By 3SidedPolygons Go To PostI can't. First significant decision worth really criticizing him for imo. He lost a couple trades early on, but everyone loses some trades so that's small picture stuff. If he actually hires Rambis though long term, that's deserves all the criticism that goes his way unless and until Rambis proves he's a real good coach (which I have 0 faith in).the only positive I have heard is that Phil is way more hands on with Kurt..
The one thing I will say is, I'm not entirely sure this happens until it's a done deal. Phil's said a lot of things and then done a lot of other things so I'll wait till it happens
By knux-future Go To PostDragan Bender future is all but confirmed now.
dat wingspan doe.
I just want to be happy guys….why can't I?
Those cultish 6ers fans will now forever say 'what if Hinkie was allowed to exert his process to the fullest' this is not how I would have wanted Hinkie to leave if I were a Philly fan.
By vic Go To PostHe used a 1st pick for Primo Pasta…Why you think I specified Lowry
By blackace Go To Postthe only positive I have heard is that Phil is way more hands on with Kurt..Here's the funny thing: I'm sure this is to set up Phil coaching home games, so if you're a Knicks fan would you be ok with a puppet Kurt Rambis coaching 41 games if Phil Jackson is coaching the other 41? Back when Phil signed I'm sure every Knicks fan would've signed on for Phil being the coach... now I don't know about that unless you can say with any certainly that Kurt Rambis will strictly follow Phil's gameplan as a coach.
By The Frankman Go To PostHere's the funny thing: I'm sure this is to set up Phil coaching home games, so if you're a Knicks fan would you be ok with a puppet Kurt Rambis coaching 41 games if Phil Jackson is coaching the other 41? Back when Phil signed I'm sure every Knicks fan would've signed on for Phil being the coach… now I don't know about that unless you can say with any certainly that Kurt Rambis will strictly follow Phil's gameplan as a coach.
Here's the funny thing: *Insert scenario that has no basis in reality pulled straight from rectum*
By The Frankman Go To PostHinkie would've re-signed Bargs and Shved.We'd have like 3 more wins if Shved was on the roster. No lie.
*sobs uncontrollably*
By Moris Go To PostThose cultish 6ers fans will now forever say 'what if Hinkie was allowed to exert his process to the fullest' this is not how I would have wanted Hinkie to leave if I were a Philly fan.
this also sucks. If I got anything out of this shit it was supposed to be a definitive answer to "the process" ....can't even get that. Like if you were tired of the tanking (which I get...like a lot) then cool....but then why the fuck did you wait for the worst season ever before getting cold feet. I am honestly more disgusted w/ this season now because it could have all been avoided. Thanks for waking up assholes.
Bryan Colangelo doe? wtf....migh as well bring back Billy King. Fuck my shit all the way up.
I expected Hinkie leaving to be a happy day but all I feel now is that we will now try to rush shit...instead of staying the course, drafting prospects and go from there; that was what Hinkie finally HAD to do...but nope. "lets bring in more voices....despite that blowing up in our faces before with Doug Collins..heeeeerrrrppp" I hope this shitlord sells the team and fucks off to London and buy an NFL team. Eat dicks, Harris.
Told that the Celtics likely will pursue Durant, Perkins replied, "Boston and everybody else, right?" Later he added, "As a friend, I try not to talk to him too much about free agency. I always try to just want to talk to him about things outside of basketball. We talk about personal life and stuff like that. And I know he’s getting this question every day on the hour and stuff like that, so I try not to bother him.
"But he did shoot some teams out there that he made me sign a confidentiality form that I couldn’t tell nobody. He’s got a few teams that he will be looking at.”
Perkins was asked if he'd be surprised if Durant considered Boston.
"You’re trying to get me to really answer the question," Perkins said. "I can’t answer that. I want to, but I can’t. I mean, I don’t know. I do know, but I don’t know."
Perkins stressed that Oklahoma City's playoff performance this year likely will dictate Durant's decision.
"[The Thunder] win it all, he can’t leave, in my opinion," Perkins said. "But if they don’t, it might be time for a change."
Perkins on KD
Gondo like
By masud Go To PostWe'd have like 3 more wins if Shved was on the roster. No lie.
