Kyrie already in a walking boot
LeBron and Love are going to get kidnapped in brazil
The dream is dead.
LeBron and Love are going to get kidnapped in brazil
The dream is dead.
Kyrie already in a walking bootwhen did he get hurt?
LeBron and Love are going to get kidnapped in brazil
The dream is dead.
Celtics winning the pre-season chip. I wish Stevens had actual talent to work with :|
Why isn't James Young playing?
Celtics winning the pre-season chip. I wish Stevens had actual talent to work with :|Smart doe, did aight breh.
Celtics winning the pre-season chip. I wish Stevens had actual talent to work with :|
Why isn't James Young playing?
Already injured his hammy. He seems like the better of the 2 picks too..
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Faze, it may be that it's preseason so he doesn't view it as a major deal. Also (and a bigger issue), he may be finally relaxing the rule.
also ESPN you morons... this is not a controversial issue. Stop fanning imaginary flames. There's nothing wrong with what Nik Stauskas said.
also ESPN you morons... this is not a controversial issue. Stop fanning imaginary flames. There's nothing wrong with what Nik Stauskas said.
Apparently McGary and Adams looked really good last night against Denver.
Also, apparently Jeremy Lamb did not.
Also, apparently Jeremy Lamb did not.
DALLAS – Mavericks owner Mark Cuban believes the idea of doing away with maximum contracts, as suggested by Oklahoma City Thunder star Kevin Durant, could be considered by the league, as long as players are willing to give up something significant in return.
"If you give up guarantees, it's a trade-off," Cuban said before Tuesday night's preseason opener against the Houston Rockets.
Cuban mentioned a system similar to the NFL's in which guaranteed money is part of negotiations for each contract. NBA contracts are fully guaranteed unless the parties agree on other terms.
http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/id/11661848/mark-cuban-dallas-mavericks-says-nba-look-nixing-max-contracts
Would you guys want a league with no maxes but ability to cut players at any moment?
Yes, that would be a perfect system.
But that wouldn't be a tradeoff for 90% of the players. That would be two losing propositions for all non-max level players.
But that wouldn't be a tradeoff for 90% of the players. That would be two losing propositions for all non-max level players.
Chris Bosh said he hasn't spoken to LeBron James since the latter opted to sign with the Cavaliers.Bosh gonna be the new Mo Williams.
As he prepared to face his old teammate in Saturday's preseason game in Rio de Janeiro, Bosh didn't sound all that nostalgic when the subject of LeBron was brought up. "I'm in the mode where I'm trying to lead my team, help these guys out around here," he said. "If guys aren't in this locker room, I don't have much time for them – if any."
DALLAS – Mavericks owner Mark Cuban believes the idea of doing away with maximum contracts, as suggested by Oklahoma City Thunder star Kevin Durant, could be considered by the league, as long as players are willing to give up something significant in return.
"If you give up guarantees, it's a trade-off," Cuban said before Tuesday night's preseason opener against the Houston Rockets.
Cuban mentioned a system similar to the NFL's in which guaranteed money is part of negotiations for each contract. NBA contracts are fully guaranteed unless the parties agree on other terms.
http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/id/11661848/mark-cuban-dallas-mavericks-says-nba-look-nixing-max-contracts
Would you guys want a league with no maxes but ability to cut players at any moment?
Nope. As IWMTB said, that would be a horrible deal for all non-max level players. It would also mean that ownership groups and FO's never have to worry about making mistakes. Any bad deal they do, they can just wipe away. There's no accountability or motivation to make smart decisions and it makes players taking lesser roles for the betterment of the team practically a thing of the past.
Let's all stop thinking of ourselves as GM's and the NBA as a fantasy league with no effect on players' livelihoods.
Edit: This isn't the NFL. There aren't 1,500 players - 95% of whom can and do suffer serious injuries during any lengthy contract because of the nature of the sport.
There are something like 400 players - the VAST majority of which are healthy enough to play 65+ games a year.
Jeremy Lamb experiment is over.You heard it here first folks.
He sucks.
A bad preseason game and it's time to write off his career at only 22 years old.
For what it's worth, Reggie Jackson played like shit too. Roberson might as well be penciled in as the starting 2 guard at this point.
(Honestly though, I'd be OK with Perry Jones playing more. No reason he can't be effective off the bench.)
Gondo already moved onto Andre Roberson.They can both be good. The test for Brooks this season will be pulling a Pop and letting the young guys grow their confidence and play through mistakes. No more Caron Butler or Derek Fisher to steal their minutes.
Dammit why doesn't Portland broadcast their pre-season games?
You heard it here first folks.If you suck in your 3rd summer league.. you kind of just suck.
