-like... because he was the offensive coordinator and credited for their 2011 championship scheme. Karl's last 3 years with Denver, those teams finished 1st each year (and top 5 in all others) at FGA near the rim as a percentage of their attempts. Denver also attempts a crapton of freethrows (Denver 1st in 2011, Kings 6th in 2016) whereas Stotts teams do not (Mavs 27th in 2011, Blazers 28th in 2015 and 14th in 2016).
Stotts system is far more fluid and motion oriented with heavy usage of the perimeter. In 2011, for example, Dallas finished 27th in shot attempts within 3ft of the rim as part of their offense. Those two are complete opposite stylistically and in offensive philosophy.
Stotts offense is all Carlisle-like... because he was the offensive coordinator and credited for their 2011 championship scheme. Karl's last 3 years with Denver, those teams finished 1st each year (and top 5 in all others) at FGA near the rim as a percentage of their attempts. Denver also attempts a crapton of freethrows (Denver 1st in 2011, Kings 6th in 2016) whereas Stotts teams do not (Mavs 27th in 2011, Blazers 28th in 2015 and 14th in 2016).
Stotts system is far more fluid and motion oriented with heavy usage of the perimeter. In 2011, for example, Dallas finished 27th in shot attempts within 3ft of the rim as part of their offense. Those two are complete opposite stylistically and in offensive philosophy.
It's a coaching market only if you don't mind getting millions but then having the boot for not producing awesome results in so little time.
nobody crying for these coaches
they got guaranteed contracts and when they get fired on bullshit, they come back making even more lol
they got guaranteed contracts and when they get fired on bullshit, they come back making even more lol
New Orleans Pelicans officials said Wednesday they are still working on scheduling a season-ending news conference for general manager Dell Demps but no exact date has been set yet.
The franchise also would not elaborate on anything else beyond that regarding Demps, who has been in charge of the Pelicans' basketball operations since 2010. There has been speculation since last week that Demps is on the hot seat and the franchise could move in a different direction.
When a team official was asked on Wednesday if Demps was currently working on draft preparations his response was, "I don't know."
However, a source within the franchise last week denied a report from the Racine Journal that speculated former Detroit Pistons player and executive Joe Dumars could be hired by the Pelicans as their new president of basketball operations, replacing Demps. The report also speculated that Dumars would in turn hire current Milwaukee Bucks general manager John Hammond to assume similar duties with the Pelicans.
If that shit goes down, which has been circulated numerous times this season, I think I'm out. Only so much fuckery that I can take from one organization.
Stotts made that flow offense from what I understand. If you look at Bucks Karl his teams took almost no shots at the rim... He shifted his style when he went to Den
By giririsss Go To PostIsn't Dumars record………… terrible?I honestly think that owner put them into such a position rather than Dumars. He built a championship squad - then was forced to 'stay competitive' which led to the Gordon and Villanueva signings that put them right into no man's land.
I still think Dumars is a good GM.
By giririsss Go To PostIsn't Dumars record………… terrible?
He's from New Orleans. Despite a judge ruling, one interview with our owner will show anyone he isn't their anymore. The upper level guys are football minds that have been pretty clueless from the start and nepotism and failing upward seems to be a growing theme throughout the Benson brass.
So yeah, this would shock me little.
By giririsss Go To PostIsn't Dumars record………… terrible?no? they had 7 years of be a high 50 win team under him... but he will always be remembered for drafted Darko over Melo and Bosh
Dumars hits on basically everything he does in the late 90s, early 00s: Grant Hill for Ben Wallace, drafting Tayshaun Prince, Jerry Stackhouse for Rip Hamilton, signing Billups. But the rest of his tenure is so insanely bad that it mostly makes me think the first couple years were a fluke.
By rodeoclown Go To PostDumars hits on basically everything he does in the late 90s, early 00s: Grant Hill for Ben Wallace, drafting Tayshaun Prince, Jerry Stackhouse for Rip Hamilton, signing Billups. But the rest of his tenure is so insanely bad that it mostly makes me think the first couple years were a fluke.The abrupt switch really falls on the ownership losing its mind and alienating the entire city imo. Detroit had to rebuild its roster, and instead some middling, longterm moves just piled on each other. It always wreaked of ownership demanding 'a competitive product' even if it didn't make sense.
