NBA Jan 2016 I The Assassination of Basketball by The Coward Sam Hinkie

Kawhi is a front court player. ASG is organized by 2 back court and 3 front court players. They don't break it down to pg/sg/sf/pf/c

He can play the 2 as well in larger ball much like how Butler and George can. There's no reason to keep him only as a wing. Based off performance, he's also with Durant as the two best in the West.

He deserves a start no questions asked.

What I'm saying is that for the All star selection, Kawhi is a front court player, he isn't available to be played in the back court.

By PSYCH! Go To PostPerformance, as in stats right?


Curry/CP3
Westbrook/Harden
Durant/Kawhi
Green/Griffin
Davis/Cousins

Wall/Lowry
Butler/DeRozan
George/Millsap
LeBron/Bosh
Drummond./Whiteside

That's a pretty good list, though I'm not sure about Whiteside.

If Wesley Mathews never made it based off of performance alone, then for sure as fuck Redick shouldn't either.

By Moris Go To PostIf the ASG was purely based on performance in this season, what would y'all lineups look like?

East Starters

Lowry
DeMar
Bron
Milsap
Drummond

Reserves
Reggie Jackson
Isaiah Thomas
Jimmy Butler
Paul George
Chris Bosh
Pau Gasol


West Starters

Wardell
Ynot
Kawhi
KD
Blake

Reserves

CP
Haren
Klay
Gtyme
Draymond
LMA

By ratcliffja Go To PostThat's a pretty good list, though I'm not sure about Whiteside.

yeah I was iffy on that, I guess Pau or maybe Monroe should back up Drummond but Whiteside does have the second highest PER and bunch of other advanced stats behind LeBron in the east.

Harden is On the bubble to me, Klay and Reddick are just barely behind him imo. Dame probably near Harden on the season so far tbh.

You guys really not picking Melo to play in the ASG? His team can't win without him and he's playing better defense and passing then perhaps ever.

By 3SidedPolygons Go To PostYou guys really not picking Melo to play in the ASG? His team can't win without him and he's playing better defense and passing then perhaps ever.

He's just not better than the other options, he's a scorer having one of his worst shooting years and his passing has lead to a .8 bump in his career average APG.

By Moris Go To PostHe's just not better than the other options, he's a scorer having one of his worst shooting years and his passing has lead to a .8 bump in his career average APG.

He used to play for D'Antoni and Karl. They play at a slower pace now. His assists % is 4.5 higher than his career average. Besides which, his fg% has climbed to 43%. So while not good, it's no longer not respectable and only .014 less than Derozan.

I don't see how Pau or Whiteside or even Bosh are ahead of Melo this year other than team record.

The fact that he's now a pretty hyper elite wing defender when looking at fg% against should be enough to push him over the edge.

For what it is I think my list is pretty good. Move positions around a bit but this is who should start and play.

I'd probably put Melo on my list as a reserve personally but I wouldn't flip a table over him being left out either.

By Moris Go To PostI'd probably put Melo on my list as a reserve personally but I wouldn't flip a table over him being left out either.

I think a reserve spot is fair. 12 spots total - you've got to assume 7 front court and 5 back court. So if Drummond/Lebron/PG start - Melo/Milsap/Bosh/Vucevic. That's a solid team.

Blatt would be the East coach but who would be the west.

Luke Walton or Pop? Walton should get it only cause Pop done it so many times in the past as it is and it's Walton who "helped" the Dubs get this far.

https://vine.co/v/iOVvdIQBglZ

I just saw this.

Dude. What.The.Fuck.

he has good foot work we have seen him dream shake a few times

By blackace Go To Posthe has good foot work we have seen him dream shake a few times

I know but I feel like it's usually been a little bit more robotic than this. He's still not fully balanced but I swear it looks much smoother than his previous few times. As if he picked this move up 4 months ago and is getting better and better at it - now doing it against elite defenders.

All signs point to him being the most indefensible player in the league in 3 years if he keeps developing.

By 3SidedPolygons Go To Posthttps://vine.co/v/iOVvdIQBglZ

I just saw this.

Dude. What.The.Fuck.

Whiteside esque

well if whiteside can do it, surely kristaps can.
hype deflated.

By Kabro Go To Postwell if whiteside can do it, surely kristaps can.
hype deflated.

Randle can't. Fuck!

The only interesting meaning game tonight is Houston v Detroit. I say that with the same enthusiasm as having to wash the car. Less than none. Houston are just boring. Though there is the chance that Drummond may end Dwights career, so there's that.

On the other hand, the Wolves v Mavs might actually break out into a fun game.

Former MVP vs Current MVP tonight

I mean Rose vs Jimmy

So there's this one dude in college who other than playing 2K never was into the NBA until this season. That's great!

The problem tho is everytime he starts a conversation about the NBA, it's only about Curry and the Warriors. Like, he reminded me that they're playing the Bulls tonight.

