By PSYCH! Go To PostNBA DEC 2015 | Dear Kobe, Bye FeliciaNBA DEC 2015 | One Shot Man
By pilonv1 Go To PostI don't even remember itExactly.
During locker room clean-out he just said he wasn't going to play next year.
By Red Blaster Go To Posthttp://deadspin.com/fuck-off-kobe-1745231527?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
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Classless. But it's just par for the course with you.
By Freedom = $1.05 Go To PostPeople gonna look back at these last few Kobe years as the lost years, where you were neither competitive or rebuilding, simply just being shitty to appease kobe's ego.
Unless you rebuild through free agency (which your front office was so laughably bad at it last offseason that they had to beg a free agent to take a second, pity filled empty gesture meeting with the team), good luck being the neo knicks
What does that even mean? The Lakers acquired 3 solid draft picks in two years. What does that have to do with appeasing Kobe's ego? You don't go from dominating a decade straight into dominating another decade unless your FO is amazing at finding late round draft picks and like no one, ever, has accomplished that except the Spurs.
The only people bitching about the natural process after an all time great declines and retires or attempting to pin it on him are people who just can't see objectively and recognize the obvious pattern that keeps repeating itself because of their dislike for the guy.
Lakers had 15 seasons to find two guys in the draft that could carry the franchise forward. They sorta found one in Bynum but his knees imploded. Spurs found several. And it's so damn rare (never happened in MJ's tenure, in Bird's tenure, in Magic's tenure) that it's not even something to be mad about.
when you can only make one roster move to improve a team in free fall--it had better be Ryan Hollins
I kinda hate Deadspin's writing style. They come off as smarmy hipster jerks. That's not fun to read even if you agree with them
By 3SidedPolygons Go To PostThe only people bitching about the natural process after an all time great declines and retires or attempting to pin it on him are people who just can't see objectively because of their dislike for the guy.Look, i make you the coach for an NBA team and I present you with these stats for the last four games for your aging superstar, a man that hasn't been productive in a meaningful way for nearly 3 years now:
Do you keep letting this man start or do you sit him until some godly being takes pity on him and restores some sense of basketball decency into him to allow him to maybe be productive off the bench?
Either they're appeasing Kobe by letting him start or Scott is a fucking nitwit for letting a clearly done player essentially ruin the little that remains of his coaching career by tossing airballs freely and without any regard whatsoever
If Wade tries to pull this shit with the heat I'd be one of the first to ask him to please sit his own ass down before he continues to embarrass himself out there.
By Freedom = $1.05 Go To PostLook, i make you the coach for an NBA team and I present you with these stats for the last four games for your aging superstar, a man that hasn't been productive in a meaningful way for nearly 3 years now:
Do you keep letting this man start or do you sit him until some godly being takes pity on him and restores some sense of basketball decency into him to allow him to maybe be productive off the bench?
Either they're appeasing Kobe by letting him start or Scott is a fucking nitwit for letting a clearly done player essentially ruin the little that remains of his coaching career by tossing airballs freely and without any regard whatsoever
If Wade tries to pull this shit with the heat I'd be one of the first to ask him to please sit his own ass down before he continues to embarrass himself out there.
A) Except we've got a top 3 protected draft pick and us losing is good for us long term?
B) The TV ratings when Kobe plays vs. when he doesn't play are astronomically different - TWC has to be putting pressure on ownership to make sure he plays
C) Your post doesn't matter. It doesn't matter why the Bulls sucked from the time Jordan retired until Rose was drafted. It doesn't matter why Boston wasn't winning until they were. Obsessing over 19 games or 80 games or 50 games when it's completely natural to suck with the makeup of the team is just weird.
Like, I'd get it if we had a top 5 playoff caliber roster and we were shit because Kobe was killing us by sucking. But we knew we were going to be a trash team - especially with Russell not looking like the savior. So who gives a shit whether we win 15 games or whether we win 22? Neither Russell/Clarkson/Randle play Kobe's position. So it's not even like he's stealing their minutes. That's all Lou Williams and Nick Young.
