Open Letter by Tim Cook: the US Government has asked Apple to build an encryption backdoor
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The United States government has demanded that Apple take an unprecedented step which threatens the security of our customers. We oppose this order, which has implications far beyond the legal case at hand.http://www.apple.com/customer-letter/
This moment calls for public discussion, and we want our customers and people around the country to understand what is at stake.
The federal government would sooner try to look at my email than try to do anything to minimize gun violence? Sounds about right.
I can't believe there's actually people that support the FBI in this case.
"people died! just do your fucking job"
maybe if there was some gun control this wouldn't have happened. but hey fuck the bigger issue. follow this court order now, and then follow the next court order for the next shooting, and the following court order for the following shooting.
"people died! just do your fucking job"
maybe if there was some gun control this wouldn't have happened. but hey fuck the bigger issue. follow this court order now, and then follow the next court order for the next shooting, and the following court order for the following shooting.
The San Bernadino case was two people who lived together and could actually talk to each other face to face. How you gonna bug that. Any one smart enough to pull off something really fucked up is just gonna go into the woods or a public place, turn their phone off and chat about it. And if they go anywhere suspect they can just leave the phone at home. FBI just wants to stalk college students with Muslim last names to no avail again.
By 33MillionDollarMen Go To PostFBI just wants to stalk college students with Muslim last names to no avail again.
I highly doubt that's what the FBI wants, but regardless, their intentions shouldn't matter.
By Fenderputty Go To PostI highly doubt that's what the FBI wants, but regardless, their intentions shouldn't matter.Maybe wants isn't the proper sentiment but that's what those idiots do.
By Fenderputty Go To PostI highly doubt that's what the FBI wants, but regardless, their intentions shouldn't matter.That's a pretty proper summary of how the FBI has dealt with things over the ages... COINTELPRO makes it hard to believe anything the FBI says
Apple is doubling down on its security, now to focus on iCloud:
Apple is working on new ways to strengthen the encryption of customers’ iCloud backups in a way that would make it impossible for the company to comply with valid requests for data from law enforcement, according to people familiar with its plans.http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0%2Fcd295840-db6c-11e5-98fd-06d75973fe09.html#axzz41CX8bQ5Y
The move would bolster Apple customers’ security against hackers but also frustrate investigators who are currently able to obtain data from Apple’s servers through a court order.
By DY_nasty Go To PostDidn't the court order thing refer to that specific situation, not all products?Naw FBI wanted them to add in ability to input a passcode electronically so they could brute force it. iOS currently doesn't do that.
As far as the facts state, the people that fucked up are the FBI forensics unit by resetting the password of the iCloud account which triggered this shit show.
By reilo Go To PostNaw FBI wanted them to add in ability to input a passcode electronically so they could brute force it. iOS currently doesn't do that.Without going into any kind of detail, a lot of password fukkery isn't nearly as complex as people think and most of these particular lockups get triggered by trying to do things the easy way and placing yourself at a point of no return before you're even aware.
As far as the facts state, the people that fucked up are the FBI forensics unit by resetting the password of the iCloud account which triggered this shit show.
By Rob Go To Postdo you actually think this is the only time it would be used?Cross that bridge when it comes. I don't see the reason for the general unwillingness to access whatever information is directly related to this incident and possibly more though.
because it's not worth losing your privacy just because a brown guy shot up some people? White people been doing that shit for ages and nothing ever changes.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/justice-department-seeks-to-force-apple-to-extract-data-from-about-12-other-iphones-1456202213
theres also that, so the bridge is already here
http://www.wsj.com/articles/justice-department-seeks-to-force-apple-to-extract-data-from-about-12-other-iphones-1456202213
theres also that, so the bridge is already here
By Rob Go To Postbecause it's not worth losing your privacy just because a brown guy shot up some people? White people been doing that shit for ages and nothing ever changes.As long as its not a sweeping, hilariously general "give us the codes!" then the bridge isn't here at all.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/justice-department-seeks-to-force-apple-to-extract-data-from-about-12-other-iphones-1456202213
theres also that, so the bridge is already here
And no, domestic terrorism, your typical mass shooting, etc fundamentally cannot be tackled the same as shit that is directly or even indirectly influenced by foreign entities. I mean, its really fun to say they're the same to highlight certain kinds of bullshit but this isn't the case imo.