Also, we started a new class this morning and our teacher is black, lightskin. Dude says: "He kinda look like he could be Curry's father, right?"

BRUH

Coach Scott Skiles said he considered a lineup change, but his analytics show the team plays better with Channing Frye on the floor

What fucking analytics show that? Skiles talking out his ass now.

By fertygo Go To PostFormer MVP vs Current MVP tonight

I mean Rose vs Jimmy

first time two PG MVPs play each other.

I didn't realize Rose was playing really well his last 10 games: 18.5PPG, 48FG%. Only one game below 15 points in that span.

16.2PPG on 45FG% over his last 20.

By reilo Go To PostI didn't realize Rose was playing really well his last 10 games: 18.5PPG, 48FG%. Only one game below 15 points in that span.

16.2PPG on 45FG% over his last 20.

Play "well" yeah

what's our record during that span

dy send me some .gif

By fertygo Go To PostPlay "well" yeah

what's our record during that span

dy send me some .gif

The Bulls have the same winning percentage after 40 games as they did after 20 games: .600

Literally, nothing has changed. They are 12-8 over their last 20. They were 12-8 over their first 20.

By giririsss Go To PostThe only interesting meaning game tonight is Houston v Detroit. I say that with the same enthusiasm as having to wash the car. Less than none. Houston are just boring. Though there is the chance that Drummond may end Dwights career, so there's that.

On the other hand, the Wolves v Mavs might actually break out into a fun game.

You watched the Wolves before man? Sixers are easily more fun to watch now that Ish is there. The Drummond vs Dwight might be interesting only for the fact that Andre might be dumber than Dwight. He'll probably be in foul trouble too quickly for it to be any fun. Maybe Dwight will have a monster game like he did against the Clippers since he might be motivated playing against SVG idk.

Speaking of Drummond, outside of his sheer monster numbers, he's been kind of disappointing. I haven't checked the numbers but his defense isn't on the same stratosphere as prime Dwight even though he's pretty darn close athletically.His touch around the rim is TERRIBLE and he hasn't improved on his freethrows at all. Not sure why I'm expecting so much from him though, he's already blown expectations away from what experts thought he'd be from his draft year IIIRC.

While I'm on the subject of freak athlete centers. I have no doubt in my mind that DeAndre Jordan is the most athletic center I've ever seen. They way he jumps, how fast he jumps, his coordination in the air, jesus. He moves like a small forward, just incredible mobility. All while not being able to do anything on offense other than dunk.

By The Frankman Go To PostWhat fucking analytics show that? Skiles talking out his ass now.

Frye is in their best lineup(Fournier-Frye-Harris-Payton-Vucevic) and consistently in the Magic's best lineups

http://stats.nba.com/team/#!/1610612753/lineups/advanced/?sort=MIN&dir=1
http://stats.nba.com/team/#!/1610612753/lineups/

By PSYCH! Go To PostYou watched the Wolves before man? Sixers are easily more fun to watch now that Ish is there. The Drummond vs Dwight might be interesting only for the fact that Andre might be dumber than Dwight. He'll probably be in foul trouble too quickly for it to be any fun. Maybe Dwight will have a monster game like he did against the Clippers since he might be motivated playing against SVG idk.
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Watched the wolves, no, just their numbers. But the mavs are the sort of team that will get into a shoot out just because. Could be fun.

Drummond is putting up huge raw numbers. But it will be the first year people actually stop and notice him, it might take a while for him to find the consistency on both ends. Like it does most guys who grow into putting up huge numbers. The fact he shoots FT's worse than Deandre is staggering though.

By 3SidedPolygons Go To PostI know but I feel like it's usually been a little bit more robotic than this. He's still not fully balanced but I swear it looks much smoother than his previous few times. As if he picked this move up 4 months ago and is getting better and better at it - now doing it against elite defenders.

All signs point to him being the most indefensible player in the league in 3 years if he keeps developing.

i wouldnt call Noei an elite defender.

but yeah KP just has to figure out how to be that good for 24 ppg.

KP still has to learn consistency. Drummond has to learn how to be aggressive without fouling all the damn time.

By reilo Go To PostThe Bulls have the same winning percentage after 40 games as they did after 20 games: .600

Literally, nothing has changed. They are 12-8 over their last 20. They were 12-8 over their first 20.

we won 4 in a row when he out, lose 4 of 5 immediately when he return

Rose looks really good psychically, I think he can hang with Wall and Wesbrook again

But dude's really net negative out there, dude play no defense.. he and pau will not defend pick/screen and roll, its very understandable Pau won't switch ever, its will demand our PG fight every screen, Rose won't do it.. our defense is miles better with any our scrub tier PG than with him

He can't shoot, we looks better with Aaron Brooks than with him on offense

His passing and game management is also horrid, we forced to let Jimmy basically play as PG lately.