A bad preseason game and it's time to write off his career at only 22 years old.
For what it's worth, Reggie Jackson played like shit too. Roberson might as well be penciled in as the starting 2 guard at this point.
If you suck in your 3rd summer league.. you kind of just suck.He was pretty decent in the first couple of months last season.
A big part of the problem is that he benefits from extended time on the floor with the ball in his hands. He's more of a playmaker and facilitator than a spot-up shooter. When he's just expected to put up threes, I think he puts too much pressure on himself instead of just playing.
How's the Triangle looking Knicks-age.It depends on who is playing center. I will say that they seem to be experimenting with all the bigs in the post running it. Aldridge looked great running it, Amar'e ok.
I watched a little bit of the end of the second and beginning of the third quarter and I noticed some things running the Triangle which were pretty bad. To be expected the first pre-season game though...
- They weren't good at getting it to the first option (entry pass into the big in the post on the strong side...unless Melo is on the weakside pinch post and they want to isolate for him)
- The triangle is supposed to reset on the opposite side once cutters go cross court and fill the spots, but they never did this.
- They rarely got to the ball to the corner to initiate the screen roll action.
- Often times they just passed to the guard on the weakside to run the 2 man game (give and go, pnr, pinch post entry pass) without trying to do anything on the strong side.
- Anytime the triangle was broken they just resorted to basic iso or pnr, they were never able to reset it.
I saw ONE play where Melo did an entry bounce pass to Amare in the strong side post, Amare took one dribble, got to the rim and drew the foul. That's the first option in the offense and only Melo was patient enough to allow Amare to seal and give him a bounce pass....
This is going to be painful to watch Knicks-age...you can expect 20+ TO's for quite a while
The Golden State Warriors and Klay Thompson are $2-3 million per year apart in discussions for a contract extension, according to sources.
Thompson is seeking a maximum salary contract – or close to it – while the Warriors are hovering around a deal of $13 million per year.
The Warriors have until Oct. 31 to extend Thompson.
Thompson was involved in trade speculation with Kevin Love in the offseason.
i'm shocked they didnt just offer the max from jump
DALLAS – Mavericks owner Mark Cuban believes the idea of doing away with maximum contracts, as suggested by Oklahoma City Thunder star Kevin Durant, could be considered by the league, as long as players are willing to give up something significant in return.
"If you give up guarantees, it's a trade-off," Cuban said before Tuesday night's preseason opener against the Houston Rockets.
Cuban mentioned a system similar to the NFL's in which guaranteed money is part of negotiations for each contract. NBA contracts are fully guaranteed unless the parties agree on other terms.
http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/id/11661848/mark-cuban-dallas-mavericks-says-nba-look-nixing-max-contracts
Would you guys want a league with no maxes but ability to cut players at any moment?
i would want no part of this. It wouldn't be fair to the players.
All it does is give GMs a get out of jail free card. More dumb contracts, none of the downsides.
A max for Klay won't look so bad in a couple years when the new CBA max contracts start rolling in.The Golden State Warriors and Klay Thompson are $2-3 million per year apart in discussions for a contract extension, according to sources.
Thompson is seeking a maximum salary contract – or close to it – while the Warriors are hovering around a deal of $13 million per year.
The Warriors have until Oct. 31 to extend Thompson.
Thompson was involved in trade speculation with Kevin Love in the offseason.
i'm shocked they didnt just offer the max from jump
That's part of the reason I think we should give Reggie $10 million... Sure it's a risk, but I think it'll look pretty fair in 3-4 years.
I don't understand these ESPN rankings.
Jimmy Butler is ranked worse this year than last, and they still have Jimmy Butler ranked better than Wesley Matthews? Like, at what?
Jimmy Butler is ranked worse this year than last, and they still have Jimmy Butler ranked better than Wesley Matthews? Like, at what?
I watched a little bit of the end of the second and beginning of the third quarter and I noticed some things running the Triangle which were pretty bad. To be expected the first pre-season game though…Yep, I remember that play with Amar'e, I think since he was involved in the D'Antoni offense he'll be ok, and even Carmelo admits his touches will be easier. But guys like JR Smith, Shumpert, whoever the Knick Center is (best defender is Dalembert but he's no passer)... I can see Fisher saying "fuck it" and doing a bastardized version of the triangle early in the season. The problem is they don't know who will start for them yet... so how can they practice it fully and gain chemistry?
- They weren't good at getting it to the first option (entry pass into the big in the post on the strong side…unless Melo is on the weakside pinch post and they want to isolate for him)
- The triangle is supposed to reset on the opposite side once cutters go cross court and fill the spots, but they never did this.
- They rarely got to the ball to the corner to initiate the screen roll action.
