Wiggins is only in his second year. Don't know how he's overrated. KAT is just really, really good and overshadows him a bit.
By ratcliffja Go To PostI'm still not sure who got the better end of the Wiggins/Love deal. Both are crazy overrated.one and done hurts the NBA so much... they need a true minor league like the MLB has
Edit: Of course, it's kind of a moot point when the Wolves were going to lose him anyway and they couldn't get Klay Thompson. Regardless, that entire draft seems like one of the most overhyped in a long time. Wiggins hasn't been amazing, Parker's probably not even in the top 3 players on a very bad team, Exum and Embiid have been hurt, Aaron Gordon has been decent but not great, Marcus Smart has been very poor offensively, Julius Randle has played awful interior defense… really there isn't anybody in the top 10 that screams all-star to me. I'm not sure it's much better than the 2013 draft that everybody hated.
By blackace Go To Postbut he is forever ranked in the late 200s in Drtg per 100 poss… Even guys like Love and B.Lopez have outranked him…Individual Drtg is almost useless without large amounts of context. It is extremely lineup dependent unless the player in question is an outlier in defensive capability.
2014 still has guys figuring out the NBA. Particularly as a lot have been hurt. Hard to judge it yet. But wiggins looks really good, their offense is just stupid as it has him, purposefully, taking a lot of mid range jumpers. Yeah, no one understands why.
Parker and Exum show signs but injury has limited their time. Smart, Payton, McDermott all look good. Randle / LaVine could go either way.
And personally, TJ Warren looks really good.
2014 was a good draft.
Parker and Exum show signs but injury has limited their time. Smart, Payton, McDermott all look good. Randle / LaVine could go either way.
And personally, TJ Warren looks really good.
2014 was a good draft.
Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine 3h3 hours ago
Toronto, I'm told, also showing interest in Suns' Markieff Morris; PHX widely seen as a LOCK to do at least one deal before Feb. 18 deadline
Go Get Em Raps!!!!
By Kibner Go To PostIndividual Drtg is almost useless without large amounts of context. It is extremely lineup dependent unless the player in question is an outlier in defensive capability.almost any advance stat can be looked at like that... but when you see how amazing Davis' Drtg is you can't tell me you don't see that when he plays... same holds true for Dirk outside of playing with Ellis and Nash Dirk has almost always been the weakest link on the Mavs...
Again doesn't mean I don't consider him a top 50 player and a top 10 of his generation... just that KAJ had a point when he said what he said
Wiggins shot chart is so weird. The shots that it looks like are designed for him to take (from the few wolves games I've seen) are those 16ft+ jumpers. Which are .235 of his total shots. Where he shoots .358
Anything under 16ft and his % goes up dramatically. Even on shots that aren't at the rim. So stuff 3ft to 16ft which accounts for .291 of his total shots, he's shooting ~ .430 Which isn't that bad for a mid range shot. (as a reference, kobe in his prime years was regularly around .465 from around there).
So the question remains, why are the wolves trying to get him so many shots from 16ft+
Anything under 16ft and his % goes up dramatically. Even on shots that aren't at the rim. So stuff 3ft to 16ft which accounts for .291 of his total shots, he's shooting ~ .430 Which isn't that bad for a mid range shot. (as a reference, kobe in his prime years was regularly around .465 from around there).
So the question remains, why are the wolves trying to get him so many shots from 16ft+
By blackace Go To Postalmost any advance stat can be looked at like that… but when you see how amazing Davis' Drtg is you can't tell me you don't see that when he plays… same holds true for Dirk outside of playing with Ellis and Nash Dirk has almost always been the weakest link on the Mavs…No, not really. Ortg is incredibly useful, even without large amounts of context and lineup information. Drtg very much isn't. And Davis has a very bad Drtg of 109 this season. He isn't a good defensive player, but he certainly isn't that bad.