The strategy is to see how long Kobe can go about shaming himself until he humbly defers to the rooks--which could take 82 games or an injury to happen
It's probably the best way for them to handle it though. If Kobe was mature enough to handle real coaching at this point then it'd be otherwise, but the Lakers probably feel like having Kobe go down raging with the organization would do more harm than it would good. The young guys are still getting an opportunity to develop--just not as much as they would sans Kobe, and Kobe can go out knowing the organization swallowed absolutely everything in order to appease him, probably keeping their pick in the process.
It's hard to watch but the right move so far.
It's probably the best way for them to handle it though. If Kobe was mature enough to handle real coaching at this point then it'd be otherwise, but the Lakers probably feel like having Kobe go down raging with the organization would do more harm than it would good. The young guys are still getting an opportunity to develop--just not as much as they would sans Kobe, and Kobe can go out knowing the organization swallowed absolutely everything in order to appease him, probably keeping their pick in the process.
It's hard to watch but the right move so far.
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By Dark PhaZe Go To PostThe strategy is to see how long Kobe can go about shaming himself until he humbly defers to the rooks–which could take 82 games or an injury to happen
It's probably the best way for them to handle it though. If Kobe was mature enough to handle real coaching at this point then it'd be otherwise, but the Lakers probably feel like having Kobe go down raging with the organization would do more harm than it would good. The young guys are still getting an opportunity to develop–just not as much as they would sans Kobe, and Kobe can go out knowing the organization swallowed absolutely everything in order to appease him, probably keeping their pick in the process.
It's hard to watch but the right move so far.
What is this even lol. People gotta have a little bit more in depth understanding of basketball than just fga. Fuck, the stats generation, I swear.
man go find a rocking chair ain't nobody got time that
even tmac passed the ball
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostThe strategy is to see how long Kobe can go about shaming himself until he humbly defers to the rooks–which could take 82 games or an injury to happendude cant handle change. straight up
It's probably the best way for them to handle it though. If Kobe was mature enough to handle real coaching at this point then it'd be otherwise, but the Lakers probably feel like having Kobe go down raging with the organization would do more harm than it would good. The young guys are still getting an opportunity to develop–just not as much as they would sans Kobe, and Kobe can go out knowing the organization swallowed absolutely everything in order to appease him, probably keeping their pick in the process.
It's hard to watch but the right move so far.
even tmac passed the ball
By 3SidedPolygons Go To PostWhat is this even lol. People gotta have a little bit more in depth understanding of basketball than just fga. Fuck, the stats generation, I swear.
everything about his game is horrible right now every. thing.
By blackace Go To Posteverything about his game is horrible right now every. thing.
His individual shooting game is trash. But he moved to the 3 so that Clarkson/Russ can start. He spends way more time just standing in the corners and being used for spacing for Russell or Clarkson to run high PnR than ever. He should shoot a lot less, obviously. But everything else about his game has changed this season from how he's played since he became a starter.
Pick any random Laker game and watch highlights, you'll find him just standing around being used as spacing more than ever.
By DY_nasty Go To Postman go find a rocking chair ain't nobody got time thatdude cant handle change. straight up
even tmac passed the ball
Kobe's averaging 3.4 apg. On par or better than every TMac season after 2009. But facts is a bitch when you've got a faulty narrative to peddle.
By DY_nasty Go To Postkobe is trash breh
what is one positive thing he brings to that team other than filled seats
Nothing. He's horrible. But I wasn't talking about him bringing value on the court. I was talking about him handling coaching. Our offense right now is basically give it to 6 different guys and let them go at it. When it's Randle's turn or Russel's turn or Clarkson's turn or Lou Williams turn - Kobe just stands around and is used for spacing. If you can't see the difference to how he's playing this season vs. the last 20 - you're not paying attention.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9Mod14hGro
Watch that - all he's doing for 90% of the possessions is just stand around at the 3 point line and not even call for the ball. He does the same thing when Russell's got the ball and when Randle has the ball a lot of the times. Dude's never played like this ever. So he's obviously engaging in the pace and space ideas that Byron has adopted.
