By HasphatsAnts Go To PostMikey looking a little … flabby?
Think that's just his physique after blowing up
Not that he's tried but I don't think Garcia can hurt spence, really don't get why Mikey starts soo slow every fight.
Only so long that Mikey can eat some of these shots, he needs to get inside. He's not quick enough to fight Spence from the outside and I know Spence is a brutal body puncher but he has to make it ugly and close.
By You got 14 bricks right there? Go To PostOnly so long that Mikey can eat some of these shots, he needs to get inside.
Literally the last thing he needs to do. He'll get shredded in two on the inside, he just needs to be busier
By Kidjr Go To PostLiterally the last thing he needs to do. He'll get shredded in two on the inside, he just needs to be busier
He's getting shredded at distance right now, getting busier without closing the distance is just gonna keep getting his head snapped back.
Garcia in trouble, thought he would be so much quicker. Doesn't have the power and Spences defence has been great
By You got 14 bricks right there? Go To PostHe's getting shredded at distance right now, getting busier without closing the distance is just gonna keep getting his head snapped back.
I mean yeah sure but he doesn't have the power or strength for that inside game. If they sit and trade mikey might actually die. Surprised Mikey hasnt made any adjustments, he's done the same thing all fight.
By Kidjr Go To PostI mean yeah sure but he doesn't have the power or strength for that inside game. If they sit and trade mikey might actually die. Surprised Mikey hasnt made any adjustments, he's done the same thing all fight.
It's too late to go inside now, he should have done it sooner. He tried to outbox Spence from outside and Erroll proved to be slicker than he thought, now he's in full man-down mode going high & low.
By You got 14 bricks right there? Go To PostIt's too late to go inside now, he should have done it sooner. He tried to outbox Spence from outside and Erroll proved to be slicker than he thought, now he's in full man-down mode going high & low.
I think that was his only choice tho, there's anything between 8 - 10lbs weight difference in there, not sure what he could have done on the inside imo, we would just have been getting these rounds earlier
By Kidjr Go To PostI think that was his only choice tho, there's anything between 8 - 10lbs weight difference in there, not sure what he could have done on the inside imo, we would just have been getting these rounds earlier
The only way I saw Mikey winning this was a flash KO in a trade where he counters Erroll inside, I just didn't see the logic in him trying to fight a southpaw that's bigger, stronger, faster than him from the outside. I kind of think he didn't respect Spence ability to box from the outside and thought he could time him from there. His corner wanted him to close the distance and he never got Spence to fight off his back foot or got him on the ropes.
By You got 14 bricks right there? Go To PostThe only way I saw Mikey winning this was a flash KO in a trade where he counters Erroll inside, I just didn't see the logic in him trying to fight a southpaw that's bigger, stronger, faster than him from the outside. I kind of think he didn't respect Spence ability to box from the outside and thought he could time him from there. His corner wanted him to close the distance and he never got Spence to fight off his back foot or got him on the ropes.
TBF I thought my mikey would have had been quicker and had the better timing.
Maybe Spence Crawford is a closer match up than I thought.
By Kidjr Go To PostTBF I thought my mikey would have had been quicker and had the better timing.
Maybe Spence Crawford is a closer match up than I thought.
lol, unfortunately we're getting Spence/Pac next. I think Erroll is the class of the division, he beats Bud and Sometimes Thurman.
By You got 14 bricks right there? Go To Postlol, unfortunately we're getting Spence/Pac next. I think Erroll is the class of the division, he beats Bud and Sometimes Thurman.Crawford would easily beat spence.
By unknown Go To PostCrawford would easily beat spence.
Nobody is beating Spence "easily" and certainly not a dude that was hurt by Gamboa.
Not easily but as good as Spence is Crawford takes him to the cleaners, Spence won't have the huge physical advantages he did over Mikey and bud is king of adjustments so would expect him to find away like he always does.
By Kidjr Go To PostNot easily but as good as Spence is Crawford takes him to the cleaners, Spence won't have the huge physical advantages he did over Mikey and bud is king of adjustments so would expect him to find away like he always does.
Who has Crawford fought at 147? Honestly nobody. What physical advantage did Spence have on Brook? He ate some big shots from Brook who was probably 165-170lbs the night of that fight and still got walked down and beat just as badly as when GGG broke him down. Meanwhile.......do the stanky leg do the stanky leg
Thurman is more of a threat to Spence than Crawford.