- Often times they just passed to the guard on the weakside to run the 2 man game (give and go, pnr, pinch post entry pass) without trying to do anything on the strong side.
- Anytime the triangle was broken they just resorted to basic iso or pnr, they were never able to reset it.
I saw ONE play where Melo did an entry bounce pass to Amare in the strong side post, Amare took one dribble, got to the rim and drew the foul. That's the first option in the offense and only Melo was patient enough to allow Amare to seal and give him a bounce pass….
This is going to be painful to watch Knicks-age…you can expect 20+ TO's for quite a while
I watched a little bit of the end of the second and beginning of the third quarter and I noticed some things running the Triangle which were pretty bad. To be expected the first pre-season game though…Yep, I remember that play with Amar'e, I think since he was involved in the D'Antoni offense he'll be ok, and even Carmelo admits his touches will be easier. But guys like JR Smith, Shumpert, whoever the Knick Center is (best defender is Dalembert but he's no passer)… I can see Fisher saying "fuck it" and doing a bastardized version of the triangle early in the season. The problem is they don't know who will start for them yet… so how can they practice it fully and gain chemistry?
- They weren't good at getting it to the first option (entry pass into the big in the post on the strong side…unless Melo is on the weakside pinch post and they want to isolate for him)
- The triangle is supposed to reset on the opposite side once cutters go cross court and fill the spots, but they never did this.
- They rarely got to the ball to the corner to initiate the screen roll action.
- Often times they just passed to the guard on the weakside to run the 2 man game (give and go, pnr, pinch post entry pass) without trying to do anything on the strong side.
- Anytime the triangle was broken they just resorted to basic iso or pnr, they were never able to reset it.
I saw ONE play where Melo did an entry bounce pass to Amare in the strong side post, Amare took one dribble, got to the rim and drew the foul. That's the first option in the offense and only Melo was patient enough to allow Amare to seal and give him a bounce pass….
This is going to be painful to watch Knicks-age…you can expect 20+ TO's for quite a while
Luckily you don't need a great center to run the Triangle. It helps, and makes it elite, but Jordan never had one and Kwame/Mihm/Teenage Bynum sucked at everything too.
you do need "penetration with the pass" though, and that means the ball has to get to the block as often as possible so the right cuts and reads can be made. I see them almost exclusively using Amare/Melo on the blocks and Tolliver and Bargs on the perimeter for the catch and shoot 3's if their traditional C's aren't able to be effective passing and scoring from that spot.
Yesterday's pre-season game wasn't the fault of trying the triangle. It was overall awful ball handling - half of the 20 turnovers were no-dribble or no-pass steals that were simply knocked out of someone's hands who stopped movement. Nobody was protecting the ball. Take those out, and you have the typical ~10 TO per game for this team. Easier said that done, of course.
Then you had the typical jokers jacking up 3s - the team took way too many, imo, sometimes even settling for them. Quincy Acy also has no business shooting the ball or trying to move with it.
Cleanthony Early does indeed have awful handling, he was swiped at least 3 or 4 times alone.
Amare looked solid.
Bargnani (shockingly) looked competent, but he blew a few defensive plays, some of which were just downright dumb.
Dalembert had a few moments here and there, but he's showing considerable age.
That Travis Wear kid was...surprisingly really good.
But overall, it looked like the team needed to move around a bit more without the ball.
Then you had the typical jokers jacking up 3s - the team took way too many, imo, sometimes even settling for them. Quincy Acy also has no business shooting the ball or trying to move with it.
Cleanthony Early does indeed have awful handling, he was swiped at least 3 or 4 times alone.
Amare looked solid.
Bargnani (shockingly) looked competent, but he blew a few defensive plays, some of which were just downright dumb.
Dalembert had a few moments here and there, but he's showing considerable age.
That Travis Wear kid was...surprisingly really good.
But overall, it looked like the team needed to move around a bit more without the ball.
Reggie Jackson is also trash.Jeremy Lamb experiment is over.You heard it here first folks.
He sucks.
A bad preseason game and it's time to write off his career at only 22 years old.
For what it's worth, Reggie Jackson played like shit too. Roberson might as well be penciled in as the starting 2 guard at this point.
(Honestly though, I'd be OK with Perry Jones playing more. No reason he can't be effective off the bench.)Gondo already moved onto Andre Roberson.They can both be good. The test for Brooks this season will be pulling a Pop and letting the young guys grow their confidence and play through mistakes. No more Caron Butler or Derek Fisher to steal their minutes.
SuperCool heading to China because he's not good enough for an NBA team.
please tell me i wasnt the only one who thought derrick williams was amazing
please
Reggie Jackson is also trash.Your posts are always so nuanced and insightful. I also appreciate that you take the time to back up your opinions with evidence.