*sobs uncontrollably*
I love how Kerr and Walton aren't on that list. But Phil coaching tree coaching bad teams leads to bad results. Whatever, no one's interested in being objective in this debate, no point in re-hashing it.
By blackace Go To Postthe only positive I have heard is that Phil is way more hands on with Kurt..
Here's the thing. I get that nepotism is a part of the NBA. Jerry's about to hire his son. Byron is coaching the Lakers. Riley only hires coaches from his tree. Hinkie probably gets another job in Houston soon. This stuff is everywhere.
The problem I have is that the answer is so gotdamn simple. Convince Thibs to sign for 4 years. Spend one year teaching him the nuances of the Triangle, of which he already has a foundational understanding. Get one to two legit starter quality players to sign up in FA this summer.
Field a playoff caliber team next season with Porzingis in tow, no 1st round draft picks traded away, Thibs as coach, and a solid core of 5-7 players signed for the next few years and then come join Jeanie in LA. He'll leave NY in that scenario as a top 5 Knicks GM all time and get roundly cheered every time he goes back.
He's basically tying his GM legacy to Kurt Rambis. Fuck - why even take that risk?
By 3SidedPolygons Go To PostI love how Kerr and Walton aren't on that list. But Phil coaching tree coaching bad teams leads to bad results. Whatever, no one's interested in being objective in this debate, no point in re-hashing it.Walton's record is 0-0 and Kerr was never an assistant coach to Phil. All those guys in the pic have either been hired by Phil are have been on his coaching staff I believe.
John Gonzalez @gonzoCSNThe New Age of the Process.
League sources confirm Bryan Colangelo will be installed as Sixers new GM
By 3SidedPolygons Go To PostI love how Kerr and Walton aren't on that list. But Phil coaching tree coaching bad teams leads to bad results. Whatever, no one's interested in being objective in this debate, no point in re-hashing it.
Kerr played for him sure, but don't think that counts
By blackace Go To PostKerr played for him sure, but don't think that counts
The one Phil disciple getting a genuinely good team and doing amazing doesn't count? Sure it does. Not a single one of those guys on that list coached a good team. Not one.
By 3SidedPolygons Go To PostThe one Phil disciple getting a genuinely good team and doing amazing doesn't count? Sure it does. Not a single one of those guys on that list coached a good team. Not one.pretty sure it doesn't, you have to be an assistant for at least a year to be part of a coaching tree.
The most common way to make the distinction is if a coach worked as an assistant on a particular head coach's staff for at least a season then that coach can be counted as being a branch on the head coach's coaching tree. Coaching trees can also show philosophical influence from one head coach to an assistant.
By 3SidedPolygons Go To PostThe one Phil disciple getting a genuinely good team and doing amazing doesn't count? Sure it does. Not a single one of those guys on that list coached a good team. Not one.Every other coach on that list coached under Phil...
I mean besides he played for Pop too for 4 years... and Lenny Wilkins for 4.. But he is a disciple of Phil because...?
By blackace Go To PostEvery other coach on that list coached under Phil…
I mean besides he played for Pop too for 4 years… and Lenny Wilkins for 4.. But he is a disciple of Phil because…?
Fisher didn't coach under Phil technically. Kerr's obviously part of his tree, and like many other former players, he's part of multiple trees.
Anyway, this argument is kind of irrelevant. We've seen HOF coaches have horrible losing records when given shit teams and then turn around and win chips when given good ones. Look at Doc before and after the Boston big 3 trade. Look at Karl now vs. Karl with GP and the Sonics. D'Antoni in Phx vs. in NY and LAL in the lean years.
Every one of those coaches took on really bad jobs with the understanding that they'd be around for the long haul. It doesn't say anything about his coaching tree other than that they haven't been given good jobs and lo and behold the two guys who got a great job did legendarily well. But it busts the narrative so, no need to include it.
I don't think someone like Rambis or Fisher or Shaw would have losing records if given a top 10 team in the league for 5 years. It's just a misleading stat that implies more than it really should.