By You got 14 bricks right there? Go To PostWho has Crawford fought at 147? Honestly nobody. What physical advantage did Spence have on Brook? He ate some big shots from Brook who was probably 165-170lbs the night of that fight and still got walked down and beat just as badly as when GGG broke him down. Meanwhile…….do the stanky leg do the stanky legYou are insane if you think spence has a chance. Crawford is not small and he is far more skilled and faster than anyone spence fought.
Thurman is more of a threat to Spence than Crawford.
By unknown Go To PostYou are insane if you think spence has a chance. Crawford is not small and he is far more skilled and faster than anyone spence fought.
And you're insane to act like any WW is going to beat Spence easily, I don't get the Crawford hype, he's good but he's untested at 147 and has been hurt at lower weights against weaker punchers. A pressure fighter like Spence that works the body and is a southpaw isn't an easy out, they're usually guys that are avoided.
By You got 14 bricks right there? Go To PostAnd you're insane to act like any WW is going to beat Spence easily, I don't get the Crawford hype, he's good but he's untested at 147 and has been hurt at lower weights against weaker punchers. A pressure fighter like Spence that works the body and is a southpaw isn't an easy out, they're usually guys that are avoided.
I don't think it'll be easy but strong strong favourite there is a reason bud is most people's either 1/2 p4p. The hype mainly comes from the fact his ring IQ is unbelievable, he knows how to make the perfect adjustments everytime I've seen him fight and almost perfect counter puncher. Spence is tailor made for bud ( styles make fights), it would be a bad bad match up (not saying Spence wouldn't have success) but he'd get picked off and broken down as bud loves pressure fighters. Comes to the inside and he won't bully bud like he did Mikey and i actually think bud may be as good a body puncher as Spence.
It's like the Mikey fight I just can't see how Spence would win that fight.
Jeeze.
How many years of his career/life has Mikey lost in there. Just throw in the towel from round 9 onwards
How many years of his career/life has Mikey lost in there. Just throw in the towel from round 9 onwards
By Kidjr Go To PostI don't think it'll be easy but strong strong favourite there is a reason bud is most people's either 1/2 p4p. The hype mainly comes from the fact his ring IQ is unbelievable, he knows how to make the perfect adjustments everytime I've seen him fight and almost perfect counter puncher. Spence is tailor made for bud ( styles make fights), it would be a bad bad match up (not saying Spence wouldn't have success) but he'd get picked off and broken down as bud loves pressure fighters. Comes to the inside and he won't bully bud like he did Mikey and i actually think bud may be as good a body puncher as Spence.
It's like the Mikey fight I just can't see how Spence would win that fight.
Crawford is incredibly overrated at 147, who has he beaten at that weight of note? His power hasn't carried up from 135 and 140, he didn't look that good against a 1 legged fighter in Benavidez, through the first 7 that was a dead even fight and Benavidez isn't as skilled as legitimate welterweights. Crawford is good, but nothing he's showed at 147 should give you great confidence in him beating the younger fighter that has been fighting at 147 for years and comes into fights around 160 and looks physically bigger despite them being roughly the same size. Spence is not tailor made for anyone, a southpaw that does as much body work as him is a bad matchup for almost everyone, a blown up light weight isn't going to beat him.
This reminds me so much of the hype job for Roman Gonzalez, another HBO fighter like Crawford was. I expect Crawford to lose to guys like Thurman and Spence at 147, then people will come back and say he's just old now rather than he wasn't as good as people thought. His resume at 147 is Horn, Benavidez and next Khan...lol
By You got 14 bricks right there? Go To PostCrawford is incredibly overrated at 147, who has he beaten at that weight of note? His power hasn't carried up from 135 and 140, he didn't look that good against a 1 legged fighter in Benavidez, through the first 7 that was a dead even fight and Benavidez isn't as skilled as legitimate welterweights. Crawford is good, but nothing he's showed at 147 should give you great confidence in him beating the younger fighter that has been fighting at 147 for years and comes into fights around 160 and looks physically bigger despite them being roughly the same size. Spence is not tailor made for anyone, a southpaw that does as much body work as him is a bad matchup for almost everyone, a blown up light weight isn't going to beat him.
This reminds me so much of the hype job for Roman Gonzalez, another HBO fighter like Crawford was. I expect Crawford to lose to guys like Thurman and Spence at 147, then people will come back and say he's just old now rather than he wasn't as good as people thought. His resume at 147 is Horn, Benavidez and next Khan…lol
I can resoect the resume argument but I'm referring purely to what I've seen in the ring. Horn is probably one of the biggest welterweights out there and bud stopped him, benavidez was also stopped so I'm not really buying into the he has no power at 147 hype.