Luckily you don't need a great center to run the Triangle. It helps, and makes it elite, but Jordan never had one and Kwame/Mihm/Teenage Bynum sucked at everything too.You don't need a great center, but you do need a center who's somewhat of a threat to shoot/pass well. Dalembert isn't exactly a passer or shooter, and while Jason Smith might be the best shooting big on the team he's a PF exclusively. Shaq was deadly in the triangle not only due to him being Shaq, he was a fantastic passer. It's why the lineup combinations the Knicks run out there will be very difficult.
you do need "penetration with the pass" though, and that means the ball has to get to the block as often as possible so the right cuts and reads can be made. I see them almost exclusively using Amare/Melo on the blocks and Tolliver and Bargs on the perimeter for the catch and shoot 3's if their traditional C's aren't able to be effective passing and scoring from that spot.
Yesterday's pre-season game wasn't the fault of trying the triangle. It was overall awful ball handling - half of the 20 turnovers were no-dribble or no-pass steals that were simply knocked out of someone's hands who stopped movement. Nobody was protecting the ball. Take those out, and you have the typical ~10 TO per game for this team. Easier said that done, of course.I think it'll be bigger than that. Obviously we won't be able to tell until the final preseason game, but they're thinking too much out there. I'm not going to analyze their play after 1 preseason game, all I want to see is them work on certain things... Early's role is to learn the corner 3, Amar'e is to stay healthy, Bargs is to keep the bench warm, etc.
Then you had the typical jokers jacking up 3s - the team took way too many, imo, sometimes even settling for them. Quincy Acy also has no business shooting the ball or trying to move with it.
Cleanthony Early does indeed have awful handling, he was swiped at least 3 or 4 times alone.
Amare looked solid.
Bargnani (shockingly) looked competent, but he blew a few defensive plays, some of which were just downright dumb.
Dalembert had a few moments here and there, but he's showing considerable age.
That Travis Wear kid was…surprisingly really good.
But overall, it looked like the team needed to move around a bit more without the ball.
Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
Beasley is signing with the Shanghai Sharks, owned by Yao Ming.
LET'S GO SHARKS
LET'S GO SHARKS
LET'S GO SHARKS
SuperCool heading to China because he's not good enough for an NBA team.
He'll show you
This just proves once and for all what we all know…
Gallo >>> Beasley
Has Gallo ever appeared in the NBA Finals?
Nope.
Beasley >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gallo
Thunder, and Thunder fans need to start getting realistic about their team and roster. Stop all this pie in sky fantasy that they'll remain young forever and everyone on the tem has room for growth.
KD: The only untradeable player.
Ibaka: Less replaceable than YNB. Just because of the sheer depth in the Guard play maker department in the league. Not because Ibaka is some special unique talent.
Though his post defense was a lot better this year in the play offs, he still tends to gamble on weakside defense, and his offense is stuck at "shooting jumpers". Some of that is on brooks. Some of it is on the make up of the other players. Ibaka needs to be a bigger threat.He's getting you 15 & 9 plus 2.7 blocks whilst shooting at good to really good percentages. Offensively he's worse than Milsap, defensively better. But he's ~ that level.
YNB: Lots written about him already. I'll leave it a lone suffice to say this, he wouldn't be "un-tradable" to me. In fact, he's the guy I'd be looking to package for a move to round out a more balanced roster.
Steven Adams: Guy coming off his rookie year who showed in his first year that he could be a 15mpg starter at best and that's about it.He's bit of a goon, but every team needs part of that. He's not shown anything that says he'll be a 30mpg player though. But only a 2nd year guy and only 21.
Perry Jones: 2 years in the league. Not shown a whole lot other than athleticism. Team option next year. Qualifying Option the one after. He's more of that hybrid SF/PF. Behind Ibaka / KD he's not getting a ton of time. He's replaceable, but worth keeping around because of his rookie contract. But unless i'm getting him on like a 5M per contract (by current salary scales) I'm happy to see him go. Continuity counts, but over paying hurts.
Jeremy Lamb:Same contract situation at Perry Jones. But he needs to show something this year. He's been mediocre. Playing ~20mpg in a bench role, not shown anything that makes you think he'll be better as a starter, decidedly NBA average percentages (against bench units). Saw his time dive in the play offs.
If he's really, as Gondo wants to say, more of a play maker ball handler, then he really is replaceable. With Durant / YNB / Reggie Jackson / Telfair - the Thunder don't really have room for another ball dominant player. The thunder were desperate for him to turn into Aaron Afflalo, but he just isn't.
At this point, I'm not sure I'd be wanting to keep him after his rookie contract, you could just get another rookie and split his minutes out fairly easily.
