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damn division was ass.
already forgot it existed.

It was alright. It was just alright.

It's the most cliche focus tested idea for a video game made by the most sterile publisher/developers and it was still more interesting than Quantum Break.

Overwatch starting to grow on me but...something seem off. Dunno what it is. Seems like it would get old quick. If I do cop probably do it on PC where it's $20 cheaper. Can't get a read on the community legs on consoles,

By Smokey Go To PostOverwatch starting to grow on me but…something seem off. Dunno what it is. Seems like it would get old quick. If I do cop probably do it on PC where it's $20 cheaper. Can't get a read on the community legs on consoles,

seems really popular

why would you be playing a FPS on consoles if you have the choice to play on PC in the first place?

Community will be there on PC. It's a Blizzard game.

There was like 150k people dedicated enough to play Nostalrius. Blizzard fans are way too loyal to let a Blizz game die

I've pretty much had to make a different control scheme for every character.

I gotta learn the maps better though.

1070 only requires a 500w PSU? Is that accurate?

Figured it would need more.

By Xeno Go To PostMei is a bigger problem IMO, Wall CD is too short,

It can be broken through though. Wall is a problem right now for the same reason Reinhard's shield is. No one thinks to shoot at it to break through.

Even so, what is Wall really doing right now for her that's that unfair?

ult is just wacky

Yeah I think her ult is really strong, but most ults are.

, and if she appears in front of you and you don't have an escape you're basically just dead, and all she has to do is hold R2/RT/Left click. If you do get the advantage, she can turn into an ice block and heal, which theory should still give you the opportunity to kill her, but she can wall immediately out of the invuln and she's gone.

Who are you playing? Because this is only true for some characters.

Mcree beats her clean and is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay more of a "if he appears in front of you and you don't have an escape your dead" character. Hanzo beats her. Roadhog beats her. Junkrat beats her if he's set up. Soldier 76 beats her if he can maintain distance. D.Va beats her in that she can survive her damage in the mech as she can't be headshot.

I mean yeah if she flanks you 1v1 and gets the jump on your, you're dead, but I mean what character isn't this true for.

Don't get me wrong I think she's easily one of the top 2 best heroes in the game right now alongside Junkrat, but I don't really think either are without weaknesses. They both control space really well and work well on any map on any side, and have no real hard counters, but I don't think either are a problem that needs to be brought in line.

I really need to not play so much of the beta before the final product is out, but there's shit else to play right now.

support heroes are usless

I just think Mei gets everything too easy and has too many tools compared to other heroes. She has the most CC in the game. Close range she doesn't even have to aim her gun. She just points it in your general direction and the second you get tagged you start slowing down. She can slow payload progress and disrupt pushes on wall CD, which is really short.

Maybe this would be too extreme, but I'd like a slightly longer CD on the wall, and a 1 second GCD after she gets out of the ice block so she just can't ult/wall you off immediately and you have a chance to lock her down and kill her. Also, I'd like a slightly reduce slow rate on her gun and reduced freeze duration for the ult.

In your example, Genji or McCree can flank you can kill you just as easily or maybe easier. But they can't go invuln and heal and they can't block your team's progress. They can't shut down an entire push with their ult with absolutely no risk. McCree can lay waste to a team with his ult, but the second people hear "It's high noon" they're looking to kill him or hide for a few seconds. Genji has to get close for his ult to be effective. Mei just kinda throws it out there and can run away. You can hear the ult and see where she is and immediately start moving the opposite direction, but the slow is so potent that even if you're in the outer third of the AOE, you're still probably going to be frozen, and the freeze is really long.

McCree and Roadhog absolutely shuts her down. But if you're Genji, Tracer, or Reaper, you better not miss at all. Call me a scrub, but it's not always easy on console to hit all your shots close range.

By P S Y C H Go To Postsupport heroes are usless

says a man who hasn't seen his entire team undone by one symettra yet

By Xeno Go To PostI just think Mei gets everything too easy and has too many tools compared to other heroes. She has the most CC in the game.

Yeah. I don't think she's where she's supposed to be. Having that kinda of CC, on quick cooldown, and get out of jail free card, AND straight up damage is never supposed to happen.

By P S Y C H Go To Postsupport heroes are usless

Support heroes are the biggest force multiplier in the game.

E: they do lose effectiveness if the rest of the team is straight trash, though.

By Kibner Go To PostSupport heroes are the biggest force multiplier in the game.

when you ult as mercy to bring back 3 people then get to sit back and watch as they let off ults that they had in the back pocket

And lol at any Tracer that gets caught out by Mei. They just got outplayed.