And I've seen enough at 147 to feel nothing has changed for bud ( since his 140 days), feels out his opponent first three rounds then just systematically breaks them down. He'd beat porter and keith mo problem
Bud has the maybe the third best footwork in boxing right now, and I think he makes the best adjustments during a fight in boxing.
By You got 14 bricks right there? Go To PostCrawford is incredibly overrated at 147, who has he beaten at that weight of note? His power hasn't carried up from 135 and 140, he didn't look that good against a 1 legged fighter in Benavidez, through the first 7 that was a dead even fight and Benavidez isn't as skilled as legitimate welterweights. Crawford is good, but nothing he's showed at 147 should give you great confidence in him beating the younger fighter that has been fighting at 147 for years and comes into fights around 160 and looks physically bigger despite them being roughly the same size. Spence is not tailor made for anyone, a southpaw that does as much body work as him is a bad matchup for almost everyone, a blown up light weight isn't going to beat him.Sounds like you are hating to me. Benavidez was not even a close fight, no way was that close 7 rounds in. Crawford stopped horn who is known to be very tough and takes a beating well. This isn't heavyweight where power matters that much. Crawford easily dismantles thurman,spence,etc when he beats them I will be here to remind you.
This reminds me so much of the hype job for Roman Gonzalez, another HBO fighter like Crawford was. I expect Crawford to lose to guys like Thurman and Spence at 147, then people will come back and say he's just old now rather than he wasn't as good as people thought. His resume at 147 is Horn, Benavidez and next Khan…lol
benividez was outclassed... dude was tough to just hold out as long as he did. it wasn't a close fight at all imo
horn is a nobody lol
horn is a nobody lol
By unknown Go To PostSounds like you are hating to me. Benavidez was not even a close fight, no way was that close 7 rounds in. Crawford stopped horn who is known to be very tough and takes a beating well. This isn't heavyweight where power matters that much. Crawford easily dismantles thurman,spence,etc when he beats them I will be here to remind you.
Hating? He was fighting a 1 legged fighter, through the first 6 rounds one judge had it 57-57, and the other had it 58-56, they must have been hating though. Horn isn't a good fighter, stop trying to pump him up to raise Crawford's profile. The best fighter he's fought to date is Postol who is feather fisted and it was at 140. I give respect to him for cleaning out lightweight but it's not like the division was overflowing with talent when he did it most of the guys were above 140 when he was 135-140. Also a natural featherweight seriously hurt him and had him digging deep lol. He's not beating those guys "easily" they are harder punchers than anyone he's ever faced and skilled, just look at who he's fighting at 147...protected like crazy. Let me know when he actually fights a semi decent fighter at 147, but if Amir Khan pulls off the upset I'll die laughing.
By Kidjr Go To PostI can resoect the resume argument but I'm referring purely to what I've seen in the ring. Horn is probably one of the biggest welterweights out there and bud stopped him, benavidez was also stopped so I'm not really buying into the he has no power at 147 hype.
And I've seen enough at 147 to feel nothing has changed for bud ( since his 140 days), feels out his opponent first three rounds then just systematically breaks them down. He'd beat porter and keith mo problem
Bud has the maybe the third best footwork in boxing right now, and I think he makes the best adjustments during a fight in boxing.
It's easier to look good when there's no threat of getting sparked, who he's fought should definitely be brought up, who is the most dangerous fighter on his resume? Realistically, which one of the top welterweights today wouldn't look good against the guys Crawford has faced from 140-147?
By You got 14 bricks right there? Go To PostIt's easier to look good when there's no threat of getting sparked, who he's fought should definitely be brought up, who is the most dangerous fighter on his resume? Realistically, which one of the top welterweights today wouldn't look good against the guys Crawford has faced from 140-147?
