By 3SidedPolygons Go To PostNo their entire problem is that everyone except for Afflalo and Lance Thomas are having poor shooting years so far. The fact that they have 14 wins when they should have like 6 due to their inability to make even easy shots is a testament to coaching.you can't attribute hot streaks to coaching wtf lol
if anything, falling off a cliff is more of a testament to coaching - it says that in all those positives displayed, you couldn't maintain one thing as a constant.
By DY_nasty Go To Postyou can't attribute hot streaks to coaching wtf lol
if anything, falling off a cliff is more of a testament to coaching - it says that in all those positives displayed, you couldn't maintain one thing as a constant.
Wait, what on earth do you think I said? At this point you just want to argue just for the sake of argument lol.
Did you guys know that the Knicks rank 8th in FG% on shots 16-3pt range, 14th on shots 10-16ft, and 8th on shots 3-10ft?
They're 28th on FG% on 0-3ft, 25th in dunks made and 27th in layups made? Surely, a failure of shooting prowess.
They're 28th on FG% on 0-3ft, 25th in dunks made and 27th in layups made? Surely, a failure of shooting prowess.
No one on the Knicks has a proper killer instinct and there is never a main 5 to close out games. There have been so many games the Knicks could have won but either collapsed completely in the fourth or kept it close and made dumb decisions.
By 3SidedPolygons Go To PostWait, what on earth do you think I said? At this point you just want to argue just for the sake of argument lol.the knicks started off hot. now they're not - and fisher hasn't taken anything from those exceptional performances to really build off of down the road. the roster doesn't look like they've played together anymore
That playoff spot is just sitting there begging us to take it, but we dare look it in the face and get injured.
The 7 teams in the league that have a below average 3PT% but a .500+ record:
Clippers, Mavericks, Hawks, Celtics, Pistons, Heat, Grizzlies
The 1 team in the league that has a bottom five 3PT% but a .500 record:
Grizzlies
The bottom five teams in 3PT%:
Knicks, Nets, Timberwolves, 76ers, Grizzlies, Lakers
Clippers, Mavericks, Hawks, Celtics, Pistons, Heat, Grizzlies
The 1 team in the league that has a bottom five 3PT% but a .500 record:
Grizzlies
The bottom five teams in 3PT%:
Knicks, Nets, Timberwolves, 76ers, Grizzlies, Lakers
By reilo Go To PostDid you guys know that the Knicks rank 8th in FG% on shots 16-3pt range, 14th on shots 10-16ft, and 8th on shots 3-10ft?
They're 28th on FG% on 0-3ft, 25th in dunks made and 27th in layups made? Surely, a failure of shooting prowess.
They're 26th in FG% and 25th in 3 point %. Breaking down the numbers and showing them overachieving from mid range just shows why the Triangle is a good idea for this team. So what on earth are you arguing?
Just permanently stop with the Fuck the Knicks nonsense. You're just screwed up in the head from your irrational nonsensical teaparty level hatred. Go talk about LMA being a bitchass or something - it's actually filled with less salt than this topic.
By DY_nasty Go To Postbtw phaze, yal trade beal yet?
clearly he was holding gortat back
its not going to happen but at least ernie is showing the slightest wet fart of a resistance towards a max
By 3SidedPolygons Go To PostThey're 26th in FG% and 25th in 3 point %. Breaking down the numbers and showing them overachieving from mid range just shows why the Triangle is a good idea for this team. So what on earth are you arguing?That they suck at finishing near the rim and are terrible three point shooting team, which is a recipe for disaster in today's league? Overachieving on midrange FG% is like, not the way to win in today's league. If that's "success of the triangle", then wooh. Good luck.
By 3SidedPolygons Go To PostJust permanently stop with the Fuck the Knicks nonsense. You're just screwed up in the head from your irrational nonsensical teaparty level hatred. Go talk about LMA being a bitchass or something - it's actually filled with less salt than this topic.And he's mad. Officially. About a team he's not even willing to admit being a fan of.
By DY_nasty Go To Posthttps://twitter.com/ChiSportUpdates/status/681670653750161408Glad i got Miami lebron
lol lawry
and WOW. https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/3ymj09/lebron_james_is_now_the_worst_shooter_from/
By reilo Go To PostAnd he's mad. Officially. About a team he's not even willing to admit being a fan of.Replacing h3ro with Vahagn is probably one of the worst deals that Jackson is responsible for.
like gaby said, this shit does get old....