I could use a new monitor recommendation, actually. I do like 99% of my gaming on my PC now anyways, so I'd like to get something nice since my television is getting cobwebs. Don't want/need 4k.

By Kibner Go To PostAnd lol at any Tracer that gets caught out by Mei. They just got outplayed.

any tracer that ever dies one on one is PROBABLY trash

like, maybe mcree gets one over on you. okay, aite. but im seeing tracers get washed up by widowmakers and im just like no

By data Go To PostI could use a new monitor recommendation, actually. I do like 99% of my gaming on my PC now anyways, so I'd like to get something nice since my television is getting cobwebs. Don't want/need 4k.

First things first; what's the budget range?

By data Go To Postwhy would you be playing a FPS on consoles if you have the choice to play on PC in the first place?

Because I have a child now and it's easier to play on a TV than facing a monitor

By Kibner Go To PostFirst things first; what's the budget range?

I'm not killing it for money, but I'm not spending int on much else either. Current monitor is 23 inches. I wouldn't want to go any bigger than that. Let's say upwards to 500s but that's absolute peak spending budget and it'd have to be a hell of a deal.

By Smokey Go To PostBecause I have a child now and it's easier to play on a TV than facing a monitor

your son wouldnt want you to suffer

By data Go To PostI'm not killing it for money, but I'm not spending int on much else either. Current monitor is 23 inches. I wouldn't want to go any bigger than that. Let's say upwards to 500s but that's absolute peak spending budget and it'd have to be a hell of a deal.

Here is a good site I use for reviews: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk

Since you are going to be gaming on this, definitely check out the response time and the input lag part of each review. How important is color accuracy and general visual quality to you? TN panels are fast and cheap but don't have the best picture. IPS panels have a great picture but tend to be expensive and not always suited to gaming.

This is definitely at your absolute peak budget, but I liked the review of the Eizo Flexscan 2455. Amazon link

e: mentioned favorably in that review was the Dell U2415. Might be another alternative worth checking out since it is very similar in picture quality and gaming performance but half the cost in America.

e2: and its review link: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2415.htm

She has the most CC in the game.

That's......the point of the hero though....

If her CC wasn't good she'd be nothing.

Close range she doesn't even have to aim her gun. She just points it in your general direction and the second you get tagged you start slowing down.

She has to aim to kill you though. Her alt fire isn't going to kill anything without the headshot bonus and can't kill anything being healed or shielded.

Maybe this would be too extreme, but I'd like a slightly longer CD on the wall, and a 1 second GCD after she gets out of the ice block so she just can't ult/wall you off immediately and you have a chance to lock her down and kill her. Also, I'd like a slightly reduce slow rate on her gun and reduced freeze duration for the ult.

Too much.

I'm sort of against cd increases on principal since it makes heroes less active. I also think you're really overstating how good wall is.

As for her ult.....it's an ultimate lol. What's the difference between hers and reaper's. Or junkrats? Or dvas? Or hanzo? Hers at least isn't killing anything on its own.

If there was one thing I'd do to tone her down, it'd be adding some sort of very brief cooldown period after being frozen by her left click where the enemy is immune to her CC. So if she fucks up the enemy has a very brief window to create space, but even that I feel is more than she deserves as it'd make her counters even stronger vs her.

In your example, Genji or McCree can flank you can kill you just as easily or maybe easier. But they can't go invuln and heal and they can't block your team's progress. They can't shut down an entire push with their ult with absolutely no risk. McCree can lay waste to a team with his ult, but the second people hear "It's high noon" they're looking to kill him or hide for a few seconds. Genji has to get close for his ult to be effective. Mei just kinda throws it out there and can run away.]

I mean you're comparing apples and oranges. Mei is supposed to do those things by design and Mccree is supposed to kill people flanking, including Mei, by design.

What's the problem?

You can hear the ult and see where she is and immediately start moving the opposite direction, but the slow is so potent that even if you're in the outer third of the AOE, you're still probably going to be frozen, and the freeze is really long.

If it's truly that devastating for your team, learn the counters and play them. Genji reflects her ult and makes it yours. D.va shield destroys it outright.

McCree and Roadhog absolutely shuts her down. But if you're Genji, Tracer, or Reaper, you better not miss at all. Call me a scrub, but it's not always easy on console to hit all your shots close range.

Reaper beats her in her range, and can phase out of her range and her slow if he messes up. Genji can't fight her up close, but he doesn't have to. He has the mobility to run away with his dash ignoring her slow.

Tracer loses but I mean who doesn't Tracer lose to?