Lomachenko isn't regarded at p4p by most because of his resume
By You got 14 bricks right there? Go To PostHating? He was fighting a 1 legged fighter, through the first 6 rounds one judge had it 57-57, and the other had it 58-56, they must have been hating though. Horn isn't a good fighter, stop trying to pump him up to raise Crawford's profile. The best fighter he's fought to date is Postol who is feather fisted and it was at 140. I give respect to him for cleaning out lightweight but it's not like the division was overflowing with talent when he did it most of the guys were above 140 when he was 135-140. Also a natural featherweight seriously hurt him and had him digging deep lol. He's not beating those guys "easily" they are harder punchers than anyone he's ever faced and skilled, just look at who he's fighting at 147…protected like crazy. Let me know when he actually fights a semi decent fighter at 147, but if Amir Khan pulls off the upset I'll die laughing.It was benavidez choice to fight, crawford is just fighting who is in front of him. You realize judges can be full of shit right? This is boxing which is known for lots of questionable scorecards from judges. Horn isn't as bad as you think and he is extremely tough who gave pacquiao issues even though I thought manny won. You are exaggerating with the gamboa punch, he wasn't that hurt at all. Hard punching doesn't mean shit unless its heavyweight, canelo was bigger and stronger than floyd and look how easy that fight was for floyd. How is he protected when he is fighting good fighters? khan is also a good fight and can give crawford issues. Yet thurman,spence aren't protected fighting bums all the time?
By unknown Go To PostIt was benavidez choice to fight, crawford is just fighting who is in front of him. You realize judges can be full of shit right? This is boxing which is known for lots of questionable scorecards from judges. Horn isn't as bad as you think and he is extremely tough who gave pacquiao issues even though I thought manny won. You are exaggerating with the gamboa punch, he wasn't that hurt at all. Hard punching doesn't mean shit unless its heavyweight, canelo was bigger and stronger than floyd and look how easy that fight was for floyd. How is he protected when he is fighting good fighters? khan is also a good fight and can give crawford issues. Yet thurman,spence aren't protected fighting bums all the time?
Crawford is taking who top rank tells him to take to keep his record pretty, they gave Danny Garcia a lowball offer to fight Crawford then turned around and offered Amir Khan almost double what they were offering Garcia. No, the judges weren't in Benavidez back pocket lol, also I don't get how you can say judges are full of shit and say Horn is a good fighter and act like the judges in Australia didn't gift him the win over Pac. I'm not exaggerating that punch, he admitted he was hurt and kept talking about that punch and how he'd been hit harder than that at 140 to prove he isn't chinny lol. Canelo was 23 years old.......not a very good comparison, power does matter when you get hit and Crawford isn't 1/100th as slick as Floyd, he's there to be hit.
Thurman fought Garcia, Porter, Guerrero, Bundu and Collazo at 147, his resume isn't great but it's a lot better what Crawford has fought since the Postol fight. I'm not that high on Thurman but his resume is better than Crawfords.
As I said before Loma isn't number one on most people list because of his resume, they guy has had what 11/12 fights?
At the very elite level it's all diminished returns, power and speed only get you so far, everyone's punches has pop and speed is negated because elite level fighters are masters of timing. So naturally you start to look at other things such as ring footwork, adjustment, angles they create and how they out think there opponent, which is why Crawford is rated so highly
At the very elite level it's all diminished returns, power and speed only get you so far, everyone's punches has pop and speed is negated because elite level fighters are masters of timing. So naturally you start to look at other things such as ring footwork, adjustment, angles they create and how they out think there opponent, which is why Crawford is rated so highly
By Kidjr Go To PostAs I said before Loma isn't number one on most people list because of his resume, they guy has had what 11/12 fights?
At the very elite level it's all diminished returns, power and speed only get you so far, everyone's punches has pop and speed is negated because elite level fighters are masters of timing. So naturally you start to look at other things such as ring footwork, adjustment, angles they create and how they out think there opponent, which is why Crawford is rated so highly
Loma is good, but he's another guy whose P4P ranking largely comes from the hype generated by HBO. Don't ever forget that HBO is the reason Chocolatito was P4P 1 at one point, he moved up in weight, faced larger fighters and eventually got sparked by someone who was close enough in skill that the size & power difference was an issue. Loma has a much better stake to the number 1 claim than Crawford because of how slick he is, and even then he still got knocked down by Linares...by contrast Crawford is very hittable. Most of you thought Mikey would outskill Spence, that wasn't the case, the skill gap between Spence and Crawford isn't big enough to overlook the power difference and one of them has been fighting natural welterweights for years and looks like the larger man despite them being around the same size.