By 3SidedPolygons Go To PostHis individual shooting game is trash. But he moved to the 3 so that Clarkson/Russ can start. He spends way more time just standing in the corners and being used for spacing for Russell or Clarkson to run high PnR than ever. He should shoot a lot less, obviously. But everything else about his game has changed this season from how he's played since he became a starter.
Pick any random Laker game and watch highlights, you'll find him just standing around being used as spacing more than ever.
Kobe's averaging 3.4 apg. On par or better than every TMac season after 2009. But facts is a bitch when you've got a faulty narrative to peddle.
he is playing the role of Chuck Person but cant shoot... so in short, he is horrible right now.
there isn't a way to spin it... maybe he finds his set jumper some time. But until then shooting 13% is crap in the stats age or the guts age...
By blackace Go To Posthe is playing the role of Chuck Person but cant shoot… so in short, he is horrible right now.
there isn't a way to spin it… maybe he finds his set jumper some time. But until then shooting 13% is crap in the stats age or the guts age…
Again, he's trash. Especially shooting. I wouldn't mind if he retired like tomorrow. But my original comment was about being misled by FGA. He's playing a completely different game now than he's ever played. He spends - I would guess - like 50-60% of the time just spacing the floor for Russell and Clarkson and Randle to do their thing. So statements like "if he was mature enough to handle coaching" are just a little lulz.
I think they are undervaluing Hibbert a little as well. Guy clearly has a fantastic touch for the jumpshot. See if he can develop a more aggressive offensive game--that happens and you might have a gem.
KG is pretty awesome to watch this year, even if he just cheerleading for most part, but the fact he embracing the role and even excited doing it is super awesome.. one of my my main joy watching the wolves.
He earned his paycheck I'd imagine despite washed as shit when he actually playing, but he still an positive presence and super helpful for the youngster.. Kobe in other hand, I dunno if his teammate even respect him and not talk him in the back all the time lol
He earned his paycheck I'd imagine despite washed as shit when he actually playing, but he still an positive presence and super helpful for the youngster.. Kobe in other hand, I dunno if his teammate even respect him and not talk him in the back all the time lol
By fertygo Go To PostKG is pretty awesome to watch this year, even if he just cheerleading for most part, but the fact he embracing the role and even excited doing it is super awesome.. one of my my main joy watching the wolves.
He earned his paycheck I'd imagine despite washed as shit when he actually playing, but he still an positive presence and super helpful for the youngster..KobeRose in other hand, I dunno if his teammate even respect him and not talk him in the back all the time lol
Fixed that for you. I legit think it's kinda funny that every attempt at trolling Kobe by you can accurately be responded to with just a "-------- Rose."
By 3SidedPolygons Go To PostAgain, he's trash. Especially shooting. I wouldn't mind if he retired like tomorrow. But my original comment was about being misled by FGA. He's playing a completely different game now than he's ever played. He spends - I would guess - like 50-60% of the time just spacing the floor for Russell and Clarkson and Randle to do their thing. So statements like "if he was mature enough to handle coaching" are just a little lulz.
it's not spacing when you are taking the bulk of the shots. Kobe not taking a true lesser role says a lot about his mind set.
if he was there for those guys to their thing he wouldn't be leading the team in FGA. And it's NOT a misleading stat that he is chucking and not accepting the role he should be playing
By 3SidedPolygons Go To PostFixed that for you. I legit think it's kinda funny that every attempt at trolling Kobe by you can accurately be responded to with just a "——– Rose."you really can't tho
By blackace Go To Postit's not spacing when you are taking the bulk of the shots. Kobe not taking a true lesser role says a lot about his mind set.
if he was there for those guys to their thing he wouldn't be leading the team in FGA. And it's NOT a misleading stat that he is chucking and not accepting the role he should be playing
He's taking the bulk of the shots because defenses are smart enough to leave him open and congest the paint when he's spacing and give him space when he's handling the ball. He's Tony Allen from the 3 point line. That's part of the problem with playing him instead of Nick Young or Lou Williams in that role.