I wouldn't call you a scrub, but right now I think complaints about her, and alot of aspects of the game just lack perspective. Not only on her actual strength, but on what's actually important in the game. Like I think alot of the complaints about her are complaints about things that don't matter made by people that don't really play her or care to learn how.

And as for her being strong on console because of controller, I really hope that doesn't influence balance decisions on PC. You guys know what you signed up for. Lol

By Rob Go To Postyour son wouldnt want you to suffer

lol

By Retro Go To PostThat's……the point of the hero though….

If her CC wasn't good she'd be nothing.

see, i don't agree with that

she's supposed to be the CC gawd - yet she can fuck up way too many characters in a fair one. that's where i think the issue is. i mean, if mcree needs an ability to be up in order to flank, then why is mei almost as good at flanking with just her primary fire? that's insane lol

By Kibner Go To PostThis is definitely at your absolute peak budget, but I liked the review of the Eizo Flexscan 2455. Amazon link

$540ish for a 60hz monitor in 2016? Nah son

By DY_nasty Go To Postsee, i don't agree with that

she's supposed to be the CC gawd - yet she can fuck up way too many characters in a fair one. that's where i think the issue is. i mean, if mcree needs an ability to be up in order to flank, then why is mei almost as good at flanking with just her primary fire? that's insane lol

On what planet is mei as good at flanking as McCree?

Pharah beats her 1v1, McCree beats her,(with or without stun) Reaper beats her. Junkrat beats her. Dva survives her, Genji can run from her. Lucio can run from her. Soldier 76 goes even with her. Roadhog goes even.

She only beats tracer and Tracer is garbage anyways.

That's every offense hero right there plus some. And those are the only heroes that should be running solo. ANYONE with mercy flat out can not die to her. She doesn't have the damage output. And if you let her freeze and kill your mercy well....

By Retro Go To PostOn what planet is mei as good at flanking as McCree?

Pharah beats her 1v1, McCree beats her,(with or without stun) Reaper beats her. Junkrat beats her. Dva survives her, Genji can run from her. Lucio can run from her. Soldier 76 goes even with her.

She only beats tracer and Tracer is garbage anyways.

That's every offense hero right there plus some. And those are the only heroes that should be running solo. ANYONE with mercy flat out can not die to her. She doesn't have the damage output. And if you let her freeze and kill your mercy well….

*almost*

and any pharah that gets stuck by a mei should boot up division and be a family man.

she blindsides you with that slow you got about a second to figure out which way to run, if you can at all. and if she's somehow one upped in that brief moment, she's a got a dope get out of jail free card on par with reaper's.

like, if she's going to be the best cc character in the game by far - then there's no way she should be able to do what she does everywhere else.

By Rob Go To Post$540ish for a 60hz monitor in 2016? Nah son

That's why I linked a separate monitor that uses the same panel and similar technology for half that. Also, he may have to upgrade the rest of his hardware significantly to take advantage of 120hz. Please let me know if there is a 120hz IPS panel monitor with minimal ghosting and input lag at 24" or less for < $500.

By Retro Go To PostOn what planet is mei as good at flanking as McCree?

Pharah beats her 1v1, McCree beats her,(with or without stun) Reaper beats her. Junkrat beats her. Dva survives her, Genji can run from her. Lucio can run from her. Soldier 76 goes even with her. Roadhog goes even.

She only beats tracer and Tracer is garbage anyways.

That's every offense hero right there plus some. And those are the only heroes that should be running solo. ANYONE with mercy flat out can not die to her. She doesn't have the damage output. And if you let her freeze and kill your mercy well….

Tracer should be a huge counter to Mei anyway. Just hit E to get away.

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e: Just started the sequel to Trails in the Sky and it starts with the feels not even five minutes in.

Oh my god

I was playing as Roadhog. I hooked Tracer. She comes flying in, I shotgun blast and as I shotgun blast, Genji runs in front of me out of nowhere. I fucking kill both of them with one shotgun blast oh my god I think I need to gif that.

By DY_nasty Go To Postshe blindsides you with that slow you got about a second to figure out which way to run, if you can at all. and if she's somehow one upped in that brief moment, she's a got a dope get out of jail free card on par with reaper's.

So what? Lol

I mean what hero doesn't win encounters with the initiative? In any shooter?

As for her escape, again so what? You don't have to kill her. If she cocoons up.....move on. Mei is not really a high priority target. Move on to attack her team or advance on the objective if she's in a position where she can wall to protect herself after coming out. If not, like she's in a situation where she walls up surrounded by the enemy team. Eat.

like, if she's going to be the best cc character in the game by far - then there's no way she should be able to do what she does everywhere else.