Reggie Jackson: Last guaranteed year. Up for an extension. Was very feast or famine in the play offs. Has made a leap from his 2nd year, some of it from purely getting more minutes (previously a 14mpg playe, 13-14 28mpg), but some of those numbers are now coming against other teams starters. Though his percentages were better, overall they went from bleh to ok. And some of that minutes in crease was from all the game time YNB missed with injury last year.
He's important because of all the wing/guard depth OKC have thrown away over the years and are now starting to look... not deep. Add in injury concerns to YNB, and Jackson starts to become somewhat more important to the teams depth situation and continuity should YNB go down again. He can and does play on the floor with YNB too.
Reggie is probably the one out of their young guys they need to keep the most, with injury concerns and time management for YNB in mind. Particularly as there is no thabo this year, so thabo's 26mpg have to be distributed out to other players.But he also makes YNB tradeable for multiple other positions. He gives them that flexibility. And there is the need for continuity there. He knows what ever horrible offensive schemes brooks has in place, and at this point is the best situated to keep them going. If he can make some more strides with his shooting he'll be valuable to them.
The No Thabo thing though means that if Lamb isn't getting more than 15mpg this year, even the Thunder don't think he's going to play out. Cause it means Morrow has consumed all those minutes. Morrow may just be better for the team dynamic anyway.
KD: The only untradeable player.
Ibaka: Less replaceable than YNB. Just because of the sheer depth in the Guard play maker department in the league. Not because Ibaka is some special unique talent.
Though his post defense was a lot better this year in the play offs, he still tends to gamble on weakside defense, and his offense is stuck at "shooting jumpers". Some of that is on brooks. Some of it is on the make up of the other players. Ibaka needs to be a bigger threat.He's getting you 15 & 9 plus 2.7 blocks whilst shooting at good to really good percentages. Offensively he's worse than Milsap, defensively better. But he's ~ that level.
YNB: Lots written about him already. I'll leave it a lone suffice to say this, he wouldn't be "un-tradable" to me. In fact, he's the guy I'd be looking to package for a move to round out a more balanced roster.
Steven Adams: Guy coming off his rookie year who showed in his first year that he could be a 15mpg starter at best and that's about it.He's bit of a goon, but every team needs part of that. He's not shown anything that says he'll be a 30mpg player though. But only a 2nd year guy and only 21.
Perry Jones: 2 years in the league. Not shown a whole lot other than athleticism. Team option next year. Qualifying Option the one after. He's more of that hybrid SF/PF. Behind Ibaka / KD he's not getting a ton of time. He's replaceable, but worth keeping around because of his rookie contract. But unless i'm getting him on like a 5M per contract (by current salary scales) I'm happy to see him go. Continuity counts, but over paying hurts.
Jeremy Lamb:Same contract situation at Perry Jones. But he needs to show something this year. He's been mediocre. Playing ~20mpg in a bench role, not shown anything that makes you think he'll be better as a starter, decidedly NBA average percentages (against bench units). Saw his time dive in the play offs.
If he's really, as Gondo wants to say, more of a play maker ball handler, then he really is replaceable. With Durant / YNB / Reggie Jackson / Telfair - the Thunder don't really have room for another ball dominant player. The thunder were desperate for him to turn into Aaron Afflalo, but he just isn't.
At this point, I'm not sure I'd be wanting to keep him after his rookie contract, you could just get another rookie and split his minutes out fairly easily.
Reggie Jackson: Last guaranteed year. Up for an extension. Was very feast or famine in the play offs. Has made a leap from his 2nd year, some of it from purely getting more minutes (previously a 14mpg playe, 13-14 28mpg), but some of those numbers are now coming against other teams starters. Though his percentages were better, overall they went from bleh to ok. And some of that minutes in crease was from all the game time YNB missed with injury last year.
He's important because of all the wing/guard depth OKC have thrown away over the years and are now starting to look... not deep. Add in injury concerns to YNB, and Jackson starts to become somewhat more important to the teams depth situation and continuity should YNB go down again. He can and does play on the floor with YNB too.
Reggie is probably the one out of their young guys they need to keep the most, with injury concerns and time management for YNB in mind. Particularly as there is no thabo this year, so thabo's 26mpg have to be distributed out to other players.But he also makes YNB tradeable for multiple other positions. He gives them that flexibility. And there is the need for continuity there. He knows what ever horrible offensive schemes brooks has in place, and at this point is the best situated to keep them going. If he can make some more strides with his shooting he'll be valuable to them.
The No Thabo thing though means that if Lamb isn't getting more than 15mpg this year, even the Thunder don't think he's going to play out. Cause it means Morrow has consumed all those minutes. Morrow may just be better for the team dynamic anyway.
