Windows & Mac Dual Boot: Halp.

MKBHD had a Hackintosh tutorial for people interested in doing mac and windows. Things might be different or easier from then till now
but the basis is similar.

I remember my friend having to get a specific motherboard to run it and doing everything to make sure I get as few kernel crashes or panics as possible. He helped me build it because language barrier at the time so maybe this video can help you? I want to try to be of assistance.

Using a Mac Keyboard and Trackpad would make things easier and boost your productivity but it's not really necessary.

We did it to have a Mac without having to spend for a Mac Pro so I don't use Windows on it. You can dual boot both tho.

Uhh, in short. No, you can't really run OSX on a normal PC.

I mean, YOU CAN. But it tends to be a laboriously fickle situation not really worth the effort. And none of it is official or even supported, at all, afaik.

yeah im reading over at tonymac it takes a lot of effort to dual boot.
and im reading there are random crashes, which is a huge no no as a workstation/
i was thinking of getting dual xeon Mac pro.
whats it like the other way around?
is installing W7 via bootcamp feasible?
isn't it just a virtualizing w7?

i suppose my other option is just import all HFS HDDs via software and into a RAID setup on my pc.

You can install Windows on any Mac rather easily and keep dual-boot. If you wanted to go this dual-OS route, that's how you would do it.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201468

so installing windows 7 on a Mac pro has no pitfalls at all?
no limitations?
you have to choose which to boot right?
and both aren't running at the same time?

fuckin aye reilo, i might have to consider switching over to the fascist side of the OS world.

Yea. You basically hold down a key to tell it to open the OS picker on boot, or you tell it to reboot into Windows. It's really easy. I did this several years ago, and it wasn't a hassle and it was a pure install, so not an emulator.

nice.
how about the Hackintosh route?
how much of a heartache is that?
like the same parts and periphirals as an offical mac pro?
i dont have 2 grand to spend, but I do have enough in my budget to rebuild my existing PC to a Hackintish build.

By K@do Go To Postnice.
how about the Hackintosh route?
how much of a heartache is that?
like the same parts and periphirals as an offical mac pro?
i dont have 2 grand to spend, but I do have enough in my budget to rebuild my existing PC to a Hackintish build.

A Hackintosh just requires some effort and specific parts like a specific motherboard.

You'll have occasional kernel panics but it's very infrequent and the only other con is that you have no real Apple support and you'll need to fix whatever issues on your own. You should be completely okay tho.

Making a Hackintosh and then creating a bootcamp windows partition or running via Parallels is great. Bootcamp is really just making a windows partition on your Mac.

It's pretty easy to get yourself OS X as well. Going that route and adding windows is the least painful way.

I'd say MacPro + Bootcamp.

Why not get a refurbished 2012 model for cheap, throw in a SSD as the primary HD and upgrade the RAM if needed? http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00747WW9E/ref=dp_olp_0?ie=UTF8&condition=all&qid=1449098291&sr=1-3

Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't see how those specs can't handle video editing.

Yeah, the other way around is easier. OS X just isn't designed to handle non-apple (i.e. the parts apple put in the mac) hardware. Where Windows is.

Just assumed it was out of his budget at the moment.

oh yeah, its definitely out of my price range. well for a new one anyways.
i might have to consider getting a refurbished Mac.
that or getting 2x 6TB HDDs in a RAID set up and dump footage from HFS HDDs.
also, there's no issues if i ocassionaly game on steam right?

By K@do Go To Postoh yeah, its definitely out of my price range. well for a new one anyways.
i might have to consider getting a refurbished Mac.
that or getting 2x 6TB HDDs in a RAID set up and dump footage from HFS HDDs.
also, there's no issues if i ocassionaly game on steam right?

If you're on windows, shouldn't be. If you're on OS X you'll need a mac version of the game.

