By Kibner Go To PostT-t-t-t–t-riple post!
There is danger in doing that because if the foul happens at the same time as the shot, the shot counts and you get free throws out of it.
If the shot goes in, you get an and 1. Sure, if you time it poorly. Just seems like something that can be practiced. Especially on high PnR's. The defense knows what they have to do to give up the corner 3. As soon as the pass is made to the corner and you've packed in the paint. Grab a guy on the pass.
It's not much different then the danger of "the foul to give" ending up in a continuation, and 1, or foul shooting opportunity when poorly timed.
By 3SidedPolygons Go To PostIf the shot goes in, you get an and 1. Sure, if you time it poorly. Just seems like something that can be practiced. Especially on high PnR's. The defense knows what they have to do to give up the corner 3. As soon as the pass is made to the corner and you've packed in the paint. Grab a guy on the pass.I'm not too worried about that, because the amount of times that could actually happen is highly limited. Like, you would only want to do it with 2-4 minutes remaining in a quarter and if you had committed no more than two fouls in the earlier part of the quarter.
e: it is both highly situational and would work a max of three times a quarter (assuming the team hasn't fouled at all to that point)
By Kibner Go To PostI'm not too worried about that, because the amount of times that could actually happen is highly limited. Like, you would only want to do it with 2-4 minutes remaining in a quarter and if you had committed no more than two fouls in the earlier part of the quarter.
e: it is both highly situational and would work a max of three times a quarter (assuming the team hasn't fouled at all to that point)
Sure. It's not something that would happen more than 5 or so times a game. At most. But still an interesting tactic.
I think there are flaws with the high PnR and two corner shooters setup. The question is, what's the best way to deal with it. If I had good, disciplined defenders I would have players on the floor yell out something every time they see 2 corner shooters to alert everyone on the team. 2 corner shooters means easy fast break opportunities for the opposition off makes and misses in my eyes.
By Kibner Go To PostAgreed. Free throws are the worst part of the game, imo. But they are a necessary evil to stop the game from looking ugly as people hack to prevent cool, athletic things from happening. So, they should probably extend the 2 minute rule to the entire game.
That should really be the guiding purpose of any rule for this sport: allow the athletic and coordination-based skills to shine.
I don't want clear path fouls to be legal or anything, but the sport is at its best when foul shots are kept at a minimum.
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostI don't want clear path fouls to be legal or anything, but the sport is at its best when foul shots are kept at a minimum.This is why teams who are involved in games that have a high amount of FTA are typically the teams I least want to watch.
By PSYCH! Go To Postkibner the o/u for the pellies/pistons game is 206, what does your gut say?Don't bet on Pels games; they are more unpredictable than most teams.
I have no idea. Gordon is out for like the first time this season. Not sure whether that will be good or bad. I don't even know if Jennings and Reggie will go off, because they will be getting more Jrue/Cole/Douglas(?) and less Eric than most teams this season.
If I had to make a choice one or the other, I'd go under. I'm fairly pessimistic about the team's ability to perform right now and that may be coloring things, though.
Thanks. Appreciate it, might take the under.
Eti/Hasph/dorsey, what do you think about tonights Hawks/kings game? O/U is 215 and the spread is 1.
Eti/Hasph/dorsey, what do you think about tonights Hawks/kings game? O/U is 215 and the spread is 1.
By Kibner Go To PostDon't bet on Pels games; they are more unpredictable than most teams.
By PSYCH! Go To PostThanks. Appreciate it, might take the under.Lol. Don't do this Psy.
By KingGondo Go To PostLol. Don't do this Psy.I'm trying to warn him! Also, Psy, please take my advice seriously about setting up a monthly budget for gambling/entertainment and not going over. I don't want you to lose control and hurt yourself.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-nba-team-thats-bullish-on-the-opera-1453392856
Pau taking the word "bougie" to new heights.
Pau taking the word "bougie" to new heights.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2016_ratings.html
Knicks top 10 in both unadjusted and adjusted ORTG. Something something Triangle inefficient something something.
On another note - I don't know the cap stuff that well. So cap-wise people, help me out. Can the Knicks somehow afford to keep their top 9 guys, trade for George Hill and sign Derozan or Batum?
If they can offload Amundson/Seraphin/Calderon/Sasha - could they afford a team of: Melo/KP/RoLo/Batum/Hill starting with LT/Williams/Afflalo/Langston/Grant/Cleanthony/filler/filler/filler on the bench. Is there any conceivable way that this happens? Because, if so – that’s their blueprint to a top 3 seed in the East.