Former HBO fighters are overrated IMO, if any of the former HBO guys deserves to be 1 it's Canelo, and he's ranked below Crawford in the P4P list lol
I joked that Fury was gonna fight Christian Hammer in a rematch but he's gone even worse and fighting Tom Schwarz 😂😭
By You got 14 bricks right there? Go To PostLoma is good, but he's another guy whose P4P ranking largely comes from the hype generated by HBO. Don't ever forget that HBO is the reason Chocolatito was P4P 1 at one point, he moved up in weight, faced larger fighters and eventually got sparked by someone who was close enough in skill that the size & power difference was an issue. Loma has a much better stake to the number 1 claim than Crawford because of how slick he is, and even then he still got knocked down by Linares…by contrast Crawford is very hittable. Most of you thought Mikey would outskill Spence, that wasn't the case, the skill gap between Spence and Crawford isn't big enough to overlook the power difference and one of them has been fighting natural welterweights for years and looks like the larger man despite them being around the same size.
Former HBO fighters are overrated IMO, if any of the former HBO guys deserves to be 1 it's Canelo, and he's ranked below Crawford in the P4P list lol
I just think it's crazy, do you not think there are any reason Crawford is constantly put in these conversations? I really agree with you about his resume, but I really think you would struggle to find many fans that wouldnt put him in their top 3 p4p on the planet right now.
Really good of breakdown of why Terrance is insane.
By KP Go To PostI joked that Fury was gonna fight Christian Hammer in a rematch but he's gone even worse and fighting Tom Schwarz 😂😭
You see Okolie get put in his place?
By Kidjr Go To PostYou see Okolie get put in his place?
Blokes a fecking idiot. Domestic level crusier calling out a world level heavy.
By You got 14 bricks right there? Go To PostCrawford is taking who top rank tells him to take to keep his record pretty, they gave Danny Garcia a lowball offer to fight Crawford then turned around and offered Amir Khan almost double what they were offering Garcia. No, the judges weren't in Benavidez back pocket lol, also I don't get how you can say judges are full of shit and say Horn is a good fighter and act like the judges in Australia didn't gift him the win over Pac. I'm not exaggerating that punch, he admitted he was hurt and kept talking about that punch and how he'd been hit harder than that at 140 to prove he isn't chinny lol. Canelo was 23 years old…….not a very good comparison, power does matter when you get hit and Crawford isn't 1/100th as slick as Floyd, he's there to be hit.Dude Floyd would beat and school Canelo right now too. Mark my words that Crawford will never lose in his career. Also you never mentioned the other welterweights being so called protected.
Thurman fought Garcia, Porter, Guerrero, Bundu and Collazo at 147, his resume isn't great but it's a lot better what Crawford has fought since the Postol fight. I'm not that high on Thurman but his resume is better than Crawfords.
By unknown Go To PostDude Floyd would beat and school Canelo right now too. Mark my words that Crawford will never lose in his career. Also you never mentioned the other welterweights being so called protected.
Ok not sure about that but people do over estimate the fact that it was early on his career, Floyd was a much better fighter than canelo.
By Kidjr Go To PostI just think it's crazy, do you not think there are any reason Crawford is constantly put in these conversations? I really agree with you about his resume, but I really think you would struggle to find many fans that wouldnt put him in their top 3 p4p on the planet right now.
Really good of breakdown of why Terrance is insane.
I'm not saying he's unskilled, he's undeserving of being top 3 in P4P. His opponents have been pretty lackluster, and until he shows those skills against another elite welterweight I don't want to really talk about him easily beating natural welterweights who have fought more dangerous opponents.
By unknown Go To PostDude Floyd would beat and school Canelo right now too. Mark my words that Crawford will never lose in his career. Also you never mentioned the other welterweights being so called protected.
You doing too much, if Floyd felt he could beat Canelo right now he'd make the fight cause that's a $200 million payday for him.
What other welterweights are being protected?
By You got 14 bricks right there? Go To PostI'm not saying he's unskilled, he's undeserving of being top 3 in P4P. His opponents have been pretty lackluster, and until he shows those skills against another elite welterweight I don't want to really talk about him easily beating natural welterweights who have fought more dangerous opponents.
I can respect that statement then, out of interest i assume you have usyk or canelo at number one? Who are are your two and three?
Alright little card from Liverpool tomorrow. Not as many horrendous mismatches as usual. Would love to see Ant Fowler get ironed out but Fitzgerald probably not good enough. Could see Price losing.
By KP Go To PostAlright little card from Liverpool tomorrow. Not as many horrendous mismatches as usual. Would love to see Ant Fowler get ironed out but Fitzgerald probably not good enough. Could see Price losing.
Yeah decent bill, in the dog house so may stream on phone