I watched a little bit of the end of the second and beginning of the third quarter and I noticed some things running the Triangle which were pretty bad. To be expected the first pre-season game though…Yep, I remember that play with Amar'e, I think since he was involved in the D'Antoni offense he'll be ok, and even Carmelo admits his touches will be easier. But guys like JR Smith, Shumpert, whoever the Knick Center is (best defender is Dalembert but he's no passer)… I can see Fisher saying "fuck it" and doing a bastardized version of the triangle early in the season. The problem is they don't know who will start for them yet… so how can they practice it fully and gain chemistry?
- They weren't good at getting it to the first option (entry pass into the big in the post on the strong side…unless Melo is on the weakside pinch post and they want to isolate for him)
- The triangle is supposed to reset on the opposite side once cutters go cross court and fill the spots, but they never did this.
- They rarely got to the ball to the corner to initiate the screen roll action.
- Often times they just passed to the guard on the weakside to run the 2 man game (give and go, pnr, pinch post entry pass) without trying to do anything on the strong side.
- Anytime the triangle was broken they just resorted to basic iso or pnr, they were never able to reset it.
I saw ONE play where Melo did an entry bounce pass to Amare in the strong side post, Amare took one dribble, got to the rim and drew the foul. That's the first option in the offense and only Melo was patient enough to allow Amare to seal and give him a bounce pass….
This is going to be painful to watch Knicks-age…you can expect 20+ TO's for quite a while
Luckily you don't need a great center to run the Triangle. It helps, and makes it elite, but Jordan never had one and Kwame/Mihm/Teenage Bynum sucked at everything too.
you do need "penetration with the pass" though, and that means the ball has to get to the block as often as possible so the right cuts and reads can be made. I see them almost exclusively using Amare/Melo on the blocks and Tolliver and Bargs on the perimeter for the catch and shoot 3's if their traditional C's aren't able to be effective passing and scoring from that spot.
Jordan had great PFs tho.... you need a real quality big to win with the triangle. Gasol was that bigfor Kobe after Shaq left..
I watched a little bit of the end of the second and beginning of the third quarter and I noticed some things running the Triangle which were pretty bad. To be expected the first pre-season game though…Yep, I remember that play with Amar'e, I think since he was involved in the D'Antoni offense he'll be ok, and even Carmelo admits his touches will be easier. But guys like JR Smith, Shumpert, whoever the Knick Center is (best defender is Dalembert but he's no passer)… I can see Fisher saying "fuck it" and doing a bastardized version of the triangle early in the season. The problem is they don't know who will start for them yet… so how can they practice it fully and gain chemistry?
- They weren't good at getting it to the first option (entry pass into the big in the post on the strong side…unless Melo is on the weakside pinch post and they want to isolate for him)
- The triangle is supposed to reset on the opposite side once cutters go cross court and fill the spots, but they never did this.
- They rarely got to the ball to the corner to initiate the screen roll action.
- Often times they just passed to the guard on the weakside to run the 2 man game (give and go, pnr, pinch post entry pass) without trying to do anything on the strong side.
- Anytime the triangle was broken they just resorted to basic iso or pnr, they were never able to reset it.
I saw ONE play where Melo did an entry bounce pass to Amare in the strong side post, Amare took one dribble, got to the rim and drew the foul. That's the first option in the offense and only Melo was patient enough to allow Amare to seal and give him a bounce pass….
This is going to be painful to watch Knicks-age…you can expect 20+ TO's for quite a while
Luckily you don't need a great center to run the Triangle. It helps, and makes it elite, but Jordan never had one and Kwame/Mihm/Teenage Bynum sucked at everything too.
you do need "penetration with the pass" though, and that means the ball has to get to the block as often as possible so the right cuts and reads can be made. I see them almost exclusively using Amare/Melo on the blocks and Tolliver and Bargs on the perimeter for the catch and shoot 3's if their traditional C's aren't able to be effective passing and scoring from that spot.
Jordan had great PFs tho…. you need a real quality big to win with the triangle. Gasol was that bigfor Kobe after Shaq left..
I guess I should have expounded on that more. A GREAT big and a great perimeter force in the Triangle makes you an elite team if it's run properly and the role players are there. But the Knicks this year can be entirely serviceable and a playoff team without a great C.
I do think Amare, if healthy, can be a big enough threat in that position to make it work, and of course you can always just put Melo down there.