Knicks top 10 in both unadjusted and adjusted ORTG. Something something Triangle inefficient something something.
On another note - I don't know the cap stuff that well. So cap-wise people, help me out. Can the Knicks somehow afford to keep their top 9 guys, trade for George Hill and sign Derozan or Batum?
If they can offload Amundson/Seraphin/Calderon/Sasha - could they afford a team of: Melo/KP/RoLo/Batum/Hill starting with LT/Williams/Afflalo/Langston/Grant/Cleanthony/filler/filler/filler on the bench. Is there any conceivable way that this happens? Because, if so – that’s their blueprint to a top 3 seed in the East.
By KingGondo Go To PostLol. Don't do this Psy.feel pretty good about it for some reason. went 7/8 on a parlay last night.
By Kibner Go To PostI'm trying to warn him! Also, Psy, please take my advice seriously about setting up a monthly budget for gambling/entertainment and not going over. I don't want you to lose control and hurt yourself.Probably something I'll take into consideration whenever I start putting up more than 10 bucks on my bets.
By PSYCH! Go To Postfeel pretty good about it for some reason. went 7/8 on a parlay last night.And you lost your bet.
Just be smart man. You asked for advice, but it sounds like you don't want to take it.
Psy seems like he's only betting 10-15 bucks a night. He's already won the parlay a couple times right? Seems like he's WAYYYYYYYYYY ahead right now and it would take a couple months before he bleeds out his winnings at this pace.
It's weird watching someone devolve into a gambling addiction, and that's what we're all worried about. But he seems disciplined about it.
It's weird watching someone devolve into a gambling addiction, and that's what we're all worried about. But he seems disciplined about it.
By KingGondo Go To PostAnd you lost your bet.???
Just be smart man. You asked for advice, but it sounds like you don't want to take it.
f I had to make a choice one or the other, I'd go under.I'm definitely taking the advice man :P
By 3SidedPolygons Go To PostPsy seems like he's only betting 10-15 bucks a night. He's already won the parlay a couple times right? Seems like he's WAYYYYYYYYYY ahead right now and it would take a couple months before he bleeds out his winnings at this pace.started with 20 bucks at the beginning of the month, bankroll is 700 right now. It'd take while before I screw it all up but I'm gonna cash out $400.
It's weird watching someone devolve into a gambling addiction, and that's what we're all worried about. But he seems disciplined about it.
probably need a destructive hobby tbh
By PSYCH! Go To Post???You do you. You just seemed to gloss over the part where he said he doesn't trust their performance either way.
I'm definitely taking the advice man :P
started with 20 bucks at the beginning of the month, bankroll is 700 right now. It'd take while before I screw it all up but I'm gonna cash out $400.
probably need a destructive hobby tbh
5 plays at the most. Don't trust any of the spreads really. Might stick a money line in there depending on when Bovada puts them up.
Is it bad that I want Psy to lose now? Seriously, though, I'd rather you lose now than when you start betting more than you can afford to lose.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vzvc3U_4iqg
looking at footage of Love's career high--its a small sample size, but there's not a lot of action there that he couldn't get on the Cavs--a lot of off ball jumpers
looking at footage of Love's career high--its a small sample size, but there's not a lot of action there that he couldn't get on the Cavs--a lot of off ball jumpers
By Dark PhaZe Go To Posthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vzvc3U_4iqgNearly all of those jumpers came off pick and rolls and general off-ball movement. Don't the Cavs rarely do that with him and just stick him in a corner?
looking at footage of Love's career high–its a small sample size, but there's not a lot of action there that he couldn't get on the Cavs–a lot of off ball jumpers
Also, a lot of his offensive rebounds came from transition and semi-transition and CLE plays at one of the slowest paces in the league. That doesn't do him any favors, either.
By ratcliffja Go To PostIs it bad that I want Psy to lose now? Seriously, though, I'd rather you lose now than when you start betting more than you can afford to lose.O/U for the Clipper game is 202. I feel comfortable taking the over but how do you feel about the spread? Clippers are 6 point underdogs.