By Dark PhaZe Go To Postits not going to happen but at least ernie is showing the slightest wet fart of a resistance towards a maxand i'll admit to being wrong about oubre. dude looks legit
By reilo Go To PostThat they suck at finishing near the rim and are terrible three point shooting team, which is a recipe for disaster in today's league? Overachieving on midrange FG% is like, not the way to win in today's league. If that's "success of the triangle", then wooh. Good luck.
And he's mad. Officially. About a team he's not even willing to admit being a fan of.
I'd be fine if you presented one good argument. But it's all just stupidity. A mindless regurgitation of cherry picked numbers with no underlying understanding of principle. You present as much nuanced thought as your moniker man.
When a team shoots poorly and still wins games, that's usually a result of good coaching - because going on cold and hot streaks isn't really something the coach can work on. Luke Walton isn't the best coach in league history because he's got the best collection of shooters ever.
By DY_nasty Go To Postlike gaby said, this shit does get old…. and i'll admit to being wrong about oubre. dude looks legit
The only thing that gets old is Gaby's incessant whining. He defends players based solely on their nationality and feels pride at being a fan of a shitshow run organization under IT but bitches nonstop about Phil's one year tenure getting his franchise the best prospect it's had in 30 years. He's not to be taken seriously.
By 3SidedPolygons Go To PostI'd be fine if you presented one good argument. But it's all just stupidity. A mindless regurgitation of cherry picked numbers with no underlying understanding of principle. You present as much nuanced thought as your moniker man.A pattern I recognize is that the more polite/subdued the criticism of Phil is, the more violent 3SP is. When you troll him hard, he kinda finds a hole to hide in, but if you're calm like reilo, he'll come out guns blazing with much more vulgarity than anyone.
Anyway, over/under on the discrepancy in boards gathered by Drummond and Lopez tonight:, I'll say + 15 in favor of Drummond
So speaking of the Knicks, peeps have been spamming my FB with trade rumors of a three team deal.
Dwight and Luke Babbit to Knicks
KJ McDaniels, Robin Lopez, Kyle O'Quinn, and Terrence Jones to Pelicans
Ryno, Asik, Derrick Williams, and Calderon to Rox
99% chance of being bullshit, as I don't see the Knicks brining in someone like Howard unless they actually thought they had a shot of winning this year (they don't). Not a bad haul for the Rox though.
Dwight and Luke Babbit to Knicks
KJ McDaniels, Robin Lopez, Kyle O'Quinn, and Terrence Jones to Pelicans
Ryno, Asik, Derrick Williams, and Calderon to Rox
99% chance of being bullshit, as I don't see the Knicks brining in someone like Howard unless they actually thought they had a shot of winning this year (they don't). Not a bad haul for the Rox though.
By reilo Go To PostCool, now you're just resulted to a man throwing out ad-hominem attacks.
If the Knicks are a piss poor team at converting open looks - there's literally NOTHING other than that a coach can do. If they're a piss poor team at making the most efficient shots in basketball - that's even worse.
A normal person with a shred of common sense would think that if you're struggling to make open shots, 3's, and layups at a league average clip - you're doomed. The fact that they have a respectable record and are properly or overachieving based on projections and their talent level should tell you the coach is doing a good job.
By Sho_Nuff82 Go To PostSo speaking of the Knicks, peeps have been spamming my FB with trade rumors of a three team deal.
Dwight and Luke Babbit to Knicks
KJ McDaniels, Robin Lopez, Kyle O'Quinn, and Terrence Jones to Pelicans
Ryno, Asik, Derrick Williams, and Calderon to Rox
99% chance of being bullshit, as I don't see the Knicks brining in someone like Howard unless they actually thought they had a shot of winning this year (they don't). Not a bad haul for the Rox though.
Phil's always said he would love to build a team around Dwight.
By Fenderputty Go To PostPhil's always said he would love to build a team around Dwight.
How many games does a Dwight/Melo/KP/Afflalo/Wroten lineup actually win though?
By Fenderputty Go To PostPhil's always said he would love to build a team around Dwight.
That's an amazing deal for the Knicks. They get out from under Calderon's and Lopez' contracts, all they have to give up are Williams and O Quinn and they get back Dwight and lose no picks?
It decimates their bench though so you would think the Knicks would either need to make another trade or ride out the year and hope to upgrade at PG and fill out the bench again next year.