By Kibner Go To PostHow are these Celtics failing to put away this struggle Pelicans squad?don't jinx it
By 3SidedPolygons Go To PostFisher didn't coach under Phil technically. Kerr's obviously part of his tree, and like many other former players, he's part of multiple trees.but Fisher was hired and groomed by Phil so he is added to the tree. If Fish coached say the Thunder he wouldn't be on that list... Coaching trees don't really work like that...
But looking at Kerr's influences you can see why he is amazing..
3SP is right in the sense that Derek Fisher never coached under Phil as a HEAD COACH. In that sense then Kerr would count, but a lot of Kerr's plays are modeled after his experience and I think it's more modeled after Popovich and the things he saw in Phoenix.
I mean there is definitely a reason why they made the picture the way it is, to send a particular message and connotation. 3SP is not wrong, but it doesn't really help Phil Jackson case when the only (2) person under him as either staff or player do well.
Golden State is a good team now in retrospect, I thought they were a good team that could do it in 2013 and 2014, injuries withstanding... But back in 2013, 2014 3SP did you think Golden State was a good team or talented enough? In those years all people talked about was Miami, Spurs, Pacers, OKC.
It is not like it matters, I don't think any of those people on Phil's coach tree would have done well even with a talented team.
I mean there is definitely a reason why they made the picture the way it is, to send a particular message and connotation. 3SP is not wrong, but it doesn't really help Phil Jackson case when the only (2) person under him as either staff or player do well.
Golden State is a good team now in retrospect, I thought they were a good team that could do it in 2013 and 2014, injuries withstanding... But back in 2013, 2014 3SP did you think Golden State was a good team or talented enough? In those years all people talked about was Miami, Spurs, Pacers, OKC.
It is not like it matters, I don't think any of those people on Phil's coach tree would have done well even with a talented team.
Tom Haberstroh @tomhaberstrohUm.. wut?
The list of non-basketball people that Sam Hinkie cites/quotes in his 13-page resignation letter obtained by ESPN:
By ErikHoestra Go To Postdon't jinx itI'm just happy it's a competitive game. Honestly don't care whether any of the rest of the games this season are won or lost.
By vic Go To PostUm.. wut?
It is his way of saying that he is an innovator and pushed boundaries. That the Sixers and NBA are slandering his genius.
I do not really believe this.
By shun Go To Post3SP is right in the sense that Derek Fisher never coached under Phil as a HEAD COACH. In that sense then Kerr would count, but a lot of Kerr's plays are modeled after his experience and I think it's more modeled after Popovich and the things he saw in Phoenix.
I mean there is definitely a reason why they made the picture the way it is, to send a particular message and connotation. 3SP is not wrong, but it doesn't really help Phil Jackson case when the only (2) person under him as either staff or player do well.
Golden State is a good team now in retrospect, I thought they were a good team that could do it in 2013 and 2014, injuries withstanding… But back in 2013, 2014 3SP did you think Golden State was a good team or talented enough? In those years all people talked about was Miami, Spurs, Pacers, OKC.
It is not like it matters, I don't think any of those people on Phil's coach tree would have done well even with a talented team.
1) GS was obviously a multiple playoff team on the rise - and Kerr/Walton showed that they're really good if not hyper elite coaches.
2) I'm not sure about the older guys, but I'm damn confident that Fisher and Shaw, given 4 years on a solid playoff team end up with winning records easily.
3) That isn't to say, that for example, Thibs and many others aren't better than every coach on that list. But Doc finished 24-58 in 2007, and then one year later won a chip. Having a shit record on an objectively ass team doesn't say much about the coach's ability - I mean, fuck, people been saying that Brett Brown is a good coach for years now. His record is worse than everyone's on that list.
4) GS has the best back court in the nba and the best shooting backcourt ever. They have 7 guys that shoot at 40% or above from 3. And exactly 0 pure post big men. It's obvious that they shouldn't run the triangle, but their stuff is infinitely more philosophically based off of Phil and Pop - who are essentially identical in philosophy in X's and O's but just use different play designs, than it is D'Antoni. If Kerr was a D'Antoni disciple, Curry would be getting 14 assists a game at this point.
I don't know anything -anything at all - about basketball, so can someone explain what 'the process' is and why this decision is a bad idea? My twitter seems to have blown up over it.