But when Scott says he doesn't want Kobe to shoot less or play fewer minutes, to suggest that he's not handling coaching is like "wait what?"
Kobe's changed his game completely and the only thing in the same ballpark is FGA. Everything else from an X's and O's standpoint and his role on the team is different. There's no way to get around that. He's playing within whatever the hell mess of a system they're trying to install.
You can trash Scott's coaching, and you should. And you can trash pace and space with bad shooters, and you should. But dude's following directions.
By 3SidedPolygons Go To PostHe's taking the bulk of the shots because defenses are smart enough to leave him open and congest the paint when he's spacing and give him space when he's handling the ball. He's Tony Allen from the 3 point line. That's part of the problem with playing him instead of Nick Young or Lou Williams in that role.Scott is basically not going to throw Kobe under the bus... Kobe has the green light and at the end of the day he decided to take most those shots... if he Tony Allen bad from 3 he is taking bad shots... doesn't really matter what the Xs and Os are when you are settling for low % shots
But when Scott says he doesn't want Kobe to shoot less or play fewer minutes, to suggest that he's not handling coaching is like "wait what?"
Kobe's changed his game completely and the only thing in the same ballpark is FGA. Everything else from an X's and O's standpoint and his role on the team is different. There's no way to get around that. He's playing within whatever the hell mess of a system they're trying to install.
By DY_nasty Go To PostKeep fighting the good fighthe is trash but *number of excuses + fuck stats *
No one will remember Kobe being awful in his final season. Just like no one remembers the Wizards Jordan.
But while this lasts, "NBA DEC 2015 | 'Fuck off, Kobe'" sounds pretty good to me.
But while this lasts, "NBA DEC 2015 | 'Fuck off, Kobe'" sounds pretty good to me.
By blackace Go To PostScott is basically not going to throw Kobe under the bus… Kobe has the green light and at the end of the day he decided to take most those shots… if he Tony Allen bad from 3 he is taking bad shots… doesn't really matter what the Xs and Os are when you are settling for low % shots
Yea he's taking bad shots. And yea his shooting should come down, a lot. But to blame him for following coach's directions is just weird. It's not even weird, it just screams "I'm going to find a way to criticize this guy and find something to latch onto to do it".
He changed his position, changed the way he plays, executes the offense, and shoots as many shots or plays as many minutes as his coach wants him to shoot - including missing games on the road when he was healthy enough to play because his coach asked him to.
And the conclusion is "he can't handle coaching"? The only way to reach that conclusion is to ignore EVERYTHING else and just attach yourself to FGA.
By blackace Go To Posthe is trash but *number of excuses + fuck stats *
It's not fuck stats. It's fuck "being passionately ignorant because you have a number to latch on to".
Your entire argument is "FGA is higher than everyone elses". My argument is context, coaches quotes, video evidence, breakdown of x's and o's.
I'm fine with an in-depth discussion. But I'm going to rail against dumbing down basketball because there's some number or some super simplified shit to attach yourself too.
It's like the "everyone copied D'Antoni" argument. It's BS but no one cares enough about X's and O's to engage honestly. FFS LMA left Portland and went to SA and all we heard the first month is "it's a different system, he's struggling to get adjusted". How's that the case if everyone is running the same offense? They're not, but people are too lazy to actually delve into shit.
By 3SidedPolygons Go To PostYea he's taking bad shots. And yea his shooting should come down, a lot. But to blame him for following coach's directions is just weird. It's not even weird, it just screams "I'm going to find a way to criticize this guy and find something to latch onto to do it".it's NOT FGA it's FGM that's the problem
He changed his position, changed the way he plays, executes the offense, and shoots as many shots or plays as many minutes as his coach wants him to shoot - including missing games on the road when he was healthy enough to play because his coach asked him to.
