Black History
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Felt the need to make this after some shit I saw last night. Doing some reading on black history and saw a thread on the other forum about Jim Crow. Was curious where it originated from and whew that just opened a huge rabbit hole. Ended up on YouTube and,just watching tons of videos. Some of the shit was still happening in the late 50s which wasn't that long ago.
So today I definitely feel some type of way. Sit in the office just analyzing people.Wondering if they did some,of this shit or their parents. Alligator bait, blackface,African dodger etc. I'm in the South too so I'm,sure it's not too far fetched.
I dunno it just got me sitting here generalizing the fuck out of everybody around me (mostly white people tbh) , and I really don't want to be bothered by anyone today. Probably doesn't help that today I drive behind some dude who had a confederate flag on his truck.
Somebody give me some words.
So today I definitely feel some type of way. Sit in the office just analyzing people.Wondering if they did some,of this shit or their parents. Alligator bait, blackface,African dodger etc. I'm in the South too so I'm,sure it's not too far fetched.
I dunno it just got me sitting here generalizing the fuck out of everybody around me (mostly white people tbh) , and I really don't want to be bothered by anyone today. Probably doesn't help that today I drive behind some dude who had a confederate flag on his truck.
Somebody give me some words.
Try reading about any of the cool bits of black history. It might be uplifting. Inventions, scientific and social advances, music and art movements.
Don't just stew in the atrocities. And stop looking sideways at people for being things they didn't ask to be. No good can come of it.
Don't just stew in the atrocities. And stop looking sideways at people for being things they didn't ask to be. No good can come of it.
By Jay Whatever Go To PostTry reading about any of the cool bits of black history. It might be uplifting. Inventions, scientific and social advances, music and art movements.
Don't just stew in the atrocities. And stop looking sideways at people for being things they didn't ask to be. No good can come of it.
Oh yeah I know nothing good can come it . It's starting to pass already, but that my reaction to some of the stuff I was reading/watching.
I didn't see a thread here for BH, so feel free to post some stuff.
Honestly, I'd rather read more on old cultures and empires than the usual American oppression. Our history is bigger than just that.
By DY_nasty Go To PostHonestly, I'd rather read more on old cultures and empires than the usual American oppression. Our history is bigger than just that.
True
Got any specific suggestions? Im down for reading some uplifting material this evening.
By Smokey Go To PostTrueFrom a cursory look this is supposed to be good: http://www.amazon.com/From-Babylon-Timbuktu-History-Including/dp/0962088110/ref=zg_bs_4762_11
Got any specific suggestions? Im down for reading some uplifting material this evening.
Maybe this as well? http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/067973869X/ref=x_gr_w_bb?ie=UTF8&tag=x_gr_w_bb-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=067973869X&SubscriptionId=1MGPYB6YW3HWK55XCGG2
Good stuff Gondo.
Kinda fucked up Smokey, but i didn't even know of the Moors until I'd left college.
Kinda fucked up Smokey, but i didn't even know of the Moors until I'd left college.
It was on my recently that I found out how much shit was not taught to me through studies. I went through HS and college all in Texas. The curriculum is even worse now in Texas.
Appreciate it Gondo gonna check those out.
Appreciate it Gondo gonna check those out.
By Smokey Go To PostIt was on my recently that I found out how much shit was not taught to me through studies. I went through HS and college all in Texas. The curriculum is even worse now in Texas.You're welcome. Can't vouch for them though as I haven't read them. Found them via Amazon and Goodreads.
Appreciate it Gondo gonna check those out.
Although I find it somewhat sad and hilarious that the top book in "African History" on Amazon is the Benghazi book that Michael Bay just adapted into a movie.
I think the thing that pisses me off the most about slavery - now is that it's being sold as SO LONG ago...
You got people posting the memes on facebook talking about I never owned a slave and you never were a slave so why are you still complaining.. and they think it is ok.. Blacks didn't get their rights until like 1968 and I was born about 10 years after that.... It's madness...