My overall point was that with Melo/Amare/Bargs/Tolliver/Dalembert they have enough shooting/post threats to run it effectively. They'll need a true skilled big to become Elite probably, but they'll be a playoff team and be effective with that core of bigs. (I put Melo in there cuz his post game is pretty damn good)
I watched a little bit of the end of the second and beginning of the third quarter and I noticed some things running the Triangle which were pretty bad. To be expected the first pre-season game though…Yep, I remember that play with Amar'e, I think since he was involved in the D'Antoni offense he'll be ok, and even Carmelo admits his touches will be easier. But guys like JR Smith, Shumpert, whoever the Knick Center is (best defender is Dalembert but he's no passer)… I can see Fisher saying "fuck it" and doing a bastardized version of the triangle early in the season. The problem is they don't know who will start for them yet… so how can they practice it fully and gain chemistry?
- They weren't good at getting it to the first option (entry pass into the big in the post on the strong side…unless Melo is on the weakside pinch post and they want to isolate for him)
- The triangle is supposed to reset on the opposite side once cutters go cross court and fill the spots, but they never did this.
- They rarely got to the ball to the corner to initiate the screen roll action.
- Often times they just passed to the guard on the weakside to run the 2 man game (give and go, pnr, pinch post entry pass) without trying to do anything on the strong side.
- Anytime the triangle was broken they just resorted to basic iso or pnr, they were never able to reset it.
I saw ONE play where Melo did an entry bounce pass to Amare in the strong side post, Amare took one dribble, got to the rim and drew the foul. That's the first option in the offense and only Melo was patient enough to allow Amare to seal and give him a bounce pass….
This is going to be painful to watch Knicks-age…you can expect 20+ TO's for quite a while
Luckily you don't need a great center to run the Triangle. It helps, and makes it elite, but Jordan never had one and Kwame/Mihm/Teenage Bynum sucked at everything too.
you do need "penetration with the pass" though, and that means the ball has to get to the block as often as possible so the right cuts and reads can be made. I see them almost exclusively using Amare/Melo on the blocks and Tolliver and Bargs on the perimeter for the catch and shoot 3's if their traditional C's aren't able to be effective passing and scoring from that spot.
Jordan had great PFs tho…. you need a real quality big to win with the triangle. Gasol was that bigfor Kobe after Shaq left..
I guess I should have expounded on that more. A GREAT big and a great perimeter force in the Triangle makes you an elite team if it's run properly and the role players are there. But the Knicks this year can be entirely serviceable and a playoff team without a great C.
I do think Amare, if healthy, can be a big enough threat in that position to make it work, and of course you can always just put Melo down there.
My overall point was that with Melo/Amare/Bargs/Tolliver/Dalembert they have enough shooting/post threats to run it effectively. They'll need a true skilled big to become Elite probably, but they'll be a playoff team and be effective with that core of bigs. (I put Melo in there cuz his post game is pretty damn good)
you need bigs with a certain skillset tho.
they need to be good passers, and good decision makers. Melo can be both at times, and only Dalembert has anything close to that skillset on the Knicks right now.
Bosh is so salty...
o play alongside LeBron James on the Cleveland Cavaliers appears like a glamorous position for Kevin Love to be in. Chris Bosh, James' former Miami Heat teammate, might beg to differ, though.
Bosh sacrificed his own numbers for the greater good of the Miami Heat, expanding his game away from the lane to leave room for James and Dwyane Wade to operate. Kevin Love will play a similar role on the Cleveland Cavaliers. Bosh issued a warning about just that in a conversation with Ethan Skolnick of Bleacher Report.
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“It’s going to be very difficult for him,” Bosh said of Love’s role. “Even if I was in his corner and I was able to tell him what to expect and what to do, it still doesn’t make any difference. You still have to go through things, you still have to figure out things on your own. It’s extremely difficult and extremely frustrating. He’s going to have to deal with that.”
you need bigs with a certain skillset tho.Wait, since when is Dalembert a good passer, much less a good decisionmaker? And I have said in summer league Aldrich was running the Triangle very well at C. I would have no problem with a Dalembert/Aldrich C rotation, since both have worth at the defensive end.
they need to be good passers, and good decision makers. Melo can be both at times, and only Dalembert has anything close to that skillset on the Knicks right now.
you need bigs with a certain skillset tho.Wait, since when is Dalembert a good passer, much less a good decisionmaker? And I have said in summer league Aldrich was running the Triangle very well at C. I would have no problem with a Dalembert/Aldrich C rotation, since both have worth at the defensive end.
they need to be good passers, and good decision makers. Melo can be both at times, and only Dalembert has anything close to that skillset on the Knicks right now.
I said anything close.. Dalembert is a caretaker type of center, and doesn't really make bad choices with the pumpkin. He isn't Noah but I would rather run the triangle with him instead of Amare
Bosh is so salty…how is this salto play alongside LeBron James on the Cleveland Cavaliers appears like a glamorous position for Kevin Love to be in. Chris Bosh, James' former Miami Heat teammate, might beg to differ, though.