And the conclusion is "he can't handle coaching"? The only way to reach that conclusion is to ignore EVERYTHING else and just attach yourself to FGA.
if you think Scott said go out there and just chuck you got serious blinders. Scott is old school he isn't going to put him on blast in the media
By 3SidedPolygons Go To PostYea he's taking bad shots. And yea his shooting should come down, a lot. But to blame him for following coach's directions is just weird. It's not even weird, it just screams "I'm going to find a way to criticize this guy and find something to latch onto to do it".
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It's not fuck stats. It's fuck "being passionately ignorant because you have a number to latch on to".
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I'm fine with an in-depth discussion. But I'm going to rail against dumbing down basketball because there's some number or some super simplified shit to attach yourself too.(sic)
:)
Talk about dumbing it down. The irony.
Anyway, Kobe would shoot 45% if he was coached by Phil Jackson.
By blackace Go To Postit's NOT FGA it's FGM that's the problem
if you think Scott said go out there and just chuck you got serious blinders. Scott is old school he isn't going to put him on blast in the media
Wait, what? FGM is an indication of how well you're playing. That's not the question here. We both agree he sucks. Handling coaching means "are you following directions and willing to change how you play if your coach asks you to". Luke Walton always sucked, but he did whatever Phil asked of him despite being a bad basketball player. FGM is irrelevant in the discussion about handling or not handling coaching.
By 3SidedPolygons Go To PostLuke Walton always sucked, but he did whatever Phil asked of him despite being a bad basketball player.
Of course I literally just called it.
It might be a sign of the end of times whenever that dude starts thinking with examples that are not Phil Jackson.
By 3SidedPolygons Go To PostFixed that for you. I legit think it's kinda funny that every attempt at trolling Kobe by you can accurately be responded to with just a "——– Rose."This Rose flinging will only worth shit if I don't already think Rose is Kobe tier tho
Rose can be compared to Kobe? congrats for admitting Kobe is awful human being. I understand why you confused they're both is an rapist.
By 3SidedPolygons Go To PostWait, what? FGM is an indication of how well you're playing. That's not the question here. We both agree he sucks. Handling coaching means "are you following directions and willing to change how you play if your coach asks you to". Luke Walton always sucked, but he did whatever Phil asked of him despite being a bad basketball player. FGM is irrelevant in the discussion about handling or not handling coaching.if he is making those shots it's all good... having the green light means take shots you think you can make not take shots because you have the ball.
just let it be that Kobe is shitty and because just because you don't want him to be shitty doesn't mean that people don't know what they are talking about
By HasphatsAnts Go To PostNo one will remember Kobe being awful in his final season. Just like no one remembers the Wizards Jordan.actual lots of people remember Wizards MJ and from now on they will remember he was better than Kobe
But while this lasts, "NBA DEC 2015 | 'Fuck off, Kobe'" sounds pretty good to me.
By blackace Go To Postjust let it be that Kobe is shitty and because just because you don't want him to be shitty doesn't mean that people don't know what they are talking about
By 3SidedPolygons Go To PostHis individual shooting game is trash.
By 3SidedPolygons Go To PostThat's not the question here. We both agree he sucks.
By 3SidedPolygons Go To PostAgain, he's trash. Especially shooting.
By 3SidedPolygons Go To PostNothing. He's horrible.
Real question, you got blinders on or something? I'm not blaming Scott for Kobe being trash. That's all age and debilitating injuries. I'm refuting the notion that he's not following coach's directions or being coachable. He clearly is. That's not even a debate unless you want to avoid the mountain of evidence and suggest FGA is all you need to indicate that nothing's changed in his game.
naw the he is trash but... shit is weak. Really you act like you think he is bad but keep making excuses. He is chucking... if changing his game bothered him why is he so comfortable chucking the mountains of excuses explain nothing but yeah I got blinders
If Kobe came out deferring to his teammates a lot more and not jacking up shots like it's 05/06, then he wouldn't be getting all this slack. But it's clear that Kobe wanted to see if he could still drop 40 like the good ole days.