By 3SidedPolygons Go To PostThey get out from under Calderon's and Lopez' contractsBrought to you by a genius GM ™
By reilo Go To PostThe 7 teams in the league that have a below average 3PT% but a .500+ record:Sigh...
Clippers, Mavericks, Hawks, Celtics, Pistons, Heat, Grizzlies
The 1 team in the league that has a bottom five 3PT% but a .500 record:
Grizzlies
The bottom five teams in 3PT%:
Knicks, Nets, Timberwolves, 76ers, Grizzlies, Lakers
By reilo Go To PostThe 7 teams in the league that have a below average 3PT% but a .500+ record:This is close to what you'd expect from chance, right?
Clippers, Mavericks, Hawks, Celtics, Pistons, Heat, Grizzlies
The 1 team in the league that has a bottom five 3PT% but a .500 record:
Grizzlies
The bottom five teams in 3PT%:
Knicks, Nets, Timberwolves, 76ers, Grizzlies, Lakers
* About 50% of teams will have a .500+ record.
* About 50% of teams will have a below average 3P%.
* About 5/30 (1/6) of teams will have a bottom five 3P%.
You'd conclude that about .5 * .5 of all teams (7.5 of 30) would have a below average 3P% and a .500 record (there are actually 7) and about .5 * 1/6 of all teams (2.5 of 30) would have a bottom five 3P% but a .500 record (there is actually 1).
Also, you listed six teams, and according to basketball-reference the Knicks and Heat are tied at six (they are both at .329 vs .328 for the Nets, though if you do the math to enough digits the Knicks are very marginally worse than the Heat) so it really does look a lot like chance.
Withey is allowing 35% at the rim, BTW. Per @NylonCalculus, most valuable rim protector in the league playing >10 min/gm.
Yessss.
By Sho_Nuff82 Go To PostHow many games does a Dwight/Melo/KP/Afflalo/Wroten lineup actually win though?
I'm not sure he makes that trade with this year in mind, honestly. And to be fair, he made those statements about Dwight before he became a shell of his former self that will still demand top dollar.
I'm going to say something stupid but I don't care, given the importance of the 3 game, the rules in the paint, the rebounding prowess of some 4s and generally what I've seen on the court is the traditional center just kind of a liability and in the way?
By 13MillionDollarMan Go To PostI'm going to say something stupid but I don't care, given the importance of the 3 game, the rules in the paint, the rebounding prowess of some 4s and generally what I've seen on the court is the traditional center just kind of a liability and in the way?No, because they still have a ton of value on defense. By RPM DeAndre Jordan is the best player on the Clippers, despite being DeAndre Jordan.
No, a traditional center is very useful. A strong post game sags in a defense, resulting in kickouts for open threes. You also draw a lot of fouls directly upon the opposing teams bigs, weakening their defense by sending their primary centers and rebounders to the bench.
By Sharp Go To PostNo, because they still have a ton of value on defense. By RPM DeAndre Jordan is the best player on the Clippers, despite being DeAndre Jordan.This isn't the best example of proving me wrong =/.
By 13MillionDollarMan Go To PostThis isn't the best example of proving me wrong =/.It totally is, though, because DJ basically fits your profile of "useless center" to a T (there's a great PF rebounder on the same team, can't make a shot outside the paint, has zero handle, a liability at the free throw line, most everyone else on that team can shoot threes), yet he still might be more valuable than CP3 and Blake thanks to his defense. Unless you're just saying the Clippers suck :P
By 13MillionDollarMan Go To PostI'm going to say something stupid but I don't care, given the importance of the 3 game, the rules in the paint, the rebounding prowess of some 4s and generally what I've seen on the court is the traditional center just kind of a liability and in the way?
What have you seen on the Court? Every top team starts a traditional center - and the two top teams in the East and West that go small ball - have an All Star max player at the 4 spot with 3 point range.
You want to build a homeless version of the Cavs or the Warriors - go ahead. But it's reactionary and not a good way to build a team.
By Sharp Go To PostI Unless you're just saying the Clippers suck :PKind of this I guess, the sad thing is CP3/Blake are actually good players but yes the Clippers as a whole are doodoo.
By 3SidedPolygons Go To PostWhat have you seen on the Court? Every top team starts a traditional center - and the two top teams in the East and West that go small ball - have an All Star max player at the 4 spot with 3 point range.but the cavs are a homeless version of the heat lol
You want to build a homeless version of the Cavs or the Warriors - go ahead. But it's reactionary and not a good way to build a team.