By K@do Go To Postoh yeah, its definitely out of my price range. well for a new one anyways.
i might have to consider getting a refurbished Mac.
that or getting 2x 6TB HDDs in a RAID set up and dump footage from HFS HDDs.
also, there's no issues if i ocassionaly game on steam right?

Mac with Windows Bootcamp is a windows partition on your mac computer. Games work fine on the Windows partition. You just hold the command key on boot up to switch between OS partitions. On the Mac partition you will need a mac version if you play games on OS X, other than that you can access your games on windows partition fine.

Neither of them interfere with one another and you can access files between partitions. I believe it's read only but if you work around it you can write too. Or you can just save all your other files on exfat.

Doesn't Bootcamp partition the HDD for both OS X and Windows?
can't i just install the game on the Windows partition?

edit: ah, Shun answered it for me.

Shun, how about transferring files from OS X to the windows partition and vice versa?

Yes. If you get a MacPro, you can flat out install a separate HDD that just runs Windows. MacPros come with 4 (or 5?) HDD slots.

By reilo Go To PostYes. If you get a MacPro, you can flat out install a separate HDD that just runs Windows. MacPros come with 4 (or 5?) HDD slots.

damn, i should've done this years ago.
i work with a lot of post guys that simply dont give a shit if its exfat or HFS.
they're like, its your problem now.

so i decided to buy a mac pro for video editing and heavy compositing.
my budget is around $1500, give or take.
Im looking at a 2010 dual quad-core xeons, maybe 2.93ghz or higher. (nehalem or westmere)
my question is upgrade path. specifically the mobo/cpu.
are there any firmware and physical restrictions if i go as old as 2010 mac pros?
i would like to upgrade the mobo and cpu to e3 or e5 xeons in the future.


shun, reilo im looking at you two. :) <3

Here are the chassis differences, left is 2006-2012 while the right is 2013-current

Mac Pro from 2008 can be on the latest firmware. You will be able to run the latest or basically any OS you'd like. Think the Mac Pro also supports triple booting so you have have multiple OS you want.

Really if you update the parts there isn't a bottleneck between models. It's just the size and port differences. The only real bottleneck which is true for every Mac Pro model is that the processor is not meant to be user replaced so if you want to upgrade it, you would need to trust yourself that you can do it, or remove your processor tray and send it to Apple or OWC or someone with experience to preinstall an upgraded processor for you.

Either way those processors are really fast and beyond my experience anyway since I never dealt with anything that strong. It should last you a while anyway.

The real thing you're missing from the 2010 models is that these haven't been updated with USB 3.0 and Thunderbolt. Not sure if you can switch out the board to add in USB 3.0 or Thunderbolt ports. If those are necessary for you for data transfer, display, etc. from files that you get from your colleagues I would try getting the 2013 chassis.

However, if that no problem, you can still run a RAID configuration with SSDs in your Mac Pro and have comparable speeds to Thunderbolt. You just be storing for files and doing all the hard work somewhere else. Probably through an FTP or something. You have I think 4 PCIe slots to do what you need to do.

The 2013 revision also takes up a lot less space than the big aluminum first generation model.

Reilo be more help since he probably went to school for this, I study english/political science at Cal hope it helps with language barrier.

Update: Yes you can upgrade your CPU, there are tutorials. I would just rather send in the processor slot to OWC and have them install the 3.46 12-core into your processor slot and you just throw it back in.

http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/turnkey/MacPro/2010_Xeon_Processor

cool thanks Shun.
so, i can't even change out the motherboard if i wanted to upgrade from a dual 1366 socket mobo to a dual 1155 mobo?

From what I understand no, you can't really change out the logic board because there might be power supply changes and compatibility issues because of the custom design for each revision. Everything else should be fine.

dammit. welp.
I really want to upgrade to e5-2600s in the near future, but i can't afford it just yet.
way too expensive.
back to the drawing board again.
maybe im better off getting a dell precision with dual xeons and have a RAID 16TB setup and just dumping footage from HFS HDDs unto there.