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you reaching breh
Eh, the bigs don't need to be GREAT passers. No one is expecting them to be Lebron, or even Odom or Bird. They have to make incredibly routine and basic passes. It's like high school fundamental stuff. Pass when you get doubled in the block. Pass using high low action. Pass/hand off to cutters.
The real issue is the IQ and the ability to pick up the offense. Gasol had that in spades, he picked it up seemingly the very first week.
It's completely overhyped how skilled you have to be to play in the post in the triangle - in fact it's by far the easiest position to play in that system.
Once 5 gets the ball. He can pass to base line cutting 3. To a right side cutting 2. Or at the free throw line/paint area for 4 as they get a screen from 2. Amare/Melo in that situation would get open 15 footers all day by the free throw line. The shot Bynum and Pau used to always take.
Each of those passes are essentially hand offs or 8 foot passes while standing still.
This is a simplification and there's more to it, but in terms of degree of difficulty on passes that the 5 has to make? not much more.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEWGkroBi8c
If you're interested, watch that and pay attention to the passes that Bynum and Pau make. just hand offs and super simple stationary passes. Occasionally they just kick it out to the guard when they're doubled. Everything else is pretty easy.
Knicks-Age watch this. It's probably the best explanation of the Triangle I've seen that covers 90% of the sequences any team running the offense will likely run.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNyKnN9AMIE
The real issue is the IQ and the ability to pick up the offense. Gasol had that in spades, he picked it up seemingly the very first week.
It's completely overhyped how skilled you have to be to play in the post in the triangle - in fact it's by far the easiest position to play in that system.
Once 5 gets the ball. He can pass to base line cutting 3. To a right side cutting 2. Or at the free throw line/paint area for 4 as they get a screen from 2. Amare/Melo in that situation would get open 15 footers all day by the free throw line. The shot Bynum and Pau used to always take.
Each of those passes are essentially hand offs or 8 foot passes while standing still.
This is a simplification and there's more to it, but in terms of degree of difficulty on passes that the 5 has to make? not much more.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEWGkroBi8c
If you're interested, watch that and pay attention to the passes that Bynum and Pau make. just hand offs and super simple stationary passes. Occasionally they just kick it out to the guard when they're doubled. Everything else is pretty easy.
Knicks-Age watch this. It's probably the best explanation of the Triangle I've seen that covers 90% of the sequences any team running the offense will likely run.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNyKnN9AMIE
Apparently McGary and Adams looked really good last night against Denver.
Also, apparently Jeremy Lamb did not.
McGary out 6-8 weeks.
Bosh is so salty…how is this salto play alongside LeBron James on the Cleveland Cavaliers appears like a glamorous position for Kevin Love to be in. Chris Bosh, James' former Miami Heat teammate, might beg to differ, though.
at all
you reaching breh
Why the fuck would he need to give Love advice? Maybe Love will be the number 2 and KI the number 3... how is it any of his business?
Eh, the bigs don't need to be GREAT passers. No one is expecting them to be Lebron, or even Odom or Bird. They have to make incredibly routine and basic passes. It's like high school fundamental stuff. Pass when you get doubled in the block. Pass using high low action. Pass/hand off to cutters.
The real issue is the IQ and the ability to pick up the offense. Gasol had that in spades, he picked it up seemingly the very first week.
It's completely overhyped how skilled you have to be to play in the post in the triangle - in fact it's by far the easiest position to play in that system.
Once 5 gets the ball. He can pass to base line cutting 3. To a right side cutting 2. Or at the free throw line/paint area for 4 as they get a screen from 2. Amare/Melo in that situation would get open 15 footers all day by the free throw line. The shot Bynum and Pau used to always take.
Each of those passes are essentially hand offs or 8 foot passes while standing still.
This is a simplification and there's more to it, but in terms of degree of difficulty on passes that the 5 has to make? not much more.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEWGkroBi8c
If you're interested, watch that and pay attention to the passes that Bynum and Pau make. just hand offs and super simple stationary passes. Occasionally they just kick it out to the guard when they're doubled. Everything else is pretty easy.
Knicks-Age watch this. It's probably the best explanation of the Triangle I've seen that covers 90% of the sequences any team running the offense will likely run.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNyKnN9AMIE
If the shit was easy, every team would run the triangle and the Knicks bigs would already be good at it..
The 4 and 5 are interchangeable in the set Pau / Grant / Rodman / Shaq were great passers in the triangle. Before the Lakers got Pau and AB after Shaq left their triangle was trash...
So I would say the bigs need to be great passers (for bigs) and space the floor correctly..