Again doesn't mean I don't consider him a top 50 player and a top 10 of his generation… just that KAJ had a point when he said what he said
I'm not saying anything about any argument other than pointing out that individual Drtg is a very poor metric to use when trying to make a judgement on someone's defense. I mean, unless you think Boozer was consistently a threat for DPotY when he was with the bulls.
the standouts from the 2014 draft are jokic, gordon, warren, capela and hood. with guys like smart, payton, clarkson on the periphery. the top 3 turned out to be a huge meh and of course lol at embiid.
2015 is a much better class that'll have several all-stars and tons of good starters. though mudiay might be the worst player out of both classes.
2015 is a much better class that'll have several all-stars and tons of good starters. though mudiay might be the worst player out of both classes.
By blackace Go To Postalmost any advance stat can be looked at like that… but when you see how amazing Davis' Drtg is you can't tell me you don't see that when he plays… same holds true for Dirk outside of playing with Ellis and Nash Dirk has almost always been the weakest link on the Mavs…I think the main thing to keep in mind here is that, yeah, dirk is not the most athletic guy. But he plays good team defense. He might be the weak link, but it was never Amare bad. And Dirk never shirked the defensive load either. He would do it, he would guard guys in the post and get in there and fight unlike LMA.
Again doesn't mean I don't consider him a top 50 player and a top 10 of his generation… just that KAJ had a point when he said what he said
By Kibner Go To PostNo, not really. Ortg is incredibly useful, even without large amounts of context and lineup information. Drtg very much isn't. And Davis has a very bad Drtg of 109 this season. He isn't a good defensive player, but he certainly isn't that bad.I'm not saying anything about any argument other than pointing out that individual Drtg is a very poor metric to use when trying to make a judgement on someone's defense. I mean, unless you think Boozer was consistently a threat for DPotY when he was with the bulls.
well looking at BPMs Dirk's career DBPM is at 0.2 his best DBPM was 1.7 you look at KAJ who people say wasn't a great defender sits at 2.0 career wise... and overall Bpm Dirk had some good years but gotdamn KAJ had some monster years... I like looking at a lot of stats but just watching Dirk you can see he isn't a good defender or average...
By giririsss Go To PostI think the main thing to keep in mind here is that, yeah, dirk is not the most athletic guy. But he plays good team defense. He might be the weak link, but it was never Amare bad. And Dirk never shirked the defensive load either. He would do it, he would guard guys in the post and get in there and fight unlike LMA.
I guess he gets bonus points for trying...
By giririsss Go To PostGo Get Em Raps!!!!God no
id rather have tucker. Masai is willing to do a move now since carroll has had a lousy year with injuries and now james johnson needs an MRI on his ankle which doesn't sound good forcing raps to start a rook.
Smart looks like an idiot on offense and a monster on defense.
Wiggins has no range and can't put the ball on the floor right, but does have a good looking post game.
McDermott could possibly be out the league by the end of his contract.
Randle is a below the rim guy and also lacks touch around the rim. He can put the ball on the floor though even though he obviously has only one good hand when doing so. He's really going to have to work on his jumper to be a offensive threat.
Wiggins has no range and can't put the ball on the floor right, but does have a good looking post game.
McDermott could possibly be out the league by the end of his contract.
Randle is a below the rim guy and also lacks touch around the rim. He can put the ball on the floor though even though he obviously has only one good hand when doing so. He's really going to have to work on his jumper to be a offensive threat.
I think Wiggins is pretty good. He's not in the best spot with Smitch and other young guys trying to figure it out but he's going to be pretty good soon. He's one of those guys who just flip a switch and suddenly good gdlk. Will he be THAT guy everyone was hyping him up to be in HS? I doubt it as his personality isn't that but he's going to be really dang good. I'd trade damn near our whole team for him ( not saying much but still)
Knux, I feel the same about Wiggins. He'll be Neo Iggy, whether that's better or worse than Iggy is still unknown, but I'd bet he'll get to that level.
Wiggins couldn't be in an easier position to succeed as a #1 overall tbh
and he's still fairly mediocre
Jabari shows promise...no effing idea whats up with his timidness on offense and lack of a three ball in general--anybody who watched in him in Duke is like..huh? Hope its coaching and not phantom pain.
and he's still fairly mediocre
Jabari shows promise...no effing idea whats up with his timidness on offense and lack of a three ball in general--anybody who watched in him in Duke is like..huh? Hope its coaching and not phantom pain.