By DY_nasty Go To PostI honestly think that owner put them into such a position rather than Dumars. He built a championship squad - then was forced to 'stay competitive' which led to the Gordon and Villanueva signings that put them right into no man's land.I can't take seriously a guy that has pretty much dismissed analytics as garbage and has never shown he can adapt to modern NBA front office management and team building.
I still think Dumars is a good GM.
I'm sure I won't actually quit my team but if they do this my expectations(which were already pretty low) will plummet.
By Jonm Go To PostI can't take seriously a guy that has pretty much dismissed analytics as garbage and has never shown he can adapt to modern NBA front office management and team building.Is he really completely adverse to it? A lot of old generation guys are slow to adapt.
I'm sure I won't actually quit my team but if they do this my expectations(which were already pretty low) will plummet.
I'm always really hesitant to blame ownership for GM failings. It's just...its way to easy to throw away multiple years of complete shit work on a resume and blame it on the owner. Guys tried to make that argument for Ernies shit work during the Abe tenure and there's never any evidence to support it.
he got Ben, drafted Prince and signed Billups
then traded Stack for RIP
then traded for Sheed and chipped
his last few years were a mess but he had 8+ good years there
then traded Stack for RIP
then traded for Sheed and chipped
his last few years were a mess but he had 8+ good years there
By DY_nasty Go To PostIs he really completely adverse to it? A lot of old generation guys are slow to adapt.I mean there is this piece I found pretty quickly from years back that I remember created a lot of hoopla:
http://www.detroitbadboys.com/2014/1/21/5329038/joe-dumars-pistons-gm-advanced-statistics
From the little tidbits of insight that fall out from our local media about his "consultant" role on the team it is hard to gather whether he has changed his approach.
By blackace Go To Posthe got Ben, drafted Prince and signed BillupsMy biggest issue is not necessarily the hiring itself(though I won't like it) but the lack of a process.
then traded Stack for RIP
then traded for Sheed and chipped
his last few years were a mess but he had 8+ good years there
All the rumors point to the decision makers just firing Demps and Dumars just sliding in as president of BBall operations. That seems utterly irresponsible for an organization that are admitted novices making probably the most crucial decision they have ever made organizationally.
Like fine, you conduct a rigorous search and conduct several serious interviews and Dumars rises to the top. Fine, so be it. But this just screams of straight nepotism.
Joe was kind of Hinke'd out. It's one thing to demand more analytics from your FO it's another to hire staff and bring in Phil Jackson to OK your next coach...
The number 1 teams that use analytics to
Make decisions are the rockets, the Mavs, and the Sixers.
you can avoid glaring massive mistakes with analytics sometimes, but you're not building a solid team letting it be your driving force.
Kevin Love had a 120 ORTG, a +16 Net rating, and an insane 27 PER his last season in Minny.
By contrast, Klay had a 112 ORTG, a worse DRTG, and a PER of 14.
Analytics tells you to make that swap every single time. The Warriors didn't.
Make decisions are the rockets, the Mavs, and the Sixers.
you can avoid glaring massive mistakes with analytics sometimes, but you're not building a solid team letting it be your driving force.
Kevin Love had a 120 ORTG, a +16 Net rating, and an insane 27 PER his last season in Minny.
By contrast, Klay had a 112 ORTG, a worse DRTG, and a PER of 14.
Analytics tells you to make that swap every single time. The Warriors didn't.
By blackace Go To Postthe Spurs have a large Analytics staff and so does Det, phx and Washington
Spurs also have the best basketball mind in the entire business as a coach and probably the best GM too. The rest of the team's you mentioned are mediocre or worse.
By P S Y C H Go To PostRiley was using advanced stats before there was advanced stats. Spotify uses them heavy too.
Riley, another GOAT basketball mind all time.
By 3SidedPolygons Go To PostSpurs also have the best basketball mind in the entire business as a coach and probably the best GM too. The rest of the team's you mentioned are mediocre or worse.The Spurs basically started the trend
By 3SidedPolygons Go To PostThe number 1 teams that use analytics to
Make decisions are the rockets, the Mavs, and the Sixers.
you can avoid glaring massive mistakes with analytics sometimes, but you're not building a solid team letting it be your driving force.
