By Dark PhaZe Go To PostWonder if Phil could swing a Melo for some boston firsts dealmelo has a NTC. I don't see him leaving NY.
By Gabyskra Go To PostI'll stick to making points, just like I was doing before I was told what I wrote was "lulz" (which imo gave me a license to go for banter, from someone who wouldn't complain about it afterwards…).
Right now I feel like summarizing common feelings:
- Calderon is trash
- Lopez is disposable
- Afflalo should be benched
And I won't comment much but just say: these are litterally the pickings of the three biggest moves by the Knicks' staff (that and the other fantastic deal they got by turning Iman Shumpert into Lance Thomas).
But in defense of said staff, I hear the triangle is doing wonders in the Philippines, which is so relevant an example it might be the 20th best league in the world, no less. I should try to "understand" it more (I heard that advice from someone who told me about all those multiple Euroleague titles that David Blatt supposedly won in an alternate universe!).
I read that too... It's an interesting story tho
Wroten fights back form injury and legit liked being here despite the fuckery.
and you cut him...a day before Christmas too.
fuck you Hinkie.
Ish is solid and better than every PG on the roster but you should have kept him in the first damn place you chode...now you give up your precious assets for a guy who WILL walk AGAIN at the end of the year.
But then again this smells like a Jerry move in a "stop looking like shit on a stick" type thing...oh well maybe Noel won't go cry in the car now that he has the only PG that got him the ball in the best spots.
I want the upgrade our wings next then
and you cut him...a day before Christmas too.
fuck you Hinkie.
Ish is solid and better than every PG on the roster but you should have kept him in the first damn place you chode...now you give up your precious assets for a guy who WILL walk AGAIN at the end of the year.
But then again this smells like a Jerry move in a "stop looking like shit on a stick" type thing...oh well maybe Noel won't go cry in the car now that he has the only PG that got him the ball in the best spots.
I want the upgrade our wings next then
isn't ish smith like decent?
marshall and ish upgrade.
6ers just jumped from projected 1 win for the seasons, to 8!
marshall and ish upgrade.
6ers just jumped from projected 1 win for the seasons, to 8!
By DY_nasty Go To Postnobody wants meloHe is still solid, I am sure there are teams out there.
By pilonv1 Go To PostVery SixersI have literally seen him drive to the basket and, as he was gathering to jump, the two men at the rim just bolted outside the paint to protect against the pass, leaving the rim completely unprotected and Ish wide open; Ish saw the open layup as he was jumping and decided "nah" and tried to make a pass to someone on the perimeter.
It was a turnover.
By unknown Go To PostHe is still solid, I am sure there are teams out there.
His contract is pretty bad. You'd have to give up too much to add him then you're saddled with his contract.
By Kibner Go To PostI have literally seen him drive to the basket and, as he was gathering to jump, the two men at the rim just bolted outside the paint to protect against the pass, leaving the rim completely unprotected and Ish wide open; Ish saw the open layup as he was jumping and decided "nah" and tried to make a pass to someone on the perimeter.Ah, we in NY call that "The Calderon"
It was a turnover.
By reilo Go To PostMelo has the same contract as Anthony Davis.no? Davis signed a 5 year/145M contract. Isn't Melo's 120M/?
The Unmitigated Gall! Phil Phailed!
Cmon, you know damn well Calderon can't get to the rim
By The Frankman Go To PostAh, we in NY call that "The Calderon"
Cmon, you know damn well Calderon can't get to the rim
By 3SidedPolygons Go To PostCmon, you know damn well Calderon can't get to the rimHe just did that yesterday!
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostWonder if Phil could swing a Melo for some boston firsts deal
Hell no
Melo for the Knicks was like Joe Johnson for the Hawks... They HAD to sign him and they were going to overpay him. It will be a few years before someone is desperate enough to take that contract from them, I reckon.
By blackace Go To PostMelo for the Knicks was like Joe Johnson for the Hawks… They HAD to sign him and they were going to overpay him. It will be a few years before someone is desperate enough to take that contract from them, I reckon.No one will be desperate to take him in a few, he is 31. Most likely retires in NY.
By unknown Go To PostNo one will be desperate to take him in a few, he is 31. Most likely retires in NY.you most likely right. It's even worse than the JJ contract
I wonder if Iso Joe is just legitimately terrible or has just stopped caring about basketball. His numbers are awful but he is 34.
By PSYCH! Go To PostI wonder if Iso Joe is just legitimately terrible or has just stopped caring about basketball. His numbers are awful but he is 34.doesn't care
probably gonna end up hooping in detroit next year and playing solid once he leaves bl
just looked at kemba's minutes loooooooooooooooooooooool wtf
how a guy with those numbers gets this kind of court time is baffling
how a guy with those numbers gets this kind of court time is baffling
I don't even know https://amp.twimg.com/v/a3c56191-fcf8-4d88-a752-3cb1b6907bab
By reilo Go To PostI don't even know https://amp.twimg.com/v/a3c56191-fcf8-4d88-a752-3cb1b6907babmerry christmas
Why are we talking about Melo trades as if he's plagued the team this season? His defense has been solid. His assists have been solid. His rebounding is great, as always. He's not remotely the reason why the Knicks tend to struggle in seemingly random situations. He might be having one of his best overall seasons ever if he maintains it.