By Punished Go To PostI don't know anything -anything at all - about basketball, so can someone explain what 'the process' is and why this decision is a bad idea? My twitter seems to have blown up over it.lol we don't know also
By blackace Go To Postlol we don't know alsolmao, great answer
By Punished Go To PostI don't know anything -anything at all - about basketball, so can someone explain what 'the process' is and why this decision is a bad idea? My twitter seems to have blown up over it.in the nba young and upcoming college players have to enter the draft to come into the league, they can't just choose a team they want to play for. bad teams get the first pick which means they get the best guys in order to create a power balance and not have a single team rack up all the good players like bayern or barca. the general manager of the Philadelphia 76ers just exploited that system by trying to lose as many games as possible in order to get a ton of good young players before going all in and trying to compete. "Trust the process" was their way to convince the fan to stick with them while they were a historically bad NBA team for multiple seasons with the outlook of reaping the benefits in a few years. There is no relegation so they could've done this for years and years.
today the general manager, the so called mastermind behind this plan stepped down while they were still not done being bad and now fans don't know what will happen with a horrible team and still no real superstar. are they abandoning the plan and was the years of sucking for nothing, will the new guy fuck it all up?
By Punished Go To PostI don't know anything -anything at all - about basketball, so can someone explain what 'the process' is and why this decision is a bad idea? My twitter seems to have blown up over it.This mofo construct 3 worst team in history intentionally for the "process" that the result can't be even seen the glimpse yet
By Punished Go To PostI don't know anything -anything at all - about basketball, so can someone explain what 'the process' is and why this decision is a bad idea? My twitter seems to have blown up over it.In general, you need one or more superstars to win a championship. The easiest way for a free agent market like Philly is to draft one. The process was about maximizing the chance you will get to draft that caliber of player.
The Sixers tanked for three years and haven't found that player, yet (though the draft for this latest tanking season hasn't taken place).
By fertygo Go To PostThis mofo construct 3 worst team in history intentionally for the "process" that the result can't be even seen the glimpse yetActually still not as bad a three year run as two other NBA franchises. :v
By Dipro Go To Postin the nba young and upcoming college players have to enter the draft to come into the league, they can't just choose a team they want to play for. bad teams get the first pick which means they get the best guys in order to create a power balance and not have a single team rack up all the good players like bayern or barca. the general manager of the Philadelphia 76ers just exploited that system by trying to lose as many games as possible in order to get a ton of good young players before going all in and trying to compete. "Trust the process" was their way to convince the fan to stick with them while they were a historically bad NBA team for multiple seasons with the outlook of reaping the benefits in a few years. There is no relegation so they could've done this for years and years.
today the general manager, the so called mastermind behind this plan stepped down while they were still not done being bad and now fans don't know what will happen with a horrible team and still no real superstar.
By fertygo Go To PostThis mofo construct 3 worst team in history intentionally for the "process" that the result can't be even seen the glimpse yethahahaha
By masud Go To PostI'd still rather be a 6er fan. StillNo you don't.
I live in Philly and I can tell you with certainty: No you don't.
By IWMTB19 Go To PostHere's the funny thing: *Insert scenario that has no basis in reality pulled straight from rectum*http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2016/3/15/10924086/phil-jackson-knicks-coach-kurt-rambis
By HasphatsAnts Go To PostA fire take on hinkie: http://www.sportingnews.com/nba-news/4701103-sam-hinkie-resigns-philadelphia-76ers-sixers-jerry-colangelo-bryan
By Kabro Go To Post
it's lit
By HasphatsAnts Go To PostA fire take on hinkie: http://www.sportingnews.com/nba-news/4701103-sam-hinkie-resigns-philadelphia-76ers-sixers-jerry-colangelo-bryan
Losing Hinkie — and this likely will be his last chance for a long time to run a franchise — is a loss for all of us, though. He’s a loss for the Sixers fans who truly trusted in his “Process.” He’s a loss for all the teams in the league who thought they would pull one over on the nerd without realizing they were the ones being hoodwinked in the long term. He’s a loss for the NBA Development League and all the players hoping for next contracts.