Kevin Love had a 120 ORTG, a +16 Net rating, and an insane 27 PER his last season in Minny.
By contrast, Klay had a 112 ORTG, a worse DRTG, and a PER of 14.
Analytics tells you to make that swap every single time. The Warriors didn't.
GS and SA both have analytics running through the blood of their organizations.
GS's entire offensive awakening was centered around Kerr and Gentry using analytics to re-shape the teams offense and how they use their players.
Analytics are a tool, an ever-growing one. They clearly can't be relied on solely for decision-making, but they should at a minimum be present in decision-making.
to suggest that Spurs and Warriors are analytics teams is silly. They're no more analytics teams than Orlando, Houston, Philly, Phx, and a whole host of other mediocre teams.
The difference is you have amazing legendary basketball minds (pop and west) surrounded by insane talent.
Again, Analytics tells you to trade Klay and whoever for Love. Love was an analytics unicorn in that 2013-2014 season. He even had a lower DRTG than Klay. Warriors didn't. That wasn't an analytics move at all.
Those organizations use analytics, but all organizations do. Their success and competitive advantage isn't that they use MORE analytics, it's that they have better basketball minds in the room.
The difference is you have amazing legendary basketball minds (pop and west) surrounded by insane talent.
Again, Analytics tells you to trade Klay and whoever for Love. Love was an analytics unicorn in that 2013-2014 season. He even had a lower DRTG than Klay. Warriors didn't. That wasn't an analytics move at all.
Those organizations use analytics, but all organizations do. Their success and competitive advantage isn't that they use MORE analytics, it's that they have better basketball minds in the room.
By 3SidedPolygons Go To Postto suggest that Spurs and Warriors are analytics teams is silly. They're no more analytics teams than Orlando, Houston, Philly, Phx, and a whole host of other mediocre teams.
The difference is you have amazing legendary basketball minds (pop and west) surrounded by insane talent.
Again, Analytics tells you to trade Klay and whoever for Love. Love was an analytics unicorn in that 2013-2014 season. He even had a lower DRTG than Klay. Warriors didn't. That wasn't an analytics move at all.
Those organizations use analytics, but all organizations do. Their success and competitive advantage isn't that they use MORE analytics, it's that they have better basketball minds in the room.
Bolded is an incredible point!
GMs or FO who try to baseball their way in basketball can't win chips imo
You're assuming that the stats we have available was the only stuff the Warriors had at the time. Which is probably not a good assumption.
These orgs have much more sophisticated proprietary player rating models than we do. That's just a fact.
These orgs have much more sophisticated proprietary player rating models than we do. That's just a fact.
By 3SidedPolygons Go To Postto suggest that Spurs and Warriors are analytics teams is silly. They're no more analytics teams than Orlando, Houston, Philly, Phx, and a whole host of other mediocre teams.Can you actually back this up?
The difference is you have amazing legendary basketball minds (pop and west) surrounded by insane talent.
Again, Analytics tells you to trade Klay and whoever for Love. Love was an analytics unicorn in that 2013-2014 season. He even had a lower DRTG than Klay. Warriors didn't. That wasn't an analytics move at all.
Those organizations use analytics, but all organizations do. Their success and competitive advantage isn't that they use MORE analytics, it's that they have better basketball minds in the room.
Because most modern analytical thinking actually puts a really high value on what Thompson brings(position flexible on D, three point shooting, two-way player, capable passer, team orientated). Either way though, no one has argued other factors aren't weighed in decision-making. I mean even Morey signed Josh Smith twice.
And yes, they are very analytics driven teams. The Warriors were one of the first to introduce medical analytics and tracking and put heavy trust into it. The entire organization is analytically invested now, as pointed out, Warriors offense is like the textbook of modern analytical conclusions.
By blackace Go To PostBolded is an incredible point!What does this even mean? Both the Spurs and Warriors are literally operating systems that would be near textbook implementations of ideal analytical systems. Warriors especially. And they just won a chip and finished the season with the best record in history.
GMs or FO who try to baseball their way in basketball can't win chips imo