Its sickening me team that try to accommodate him than the otherwise, its not ideal

By PSYCH! Go To PostYou watched the Wolves before man? Sixers are easily more fun to watch now that Ish is there. The Drummond vs Dwight might be interesting only for the fact that Andre might be dumber than Dwight. He'll probably be in foul trouble too quickly for it to be any fun. Maybe Dwight will have a monster game like he did against the Clippers since he might be motivated playing against SVG idk.

Speaking of Drummond, outside of his sheer monster numbers, he's been kind of disappointing. I haven't checked the numbers but his defense isn't on the same stratosphere as prime Dwight even though he's pretty darn close athletically.His touch around the rim is TERRIBLE and he hasn't improved on his freethrows at all. Not sure why I'm expecting so much from him though, he's already blown expectations away from what experts thought he'd be from his draft year IIIRC.

While I'm on the subject of freak athlete centers. I have no doubt in my mind that DeAndre Jordan is the most athletic center I've ever seen. They way he jumps, how fast he jumps, his coordination in the air, jesus. He moves like a small forward, just incredible mobility. All while not being able to do anything on offense other than dunk.

prime Shaq has to be up there

DeAndre is someone who could be entirely capable of more but it's probably a failure of the coaching around him to really cultivate and refine it.

it's cool to have hops but no footwork and bad hands don't impress me

By 33MillionDollarMen Go To PostDeAndre is someone who could be entirely capable of more but it's probably a failure of the coaching around him to really cultivate and refine it.

Nah if anything he maximize his ceiling, he's low draft pick for a reason

and there's sea that separate him between such like McGee

I think there's possibility we underestimate his work ethic and attitude, he achieving that much despite limitation that can't be corrected

i wonder how many people misspell wades name when they tweet vote for him lol

like...90% of the vote tweets ive seen have it spelled wrong

By fertygo Go To PostNah if anything he maximize his ceiling, he's low draft pick for a reason

and there's sea that separate him between such like McGee

I think there's possibility we underestimate his work ethic and attitude, he achieving that much despite limitation that can't be corrected

I mean just being a low draft pick doesn't always reflect your talent or ceiling... just like being a lottery pick doesn't mean you'll be good...

By blackace Go To PostI mean just being a low draft pick doesn't always reflect your talent or ceiling… just like being a lottery pick doesn't mean you'll be good…

Sure..

Such like Thabeet drafted high despite his talent maybe not that amazing anyway, but let say DJ is compareable to Thatbeet, Thabeet already out from the league

or compare him to Drummond that a lot of people amazed with this season, How far DJ behind Drummond? really not that much and I'm not even sure Drummond is better than DJ

By fertygo Go To PostNah if anything he maximize his ceiling, he's low draft pick for a reason

and there's sea that separate him between such like McGee

I think there's possibility we underestimate his work ethic and attitude, he achieving that much despite limitation that can't be corrected

Wesley Matthews wasn't even drafted so that's not necessarily a salient point, plus there are plenty of high drafted folks who turn out to be all hype.

By 33MillionDollarMen Go To PostWesley Matthews wasn't even drafted so that's not necessarily a salient point, plus there are plenty of high drafted folks who turn out to be all hype.

The draft pick thing is weird. but the rest of his post is not too wrong.

I remember seeing DJ vids of him working on his post game a lot during the off season, and his shooting. He's just never transitioned it to in game. Guy does put in work, but eh.

I don't think you're too far off either though, i think you have to give guys post ups and be ok with them failing for a year or two for them to be good at it. But he was never going to get that when blake came there.

By Dark PhaZe Go To Posti wonder how many people misspell wades name when they tweet vote for him lol

like…90% of the vote tweets ive seen have it spelled wrong

No way he has s many vvotes as he does if they didn't count the "Dwayne" tweets/instgrams

Drummond is averaging 15 rebounds a game.

By PSYCH! Go To PostFrye is in their best lineup(Fournier-Frye-Harris-Payton-Vucevic) and consistently in the Magic's best lineups

http://stats.nba.com/team/#!/1610612753/lineups/advanced/?sort=MIN&dir=1
http://stats.nba.com/team/#!/1610612753/lineups/

BS. In January they're consistently played better with Frye off the court. He's using that Frye bump when they were hurt earlier in the year to justify keeping Frye in.

By giririsss Go To PostI don't think you're too far off either though, i think you have to give guys post ups and be ok with them failing for a year or two for them to be good at it. But he was never going to get that when blake came there.

i.e. Robin Lopez. Dude can have two left feet in the post and then have games where he's pretty effective. Gotta take the good with the bad.

No wade tonight faze. Idk about that +5.

Eric Gordon out 4-6 weeks with fractured finger.

By PSYCH! Go To PostEric Gordon out 4-6 weeks with fractured finger.

RIP one of our possible trade target ;_;