What is it that she does? Explain to me how that stuff wins games in Overwatch? Her killing a Tracer or a genji occasionally, or escaping from death is not a game changing thing.

Mei is the character I have the most play time on, and I can confidently say I seriously haven't encountered anyone better with her than I am. I picked her up initially as I too thought she was over powered but after putting the time in I just don't see it. Alot of the complaints about her and the suggested fixes would only make her less fun. They wouldn't impact the game balance at all really, because the things they address aren't that significant to the course of the game.

I'm not claiming to be above bias, but show me the winrates. Show me the skewed k/d ratios that back up these complaints. Because from my experience she's just another character in the game. One that isn't even used that much compared to others.

at this point i think overwatch prolly deserves its own thread

whatchu mean "so what?" lmao

By P S Y C H Go To Postat this point i think overwatch prolly deserves its own thread

a beta getting its own thread

what a time

By DY_nasty Go To Posta beta getting its own thread

what a time

eh, BLOP3 beta had a thread too

the only real L that Dy has is Naruto

I've heard balance is different on console than on PC, but I can't confirm or deny. Game is supposedly slightly slowed down and there are some health adjustments. No idea if it's actually true.

Edit: As an aside, is the Roadhog combo supposed to be hook then left click or hook then right click? I don't know which does more damage close up.

Bought Hitman.

I'm not really into stealth, but this is a great open world fuckery game.

i love how post-game voting exposes who's petty in overwatch lmao. go fuck yourself with that one vote for yourself, reaper

By Xeno Go To PostI've heard balance is different on console than on PC, but I can't confirm or deny. Game is supposedly slightly slowed down and there are some health adjustments. No idea if it's actually true.

Edit: As an aside, is the Roadhog combo supposed to be hook then left click or hook then right click? I don't know which does more damage close up.

widowmaker on pc had the highest win rate and on consoles.... lol kb/m, true tools of the master race apparently

By blackace Go To Postthe only real L that Dy has is Naruto

battleborn ain't great, its just pretty good - and its coming out at a shit time. but borderlands devs know how to keep shit supported so its like.... safe as fuck compared to a lot of releases these days

i have no clue why people are hyped for doom though. it can't be as good as wolfenstein and the multiplayer is guaranteed butt, soooooo why bother?

By Xeno Go To PostI've heard balance is different on console than on PC, but I can't confirm or deny. Game is supposedly slightly slowed down and there are some health adjustments. No idea if it's actually true.

Edit: As an aside, is the Roadhog combo supposed to be hook then left click or hook then right click? I don't know which does more damage close up.

Left click, melee, left click again if still alive, I think. I've been told that the right click does less damage if all shells hit but you would use it if targets are a bit further away from you because it will still do more damage for things that aren't basically point-blank.

By Xeno Go To PostI've heard balance is different on console than on PC, but I can't confirm or deny. Game is supposedly slightly slowed down and there are some health adjustments. No idea if it's actually true.

Edit: As an aside, is the Roadhog combo supposed to be hook then left click or hook then right click? I don't know which does more damage close up.

It's way slower. Watched my brother play on PS4.

It's like those Doom clips that Smokey posted a page back

By data Go To PostBought Hitman.

I'm not really into stealth, but this is a great open world fuckery game.

I bought the game on an alt steam account to play it for a bit and refund it without having to worry about 2hr limit because I wasn't really into stealth either.

Game was fantastic though. It's a game that's meant to be replayed so you can experiment with multiple scenarios which is why I feel the episodic release fits the game perfectly.

Roadhog right click is a shell that explodes forward like his left click after a fixed distance

If you shoot it at an enemy point blank you're hitting them with the unexploded shell which does little damage. It doesn't explode on hit.

ok cool thanks

Got into a game where someone just went AFK and never got kicked. We lost, and I was annoyed, so I left. I went back in and it put me with the exact same people. Dude was still AFK the entire game. GG Blizzard. Thanks for that.

I think after EVO I'm finally gonna try and save up for an actual computer and not a laptop. This laptop I got now is nearing retirement.

Finally have time to try Overwatch, off into the deep end I go!

Anyone else feel like the Xcom2 buzz only lasted for like 3 days?

People were going on about the first one for weeks after release.

By Hitch Go To PostAnyone else feel like the Xcom2 buzz only lasted for like 3 days?

People were going on about the first one for weeks after release.

It died down quicker than I thought aswell, but no worries, as soon as the long war 2 comes out it'll be back in full force!