Got nothing uplifting for you tho lol
You got people posting the memes on facebook talking about I never owned a slave and you never were a slave so why are you still complaining.. and they think it is ok.. Blacks didn't get their rights until like 1968 and I was born about 10 years after that.... It's madness...
Got nothing uplifting for you tho lol
By reilo Go To PostMan, borderline racists and outright racists been saying MLK was so looong ago, too.
I almost feel like America goes out of its way to sell it like that.. I mean the 60s was the dawn of color TV but most civil rights footage is shown in black and white at almost all times despite going will into the 60s before being granted the basic rights of America...
By DY_nasty Go To PostI get outright irritated at the mention of MLK too.
Somehow we let apathetic liberals and fence sitters rebrand him as some kind of model pacifist who patiently waited his turn to be treated like a human being.
By Jay Whatever Go To PostSomehow we let apathetic liberals and fence sitters rebrand him as some kind of model pacifist who patiently waited his turn to be treated like a human being.He's basically Black Santa
US History in HS is like "and the women burnt bras and the blacks marched and now everything is cool."
I was very impacted by these 2 books.
Michelle Alexander, The New Jim Crow, Mass Incarceration in the Age of Color Blindness
http://www.amazon.com/The-New-Crow-Incarceration-Colorblindness/dp/1595586431
http://newjimcrow.com/
Her thesis:
"What has changed since the collapse of Jim Crow has less to do with the basic structure of our society than with the language we use to justify it. In the era of colorblindness, it is no longer socially permissible to use race, explicitly, as a justification for discrimination, exclusion, and social contempt. So we don’t. Rather than rely on race, we use our criminal justice system to label people of color “criminals” and then engage in all the practices we supposedly left behind. Today it is perfectly legal to discriminate against criminals in nearly all the ways that it was once legal to discriminate against African Americans. Once you’re labeled a felon, the old forms of discrimination—employment discrimination, housing discrimination, denial of the right to vote, denial of educational opportunity, denial of food stamps and other public benefits, and exclusion from jury service—are suddenly legal. As a criminal, you have scarcely more rights, and arguably less respect, than a black man living in Alabama at the height of Jim Crow. We have not ended racial caste in America; we have merely redesigned it."
David Roediger, The Wages of Whiteness, Race and the Making of the American Working Class
http://www.amazon.com/The-Wages-Whiteness-American-Haymarket/dp/1844671453
His thesis:
"In its broadest strokes, this book argues that whiteness was a way in which white workers responded to a fear of dependency on wage labor
and to the necessities of capitalist work discipline. As the US working class matured, principally in the North, within a slaveholding republic,
the heritage of the Revolution made independence a powerful masculine personal ideal. But slave labor and 'hireling' wage labor proliferated in
the new nation. One way to make peace with the latter was to differentiate it sharply from the former. Though direct comparisons between
bondage and wage labor were tried out ('white slavery'), the rallying cry of 'free labor' understandably proved more durable and popular for antebellum white workers, especially in the North. At the same time, the white working class, disciplined and made anxious by fear of dependency,
began during its formation to construct an image of the Black population as 'other' - as embodying the preindustrial, erotic, careless style of life
the white worker hated and longed for. This logic had particular attractions for Irish-American immigrant workers, even as the 'whiteness' of
these very workers was under dispute."
Michelle Alexander, The New Jim Crow, Mass Incarceration in the Age of Color Blindness
http://www.amazon.com/The-New-Crow-Incarceration-Colorblindness/dp/1595586431
http://newjimcrow.com/
Her thesis:
"What has changed since the collapse of Jim Crow has less to do with the basic structure of our society than with the language we use to justify it. In the era of colorblindness, it is no longer socially permissible to use race, explicitly, as a justification for discrimination, exclusion, and social contempt. So we don’t. Rather than rely on race, we use our criminal justice system to label people of color “criminals” and then engage in all the practices we supposedly left behind. Today it is perfectly legal to discriminate against criminals in nearly all the ways that it was once legal to discriminate against African Americans. Once you’re labeled a felon, the old forms of discrimination—employment discrimination, housing discrimination, denial of the right to vote, denial of educational opportunity, denial of food stamps and other public benefits, and exclusion from jury service—are suddenly legal. As a criminal, you have scarcely more rights, and arguably less respect, than a black man living in Alabama at the height of Jim Crow. We have not ended racial caste in America; we have merely redesigned it."