It has consistently been Fisher's awful rotations, final minutes decisions, and of course the lack of a dependable closing 5. Knicks need to embrace small-ball with KP at the 5. Lopez has some spurts, but he's shown an inability to grab a rebound commandingly. He has frequently come down with a ball only to lose it.
A great center shouldn't be looking to pass the ball back out after a rebound while 5-feet out. He should take it up. With Lopez when he tries to hook or shoot it from close range, he rushes the shot so much. I feel like a majority of his made hooks have been luck.
I also don't like Fisher's coaching style. He is way too soft and doesn't get up in his players' ass. I think a lot of it has to do with age - he's played with a lot of these guys before and I imagine it could be difficult to separate yourself from being a fellow player to being their chief on the court.
It has consistently been Fisher's awful rotations, final minutes decisions, and of course the lack of a dependable closing 5. Knicks need to embrace small-ball with KP at the 5. Lopez has some spurts, but he's shown an inability to grab a rebound commandingly. He has frequently come down with a ball only to lose it.
A great center shouldn't be looking to pass the ball back out after a rebound while 5-feet out. He should take it up. With Lopez when he tries to hook or shoot it from close range, he rushes the shot so much. I feel like a majority of his made hooks have been luck.
I also don't like Fisher's coaching style. He is way too soft and doesn't get up in his players' ass. I think a lot of it has to do with age - he's played with a lot of these guys before and I imagine it could be difficult to separate yourself from being a fellow player to being their chief on the court.
"nobody wants him" x10
and wtf would getting in people's faces do? lmao. lance thomas and kyle oquinn would be trash regardless. the reason the knicks are always going 10+ deep is because fisher trusts no one on that team.
and who deserves it?
and wtf would getting in people's faces do? lmao. lance thomas and kyle oquinn would be trash regardless. the reason the knicks are always going 10+ deep is because fisher trusts no one on that team.
and who deserves it?
By DY_nasty Go To Post"nobody wants him" x10The guys who he built up in the system - Galloway, Amundson, and Thomas. Which not surprisingly, are starting to get solid minutes again (Amundson really is filling in for O'Quinn though). Galloway had the slump but is doing better now, and Thomas is playing himself into a role.
and wtf would getting in people's faces do? lmao. lance thomas and kyle oquinn would be trash regardless. the reason the knicks are always going 10+ deep is because fisher trusts no one on that team.
and who deserves it?
By reilo Go To PostI don't even know https://amp.twimg.com/v/a3c56191-fcf8-4d88-a752-3cb1b6907babDafuq did I just watch
By blackace Go To Postyou most likely right. It's even worse than the JJ contract
It has potential to be bad I'll admit that but come on man, just based on % of team cap alone Melo's deal will never get close to JJ bad. Hell JJ didn't deserve that max when he got it, at least Melo deserved it even though the team was shit.
Right now for his minutes Melo is near his career avg too in most statistical categories. Also you never know Melo might opt out of the final year and renegotiate for a longer deal like other stars have done.
By DY_nasty Go To Post"nobody wants him" x10
and wtf would getting in people's faces do?
Uhhh...accountability?
Ever seen how Pop coaches on the fly? He benches players for ONE dumbass mistake, chews their ear off, and puts them back into the game 45 seconds later. Phil used to do the same shit.
Letting young players 'play through' bad game is bullshit. That's for trusted veterans, not younger players. And Fisher is always letting them play through it.
By DY_nasty Go To Post"nobody wants him" x10Bulls wanted melo, you forgot already? He still has around 3 or so yrs of good play left. Kyle and thomas for role players are fine.
and wtf would getting in people's faces do? lmao. lance thomas and kyle oquinn would be trash regardless. the reason the knicks are always going 10+ deep is because fisher trusts no one on that team.
and who deserves it?
By Zeus Ex Machina Go To PostIt has potential to be bad I'll admit that but come on man, just based on % of team cap alone Melo's deal will never get close to JJ bad. Hell JJ didn't deserve that max when he got it, at least Melo deserved it even though the team was shit.
Right now for his minutes Melo is near his career avg too in most statistical categories. Also you never know Melo might opt out of the final year and renegotiate for a longer deal like other stars have done.
don't know how JJ didn't deserve a max from the Hawks. By all accounts his time there, there was nothing but success... You could argue that JJ's efforts made the Hawks a semi- legit franchise compared to the joke they were... they almost owed it to him.
Melo's contract isn't SO horrible money wise but the NTC makes it worse
By blackace Go To Postdon't know how JJ didn't deserve a max from the Hawks. By all accounts his time there, there was nothing but success… You could argue that JJ's efforts made the Hawks a semi- legit franchise compared to the joke they were… they almost owed it to him.