A court process for each case isn't even a bad idea. Itd be slow as fuck but kinda in line with what people should expect until real capabilities are more readily accessible.
Today, Apple filed a motion to vacate the district court order demanding it break security protections on a phone linked to the San Bernardino attacks. The filing lays out Apple's extensive legal objections to the FBI order, setting the stage for a lengthy court battle. "This is not a case about one isolated iPhone," the motion reads. "Rather, this case is about the Department of Justice and the FBI seeking through the courts a dangerous power that Congress and the American people have withheld: the ability to force companies like Apple to undermine the basic security and privacy interests of hundreds of millions of individuals around the globe."http://www.theverge.com/2016/2/25/11105438/apple-fbi-response-court-filing-encryption-battle
By DY_nasty Go To PostThis shit has turned into SO many things now lmao.Honestly it's a matter of education. This shit just doesn't work like people think it does. It's a bad idea.
a provider of mobile forensic software, is helping the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation's attempt to unlock an iPhone used by one of the San Bernardino, California shooters, the Yedioth Ahronoth newspaper reported on Wednesday.http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0WP17J
If Cellebrite succeeds, then the FBI will no longer need the help of Apple Inc (AAPL.O), the Israeli daily said, citing unnamed industry sources.
That's...
I refuse to believe that the FBI is without access to shit that Army had 5 years ago.
The complimentary software here, the issues, and following dog and pony show... this isn't just dumb, its something else entirely.
I refuse to believe that the FBI is without access to shit that Army had 5 years ago.
The complimentary software here, the issues, and following dog and pony show... this isn't just dumb, its something else entirely.
I mean, wasn't that obvious? The FBI didn't want to have to jump through all these hoops all the time to unlock this data, they feared that more encryption was coming and this shit would only get more difficult, and they bullied the wrong company in an attempt to salvage their future. Even Apple said they could've just asked the NSA to help them out... Apple called their bluff, and now here we are. FBI laust.
They wanted a perm exploit, not one of the ones Apple probably just patched out. Good on Apple. What people don't get is that encryption backdoors are impossible, because you can always layer your own encryption under it, talk in code, or just talk in person..
By DY_nasty Go To PostThis shit has turned into SO many things now lmao.
It's what it always was about. FBI chose this case for a reason. It was never about the one phone from that one bad guy.
There are write ups out there from before this latest news that believed there were ways to get to the phone already. Govt just wanted to get something on the books to fast lane any future snoopin
By reilo Go To PostI mean, wasn't that obvious? The FBI didn't want to have to jump through all these hoops all the time to unlock this data, they feared that more encryption was coming and this shit would only get more difficult, and they bullied the wrong company in an attempt to salvage their future. Even Apple said they could've just asked the NSA to help them out… Apple called their bluff, and now here we are. FBI laust.. There are scenarios that could put it in a state where damn near everyone would be afraid to touch it due to the risk of losing everything. Some lower level guys trying to power through shit, mishandling, etc.
That doesn't work anymore. There is no way investigators are just now using stuff like Cellebrite. Imagine a hostage situation going on for weeks and higher approving authority only pursues a negotiator after people start getting shot. That's about how much sense this makes. It invalidates all scenarios where FBI/DHS would be locked out. And there were at least half a dozen ways that could've happened.
This doesn't even sound like FBI is in on it now. Sounds more like politicians wanting to push, but without support from anyone. Most DoD knows full well that all the backdoor talk is gonna do more harm than good because there's be no possible way to secure it as a government only tool.
SAN FRANCISCO — The Justice Department said Monday that it was withdrawing a legal action that would have forced Apple to cripple the security system on an iPhone used by a terrorist.http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/29/technology/apple-iphone-fbi-justice-department-case.html
The Justice Department is stepping back from the case — which involved demanding Apple’s help to open the iPhone used by Syed Rizwan Farook, a gunman in a mass shooting in San Bernardino, Calif., last year — because law enforcement has found another way into the device, officials said in a filing.
“The government has now successfully accessed the data stored on Farook’s iPhone and therefore no longer requires the assistance from Apple,” the Justice Department said in the filing.
Yep.