By Dark PhaZe Go To Posthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vzvc3U_4iqgLike Kibner saud there's a lot more movement for Love in those Clips. The majority of the time on the Cavs he's sitting in the corner. Kyrie and LeBron seem to prefer running the PnR with TT and make Love the release option when the defense collapses.
looking at footage of Love's career high–its a small sample size, but there's not a lot of action there that he couldn't get on the Cavs–a lot of off ball jumpers
Love is relegated to being the after thought on offense and he's not good enough to still put up efficient numbers while being the ugly ducking like Bosh was.
Coach LeBron doesn't trust him enough to run offense through him either.
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostI don't understand why you'd rather run a PNR with Tristan over Love…?They are trying to mitigate for a weakness (TT in the game clogs lane for everyone) instead of exploiting a strength (Love in the PnP). I guess they are trying to keep the rim as open as possible for LeBron and Kyrie drives.
Back to the fouls thing something definitely needs to be done, I don't care if someone is proficient at foul shots or not at this point. They're punished enough if/when they need to just based on chance. The strat as a last ditch effort used to delay time has now become some weapon to utilize against the guy with the shittiest free throw percentage over and over. Fouls are the most boring part of a game and make a win/loss incredibly tedious. When a game ends up in this battle of stalling I just switch the channel. And if a team has a Dwight, Jordan or Drummond that means I might be switching the channel well before the game is up. It's terrible Basketball. A game is shitty enough to watch when the refs are calling a foul on every other play, there doesn't need to be any more help with a shit ton of fouls on purpose. Free throws need to go back to being a punishment for hacking not a means to attempt at winning a game.
By PSYCH! Go To PostThanks. Appreciate it, might take the under.
Eti/Hasph/dorsey, what do you think about tonights Hawks/kings game? O/U is 215 and the spread is 1.
I feel its almost always safe to best the over on a Kings game. I assume the spread is the Hawks -1? That appears pretty safe, but the Kings can range from looking like the 4th best team in the league to the worst team in the league within a five minute stretch., so really no spread is safe with the Kings.
http://deadspin.com/heres-michael-jordan-gossip-that-we-desperately-want-to-1754143612
I hope all of this is true
I hope all of this is true
See, I'm all for something to discourage the Hack'A strat, but i don't really have a problem with it. Yeah, it ruins game flow, it's horrible to watch. But it re-enforces the point that basketball isn't just about dunking. There are skill elements to it. And that exploiting an opponents lack of skill is part and parcel of being a good team / coach.
ot but i need halp
blackace or any other japan slaenters willing to give me some tips/advice? visiting fukuoka in june.
blackace or any other japan slaenters willing to give me some tips/advice? visiting fukuoka in june.
By Red Blaster Go To Postot but i need halpSomebody made a "traveling Europe" thread, maybe make one about Japan?
blackace or any other japan slaenters willing to give me some tips/advice? visiting fukuoka in june.
I am fine with punishing excessive fouling, but not with removing free throws just because some guys are bad at it. If you want to put in "more than 3 fouls in 40 seconds results in a Technical" that be fine.
By etiolation Go To PostI feel its almost always safe to best the over on a Kings game. I assume the spread is the Hawks -1? That appears pretty safe, but the Kings can range from looking like the 4th best team in the league to the worst team in the league within a five minute stretch., so really no spread is safe with the Kings.You don't think 215 is a little high for teams on the back end of a b2b?
Easiest way to prevent excess fouling is to make it more punitive after x amount of team fouls in a quarter. Right now, 5 fouls puts you into the bonus, let's say 9 fouls it's freethrows and the ball back.
By reilo Go To PostEasiest way to prevent excess fouling is to make it more punitive after x amount of team fouls in a quarter. Right now, 5 fouls puts you into the bonus, let's say 9 fouls it's freethrows and the ball back.Hell I'm the kind of asshole where if it's just a completely blatant off ball foul I think why not treat it like a tech and the team can decide who goes to the line because fuck it, they weren't shooting.
I'm all for exploiting the tiny percentage of players that lack the ability to be even mediocre at a fundamental skill of the game.
By PSYCH! Go To PostYou don't think 215 is a little high for teams on the back end of a b2b?
The Kings play no defense and Karl's system manufactures points against almost any defense. You may have a point if the Hawks get stuck shooting jumpers on tired legs.
Games with the Kings on the 2nd night of a B2B are averaging 214.8 points. You are asking for that to jump a point for that o/u. Hawks avg 102 on 2nd night of B2B with some very low totals in certain losses. However, their B2B against the Rockets was high scoring. The Kings avg 114 on B2B. Their scoring has trended up in Jan.