Melo's contract isn't SO horrible money wise but the NTC makes it worse
Yeah but he still was never good enough to deserve to be the second highest paid player in the league. I mean contracts were worse then too overall but that was ridiculous.
I'm not gonna argue Melo's contract isn't comparable because he is number 4 right now, but the last CBA is making his contract a lot better than JJ as it ages. He'll likely be out of the top 10-15 contracts in the NBA by the time its over. Hell there is a chance he won't even be the highest paid player on the knicks if they can pick up a new max player in 2017 (which is when they should go all in).
Right now there are so many worse contracts than Melo for this convo too. Rose, Matthews, Carroll, and Dragic are shitty from Jump.
By AlphaSnacks Go To PostUhhh…accountability?pop has the respect from the entire league and a hallway full of trophies
Ever seen how Pop coaches on the fly? He benches players for ONE dumbass mistake, chews their ear off, and puts them back into the game 45 seconds later. Phil used to do the same shit.
Letting young players 'play through' bad game is bullshit. That's for trusted veterans, not younger players. And Fisher is always letting them play through it.
derek fisher was a role player on a great team, got the job because his boss used to be the coach, and as a new coach has to create his own name. digging in asses isn't how that works. (the whole theatrics of "getting in players' faces doesnt even work past the high school level but that's another thing entirely). basically, you cant compare fish to pop. you can't even compare fish to kerr anymore. fish isn't working a proven system for an org that pretty much always wins. huge difference.
there isn't a single trusted vet on ny's roster aside from melo (who nobody wants). afflalo's entire career is highlighted by inconsistency, lopez ....gaby describes perfectly, and no one else on that roster is worth talking about as a 'trusted' anything. fish is trying to grow guys who either can't or won't grow and the young guys that he has (outside of KP da gawd) are flatout our terrible - but he can't play favorites because the roster next year isn't even certain.
i'm always puzzled how you guys shit on fish around the clock but won't look at what he has to work with
i don't envy the coach that has to decide between trying to turn a game around with lance thomas, derrick williams, koq, seraphin, and amundson
like... most coaches would see that shit and go coach alabama basketball or something
Portland didn't want Lopez and Afflalo back (they gave up a first to acquire Afflalo to begin with), and it still looks like the correct decision, especially at the prices they went for.
By reilo Go To PostPortland didn't want Lopez and Afflalo back (they gave up a first to acquire Afflalo to begin with), and it still looks like the correct decision, especially at the prices they went for.No point of resigning Lopez to play with Meyers Leonard, and why sign Afflalo
But that's the point... So why did the Knicks pick them up? They clearly don't have the other pieces to make those two useful.
By DY_nasty Go To Posti'm always puzzled how you guys shit on fish around the clock but won't look at what he has to work with
i don't envy the coach that has to decide between trying to turn a game around with lance thomas, derrick williams, koq, seraphin, and amundson
like… most coaches would see that shit and go coach alabama basketball or something
I was in here 2 days ago saying how his emphasis on discipline is a reason the knicks even stay close in games. I think his large rotations is to keep guys engaged enough they will play hard for him. However, he's not without flaws (though he is getting better over time)
He flat out sucks at drawing up timeout plays and its to the point I just assume it will lead to a TO. That is a legit critique. Though at least he's quicker to call time out to keep opponents from going on runs than he was earlier in the season. He has too many bigs to deal with, and it feeds into his reluctance to go small ball with KP, Melo, and Thomas even though that line up seems to works just as well if not better than RoLo, KP, and Melo. Also there was a point where he love/hate the bench unit even though they are decent.
By reilo Go To PostBut that's the point… So why did the Knicks pick them up? They clearly don't have the other pieces to make those two useful.
They needed talent overall and it was worth it. They are likely to have a high 30 to mid 40 season coming from a 17 win season the year before.
With some better talent hopefully they can go after a high level roleplayer in FA this year (where outside of Durant that's all there is) and another star in 2017. You got to start with a foundation of talented players.
By reilo Go To PostBut that's the point… So why did the Knicks pick them up? They clearly don't have the other pieces to make those two useful.Knicks needed a center and not much was left on the market (Lopez is as solid a guy that was left). Really it's the unexpected fact that Porzingis has been this good that people are saying Lopez isn't needed. Afflalo was a cheap (relatively) guy who could play defense, something foreign to the Knick guards last year. Funny, the last few weeks his offense has really gotten better but his defense has been poor.
All the Knicks are trying to do is get actual NBA bodies with some upside/winning experience/fit in the offense. Last year they went the D-League route, now NBA players.
I can't recall the last time a team became relevant by signing a bunch of decent roleplayers as their foundation before they landed a truly great player.
21 mill for the next 2 years is yuck.
Phil did a great job of clearing up cap year 1 and didn't do well spending it year 2
Phil did a great job of clearing up cap year 1 and didn't do well spending it year 2
By blackace Go To Postseems like Biyombo would have been the better pick up
Biyomgno... another one of DY's feted players. :3