By Dark PhaZe Go To Postnba scout said skal might barely get run for UK anymore this season
his minutes have been dropping faster than Alex Poythress' did lol
How did so many scouts miss this bad.
dude looks weak as fuck
By 3SidedPolygons Go To PostWhat have you seen on the Court? Every top team starts a traditional center - and the two top teams in the East and West that go small ball - have an All Star max player at the 4 spot with 3 point range.Everything's kind of reactionary to a point, there's a reason I said "traditional" and didn't flat out say centers are useless. It just seems like they need to be versed in some other things or used unconventionally a bit otherwise their cons outweigh their pros.
You want to build a homeless version of the Cavs or the Warriors - go ahead. But it's reactionary and not a good way to build a team.
By DY_nasty Go To Postbut the cavs are a homeless version of the heat lol
The Lebron era heat? Who cares they don't exist anymore. Not even that version of Lebron exists anymore.
No problem in building a homeless version of the Warriors if the Warriors didn't exist.
What's a traditional center? Dwight Howard? Jordan?
They have value for their defense alone, and if the other team has one, you're gonna want one to counter.
Is this backwards?
They have value for their defense alone, and if the other team has one, you're gonna want one to counter.
By DY_nasty Go To Postbut the cavs are a homeless version of the heat lol
Is this backwards?
By 13MillionDollarMan Go To PostEverything's kind of reactionary to a point, there's a reason I said "traditional" and didn't flat out say centers are useless. It just seems like they need to be versed in some other things or used unconventionally a bit otherwise their cons outweigh their pros.
There's reactionary like "we're going to copy you and make a piss poor version" and there's reactionary like "we're going to find your antidote". The Mavs didn't beat the Lakers by out-posting up the Lakers. They beat them by spreading them out and shooting 3's. The Spurs didn't beat the Heat by out isolating the Heat with superstar wings - they beat them with ball movement.
As long as this Warriors team is together and has 6-7 guys that shoot 40%+ from 3, play top tier defense, and have the most uniquely gifted NBA player since Lebron and Jordan - you're not beating them playing small.
Vahagan brings up something I hadn't thought about.
Does the league trying to emulate the Warriors end up helping the Warriors? More teams have transitioned to a more open style with smaller 4s. Is that one of the reasons they are dominating so much? Everyone is playing their game, but they are the masters of that game.
I doubt they want to have games where they need to play Bogut and Speights heavy minutes.
Does the league trying to emulate the Warriors end up helping the Warriors? More teams have transitioned to a more open style with smaller 4s. Is that one of the reasons they are dominating so much? Everyone is playing their game, but they are the masters of that game.
I doubt they want to have games where they need to play Bogut and Speights heavy minutes.
By 13MillionDollarMan Go To PostKind of this I guess, the sad thing is CP3/Blake are actually good players but yes the Clippers as a whole are doodoo.I mean, I know what you're thinking--there aren't really a lot of centers with a claim to best player in the league, and haven't been since Shaq--but I think a lot of that is because people who would have previously declared themselves as centers call themselves PFs, like AD and DMC, or less recently KG and Duncan (we'll see about Towns). I also think people kind of overrate some centers from the past: looking back, the Admiral and Dream were on another level from Ewing, Zo, and others of that era. In general, it seems like seven footers who are great rim protectors are pretty much just as valuable now as they were then, whatever you want to call them, and the ones with decent offensive games have as much chance to run the league as anyone else. But that kind of talent only comes around like twice a decade, it seems.
To go back to my Knicks post for a second.
http://stats.nba.com/team/#!/1610612752/lineups/advanced/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4
And two more pages to boot. What the fuck honestly.
http://stats.nba.com/team/#!/1610612752/lineups/advanced/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4
And two more pages to boot. What the fuck honestly.
By 13MillionDollarMan Go To PostI'm not just talking about what the Warriors are capable of why are you fixated on them?
Because what's the point of building a team if you're not trying to win? If you're building a team, and you're trying to unseat the champions, and you agree with the premise (and you may not) that emulating the Warriors is less effective than finding an alternative style that can beat theirs - then yes a traditional center is valuable.
By 13MillionDollarMan Go To PostTo go back to my Knicks post for a second.
http://stats.nba.com/team/#!/1610612752/lineups/advanced/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4
And two more pages to boot. What the fuck honestly.
The Magic have 4 pages and the Celtics have 5. What's your point?