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostWiggins couldn't be in an easier position to succeed as a #1 overall tbh
and he's still fairly mediocre
Jabari shows promise…no effing idea whats up with his timidness on offense and lack of a three ball in general–anybody who watched in him in Duke is like..huh? Hope its coaching and not phantom pain.
Sam is almost Scott bad
By PSYCH! Go To Postwiz/gsw is o/u is 227
nooooo way it hits the over
i stayed the fuck away from the o/u honestly
Bucks and Wolves have terrible coaches so that doesn't help.
7:00pm I'm at work and I got to work at 8:00am. FML :(
7:00pm I'm at work and I got to work at 8:00am. FML :(
By Dark PhaZe Go To Posti stayed the fuck away from the o/u honestly
By Dark PhaZe Go To Posti stayed the fuck away from the o/u honestlyYeah i took the spread
By blackace Go To PostSam is almost Scott badHe might be worse, as I think the Wolves have a significantly better roster on paper, but they only have a few more wins than the Lakers. As for Wiggins, I don't think he's bad by any means. I just think he was overhyped to be the biggest impact player since LeBron (this was before Curry blossomed last year), yet he's hardly shown that in his first year and a half. I agree that he could be another Iguodala, which is still really valuable as the Warriors could tell you, but I don't think he's the franchise player that he was made out to be. I do miss a lot on guys coming out of college, but I will say that I totally called Curry becoming a star when I watched him in the NCAA tournament at Davidson. A lot of people were telling me he was too small to succeed, but speed and shooting like that transcend archetypes.
Edit: Weren't a lot of people high on Kidd last year? What happened?
By diehard Go To PostLet's be real
Hood might be the best player from that draft yall
yall just watch when Embiid comes through and knocks down the buildings
and then breaks in half
By blackace Go To Postwell looking at BPMs Dirk's career DBPM is at 0.2 his best DBPM was 1.7 you look at KAJ who people say wasn't a great defender sits at 2.0 career wise… and overall Bpm Dirk had some good years but gotdamn KAJ had some monster years… I like looking at a lot of stats but just watching Dirk you can see he isn't a good defender or average…
Defensive Box Plus Minus is a VERY VERY misleading stat:
"Defensive BPM is simply overall BPM minus offensive BPM. The offensive BPM regression was tuned to minimize weighted squared error on both offensive and defensive RAPM simultaneously."
Win Shares actually accounts for team performance whereas BPM does not.
Second, a 0.0 Defensive BPM is "League Average", so yes. Dirk has been an average/above average defender for the majority of his career.
EDIT: The other thing to caveat wrt BPM is that it is NOT a play by play metric but a box score based metric. If you're looking for a value-add metric that is based on real time plus minus metrics and team lineups, RAPM is the one you want.
By HasphatsAnts Go To PostDefensive Box Plus Minus is a VERY VERY misleading stat:yeah BPM doesn't take PT into account
"Defensive BPM is simply overall BPM minus offensive BPM. The offensive BPM regression was tuned to minimize weighted squared error on both offensive and defensive RAPM simultaneously."
Win Shares actually accounts for team performance whereas BPM does not.
Second, a 0.0 Defensive BPM is "League Average", so yes. Dirk has been an average/above average defender for the majority of his career.
EDIT: The other thing to caveat wrt BPM is that it is NOT a play by play metric but a box score based metric. If you're looking for a value-add metric that is based on real time plus minus metrics and team lineups, RAPM is the one you want.
By Dipro Go To Post-10 is quite high.
By PSYCH! Go To Post7 threes in the first quarter for currymaybe tonight's the night he finally gets 13
By PSYCH! Go To Post7 threes in the first quarter for curry
Fucking hell. 25 pts in the 1st quarter. It's scary how easy he's making 20 pt quarters look.
By fertygo Go To Postwhat the fucking fuck steph has 25 already
on a lazy 9/10 with 7/8 threes