David Roediger, The Wages of Whiteness, Race and the Making of the American Working Class
http://www.amazon.com/The-Wages-Whiteness-American-Haymarket/dp/1844671453
His thesis:
"In its broadest strokes, this book argues that whiteness was a way in which white workers responded to a fear of dependency on wage labor
and to the necessities of capitalist work discipline. As the US working class matured, principally in the North, within a slaveholding republic,
the heritage of the Revolution made independence a powerful masculine personal ideal. But slave labor and 'hireling' wage labor proliferated in
the new nation. One way to make peace with the latter was to differentiate it sharply from the former. Though direct comparisons between
bondage and wage labor were tried out ('white slavery'), the rallying cry of 'free labor' understandably proved more durable and popular for antebellum white workers, especially in the North. At the same time, the white working class, disciplined and made anxious by fear of dependency,
began during its formation to construct an image of the Black population as 'other' - as embodying the preindustrial, erotic, careless style of life
the white worker hated and longed for. This logic had particular attractions for Irish-American immigrant workers, even as the 'whiteness' of
these very workers was under dispute."
By blackace Go To PostI think the thing that pisses me off the most about slavery - now is that it's being sold as SO LONG ago…Even the Civil War wasn't that long ago. Like, my grandparents' grandparents were around for that shit. And it's hard to overstate how badly black Americans have been treated through our entire history as a nation.
You got people posting the memes on facebook talking about I never owned a slave and you never were a slave so why are you still complaining.. and they think it is ok.. Blacks didn't get their rights until like 1968 and I was born about 10 years after that…. It's madness…
Got nothing uplifting for you tho lol
By blackace Go To Postmy great grandparents were slaves…Damn man.
my father is 80
By reilo Go To PostWouldn't call Quvenzhané Wallis a woman what is she 12 now?
I feel like that summarizes some of what's spoken about in here.
I can't help but to think it's to take away any accomplishments that can be attributed to "blackness"
It's the same shit where you learn all these things about Anicent Greek and Roman societies (the building blocks of civilization yadda yadda bullshit) but you get stuck on the fact that Egypt had pharoahs and mummies. Rarely do you learn some of their laws and their treatment of women was far more progressive than those two societies I previously mentioned.
By blackace Go To PostMore progressive than early America lolThis is true. Their marriages alone are more progressive than places today. You just cohabitate then bounce with your stuff. Not hard. I mean obviously today is more complicated but still.
It's amazing that women had almost the same rights as men in 2700 BC...
But fast forward to the 1960s lol
But fast forward to the 1960s lol
That's the other thing we think we're constantly progressing over time but if you actually look at enough societies plenty of regression happens. A lot of more progressive societies get labeled barbaric despite being the victim of rape and pillaging by a civilization like the Romans. Sigh.
I strongly believe that learning more about .... other than slavery, its effects, or generally America's entire shit history with (just about everyone) can do more.
This country's bullshit doesn't define you, or anyone for that matter.
This country's bullshit doesn't define you, or anyone for that matter.
By DY_nasty Go To PostI strongly believe that learning more about …. other than slavery, its effects, or generally America's entire shit history with (just about everyone) can do more.I agree and disagree...
This country's bullshit doesn't define you, or anyone for that matter.
It's just that whole it was long ago way of thinking bothers me...but other than that I see what you are saying
By blackace Go To PostWouldn't call Quvenzhané Wallis a woman what is she 12 now?put her in a line up and people will say she's 30
