NBA | 2015-16 Pre-Season | Season Premier of Love Triangle

By pilonv1 Go To PostUsually open to everyone from the previous year for a while, then extra spots are filled.

Unless we're going with more than 14 this year

I was in the league last year. Forgot my username but I had Marc Gasol, klay, and cp3 as my core

By blackace Go To Postaiight this shit going stop…

shut up

What's wrong with you.

Can't tell you how many times I've heard "mid season form" in the preseason

Okafor already missing games. Noel is out too.

never going to be good

By KingGondo Go To PostWhat's wrong with you.

somebody always gotta test the limits

Knux I saw that Stauskas isn't playing either.

By DominicanPower Go To Postshut up

What is your deal lately? If you don't like this forum, go back to GAF and see how long you last posting like that there.

Yo Phaze, how has Oubre looked?

By AlphaSnacks Go To PostWhat is your deal lately? If you don't like this forum, go back to GAF and see how long you last posting like that there.

You obviously haven't posted in The NFL thread.

By diehard Go To Postsomebody always gotta test the limits

That's why we can't have nice things.

By DominicanPower Go To Postshut up

yeah that ain't happening.... you going to have to turn that stupid shit off if you want to continue posting here... we will see you in a min

By KingGondo Go To PostYo Phaze, how has Oubre looked?

Bad offensively, very good defensively--so as expected.

He's probably ready to defend NBA starters right away, but his offensive IQ is too terrible for those kind of minutes at the moment. He couldn't have it easier in terms of development at this level though. Playing alongside Neal, Sessions, and Nene on a backup unit--all he has to do is just defend hard and spot up when the ball comes to him. His flowchart is am I open? Yes shoot, no pass. Downside is all those dudes have tunnel vision, so through twenty minutes in a pre-season game he might literally get one or two open looks at the most. Sessions is weird in that he penetrates well but doesn't know how to pass the ball once he's in the paint. So Kelly gets irritated after being on the court that long without a look and forces horrific shots in order to get his--and shocker, they don't go in.

Whether he actually gets minutes this year depends on how the rotation shakes out. He might be in the D-League if Witt tries to cater to all the vets.

One year away: Oklahoma City's final chance to keep Kevin Durant

In the past five seasons, Oklahoma City has won 266 games, second only to the gold standard set by the Spurs. Durant has won an MVP award, an All-Star Game MVP and four scoring titles. Westbrook has won a scoring title and an All-Star Game MVP. But they are still chasing their first NBA title. With Durant hitting unrestricted free agency next summer amid whispers of discord between them, this season might be their last chance to grab it.

NBA history is filled with great teams with rotten luck. Ask Mike D'Antoni and Steve Nash about 2005 and Joe Johnson's broken face. Sacramento fans still can't believe Vlade Divac tipped the ball right to Robert Horry in 2002. But OKC's string of bad fortune – and the promise wasted – is almost unprecedented.

More: http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13840629/kevin-durant-decision-forever-change-oklahoma-city

No, Sacramento fans still believe the fix was in. It's only corps with NBA contracts that focus on the Horry shot.

Vegas has the Kings at only 30 wins? Man id take the over on that if i was a gambler.. like how do you go under 30 wins with that much talent?

By diehard Go To PostVegas has the Kings at only 30 wins? Man id take the over on that if i was a gambler.. like how do you go under 30 wins with that much talent?

How much talent do they really have? Boogie (whose coach hates him and might force him to be traded mid-season), Gay and Collison. I refuse to count Rondo, who is a garbage basketball player and locker room cancer until he proves otherwise.

By diehard Go To PostVegas has the Kings at only 30 wins? Man id take the over on that if i was a gambler.. like how do you go under 30 wins with that much talent?

Didn't they win 30 games last year with practically the same roster? Plus, George versus Demarcus is a huge question mark right now.

Koufos and Bellinelli are good players. +1 year for Mclemore should be good too. I expect Karl to not be Ty Corbin.

I mean... They'll probably break 30 but it won't be by a ton. I certainly wouldn't want any significant amount of money riding on it.

Sacramento is a black hole and has been for a while now. The shine has almost completely worn off Ranadive.

wtf same roster?

Koufos, Bellini, Rondo, WCS, and (yes old as hell) Butler.

The team had no bench last year. Their starting five rated very high, but their bench was terrible. They had almost 30 wins last year after the coach disaster, injuries and chaos. This year they're nine deep. They were above .500 before Cousins freak illness and the Malone firing. They are far more talented this year.

They got boosted up to 35 wins today in Vegas. They were 30 wins and betting the over on that was easy money.

Rondo is a net negative today.

He couldn't flourish under someone like Carlisle playing next to an amazing teammate in Dirk.

I'm going to lament not betting on Rousey and Floyd in every single fight they've ever had. Seriously the easiest money in all of America.


Well, that and Lebron losing in the finals

Their starting five rated very high,

Any idea on how they rated for the entire season?

I think you posted some stuff but it was only through January or February.

He's been good so far in pre-season. I don't doubt his lack of shooting hurts, but his defensive play and distributing has been good so far. The Rondo/Cousins pick n roll has worked nicely. He seems to have a bit more control and option in Karl's system, which may be why it's working. He's willingly driving despite his awful FT shooting.

Mostly, the team needs to settle on a rotation and guys getting familiar with each other. When they look comfortable, the offense moves better than it has in years.

You sound like a Raptors fan talking up Bargnani.

By PSYCH! Go To PostAny idea on how they rated for the entire season?

I think you posted some stuff but it was only through January or February.