However, Rudy Gay is questionable for tonight, btw. So that may be a more important factor.
We're gonna go down the rabbit hole here if we go into fundamental skills of the game and how those could be exploited if the rules were different. Back in the day the team could choose the foul shooter so "fundamental skill of the game" was left up to the best dude. You could also decline the foul and inbound instead. Games really shouldn't be won or lost on shots where the offense and defense don't actually go head to head but if this happens they should be lost by fouls at the very least, not won by them.
By PSYCH! Go To PostI'm all for exploiting the tiny percentage of players that lack the ability to be even mediocre at a fundamental skill of the game.
Even though I agree with this, it's incredibly boring to watch.
By etiolation Go To PostThe Kings play no defense and Karl's system manufactures points against almost any defense. You may have a point if the Hawks get stuck shooting jumpers on tired legs.Thanks for the explanation behind the reasoning. Bovada has suspended the selection right now. If they open it back up then I'll take the over. Even if Rudy doesn't play maybe Casspi or Belliinelli get really hot.
Games with the Kings on the 2nd night of a B2B are averaging 214.8 points. You are asking for that to jump a point for that o/u. Hawks avg 102 on 2nd night of B2B with some very low totals in certain losses. However, their B2B against the Rockets was high scoring. The Kings avg 114 on B2B. Their scoring has trended up in Jan.
However, Rudy Gay is questionable for tonight, btw. So that may be a more important factor.
By Fenderputty Go To PostEven though I agree with this, it's incredibly boring to watch.Because you watch Basketball as a battle between an offense and defense to get a ball in a hoop or defend said ball, you don't watch it for a free throw contest.
PORTLAND, Ore. (KOIN) — Longtime Trail Blazer Cliff Robinson is now blazing a trail for the use of marijuana as a medical treatment for athletes.Cool.
Robinson, who recently turned 49, is back in Portland promoting cannabis and will be a featured speaker at the Cannabis Collaborative Conference in February.
“I think I’ve always been an advocate for cannabis,” Robinson told KOIN 6 News. “(It’s) calming, calm my stomach, calm my nerves, so from that standpoint I see a lot of positives.”
Now that medical and recreational marijuana is legal in Oregon, Robinson is getting into the cannabis business under the name Uncle Spliffy.lmao
More here: http://koin.com/2016/01/20/ex-blazer-cliff-robinson-now-uncle-spliffy/
By Red Blaster Go To Postot but i need halpSure, what you need??
blackace or any other japan slaenters willing to give me some tips/advice? visiting fukuoka in june.
Looking at Sam Perkins and Cliff Robinson, I feel like marijuana deserves more credit for the creation of the stretch four.
By etiolation Go To PostLooking at Sam Perkins and Cliff Robinson, I feel like marijuana deserves more credit for the creation of the stretch four.You might be on to something.. from Dirk to Wallace...
By PSYCH! Go To PostO/U for the Clipper game is 202. I feel comfortable taking the over but how do you feel about the spread? Clippers are 6 point underdogs.The Clippers have been much more defensive focused without Blake's scoring. The Cavs have also struggled to find ways to score and have been trying to shore up their defense. I wouldn't be surprised at all if this was fairly low scoring.
Like Kibner saud there's a lot more movement for Love in those Clips. The majority of the time on the Cavs he's sitting in the corner. Kyrie and LeBron seem to prefer running the PnR with TT and make Love the release option when the defense collapses.
Love is relegated to being the after thought on offense and he's not good enough to still put up efficient numbers while being the ugly ducking like Bosh was.
Coach LeBron doesn't trust him enough to run offense through him either.
By Red Blaster Go To Postot but i need halpI was lucky in my timing last year and got to see a full day of sumo in Fukuoka. It was probably my highlight of the trip. A local had the box next to me and my friends and was drunk off his ass. He was hitting on every lady he could find and was constantly apologizing to us for his poor english. He did get us to go shake hands and get a poster from Kotoōshū Katsunori, though.
blackace or any other japan slaenters willing to give me some tips/advice? visiting fukuoka in june.
I think that was the only thing we did there. Sorry I can't offer actual fun things to do there!
e: oh! read up on how to use their fancy electronic toilets before you leave for Japan. Pressing the wrong button on the control panel when trying to flush and getting a jet of water up your ass can be surprising.