Not sure if anyone ever did a season end look at the stats, but here's their 5 man units form 82games

Kings: http://www.82games.com/1415/1415SAC2.HTM

for comparison sake

Clippers: http://www.82games.com/1415/1415LAC2.HTM
Warriors: http://www.82games.com/1415/1415GSW2.HTM

And +/- for 5 man units averaging more than 10 mins per game

http://stats.nba.com/league/lineups/#!/?CF=MIN*GE*10&Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=PLUS_MINUS&dir=1

The staring five was very solid defensively and won their time on court. You lose Thompson and replace him with WCS or Koufos, and swap Collison for Rondo.

Rondo legit cannot afford to fuck around this year. He may be out of the league if he flames out again.

All I see is that your best 5-man unit is worse than the Clippers and Warriors by a good margin and played 1/3 of the minutes together as the Clippers?

Also, Portland's best 5 was right about the same as the Kings yet still won 51 games on a similar sample size. Portland also had a giant trashbag of a bench last season.

ESPN delays Kevin Johnson '30 for 30' documentary in light of allegations

“We are re-evaluating the content presentation of it and delaying the premiere,” said John Dahl, the vice president and executive producer of ESPN Films and Original Content. “When [director] Jason Hehir and we collectively agree that the film is ready and we are comfortable with it, then we will pick that air date. I think the most important thing here is to make sure it’s clear that we are not tone deaf and we’re aware of a renewed focus on certain issues."

http://www.si.com/nba/2015/10/12/espn-delay-kevin-johnson-sacramento-kings-documentary

Good, fuck Kevin Johnson.

I can say right now that a trio of Rondo/WCS/Cousins as starters would be an absolute disaster for spacing.

If its Rondo/Ben/Marco/Rudy/Cousins, then I could see Rondo running that unit reasonably well, though I'd have defensive concerns.

I'm not even about to predict wins for anyone at this point. I think the ceiling is going to be lowered on wins overall--I don't see anyone winning more than 62 games period, and I can also see the worst team in the league approaching historically low loss counts.

I don't really see your point reilo. The Kings starting unit was still one of best in the league, especially on defense. Their bench was one of the worst in the league. They fell apart when Cousins sat. With Koufos, Marco and Collison, the team can actually score and defend when Cousins is resting.

Basically, their starting unit won their time on court and the bench constantly destroyed their chances to win. The Kings now have a much better bench unit. They should improve.

By reilo Go To PostESPN delays Kevin Johnson '30 for 30' documentary in light of allegations
http://www.si.com/nba/2015/10/12/espn-delay-kevin-johnson-sacramento-kings-documentary

Good, fuck Kevin Johnson.

This fucks Sacramento fans more than KJ. I understand the KJ issues, but its not a KJ biopic. It's about the city working to keep the team.

There's still a local premier in Sacto tonight.

My point is that if it was really that good already, they would have won more than 30 games off of their starting unit alone last season... but they didn't. The bench being shit is no excuse.

They were winning before Cousins got sick, Malone was fired because of FO fuckery, and then Collison got hurt for the rest of the season. There's a reason their starting 5 has far less minutes than Clippers/GS.

Or the fact that I can look at 2013-14 and see a similar squad without the injury concerns and that squad only won 28 games and had Malone as their coach:


In fact, the 2013-14 squad had a better SRS and slightly better defense but worse offense. I'd argue Isaiah Thomas was better than Collison for the Kings as well. That's two seasons straight where they had a solid starting 5 on paper that didn't win anything. If your starting five was that good, they would have won more than 28 games in 2013-14 as well.

By reilo Go To PostESPN delays Kevin Johnson '30 for 30' documentary in light of allegations
http://www.si.com/nba/2015/10/12/espn-delay-kevin-johnson-sacramento-kings-documentary

Good, fuck Kevin Johnson.

Good news.

That dude is a piece of shit.

Collison is better for the Kings than IT was. Collison provided some things that IT2 did not. Namely, their perimeter defense improved.

I don't know what you're on reilo. The team was succeeding and their starting unit was strong. Your argument is "then why did they lose?" as if nothing else happened.

btw, here's that year's 82games starting 5 units for Kings

http://www.82games.com/1314/1314SAC2.HTM

Noticeably weaker than last year's starting five.

No, my argument is "why didn't they win the year before with a similar starting unit and a better coach and no injury history"?

Your two best units in 2013-14: 26-20. Your two best units in 2014-15: 24-17

wait we're comparing 2013 with IT to last year with Collison

So one starting five is +141 with .94 defense rating and 1.11 offense

and

the other with IT instead is -37 with 1.11 defense and 1.06 offense

And you think that's roughly the same?

You won today's clownshoes reilo.

Are we ignoring the +58 unit with Thornton instead of rookie McLemore? Even then, look at the win% for the first unit: .510 team. We are talking about -0.71PPG differential here.

I think they'd have been a good team with Malone.

Oh well. They fucked that one up.

By DY_nasty Go To PostI think they'd have been a good team with Malone.

Oh well. They fucked that one up.

I think they'd have been very good under malone. Probably make the play offs last year.

lets not get crazy, they were 17 wins out of the playoffs.

Yeah idk that

I am excited for a Stockton Curry backcourt in Sacto

By diehard Go To Postlets not get crazy, they were 17 wins out of the playoffs.

The season was only really de-railed because of the malone firing / cousins illness. if that hadn't happened i think they kept their shit together. Minus the coaching distractions plus how good malone appears to be, you could add 10wins to the total. That only puts them 5 games out of the tie for 8th.

Remember the suns passing on the season, injured OKC, old mavs, the pelicans made it in even.

It's still extrapolating a lot over a small sample size.

By diehard Go To PostIt's still extrapolating a lot over a small sample size.

For sure. But wild speculation is fun.