The issue isn't that you don't trust internet blogs that reference shady internet forums, it's the classification as "ideologically bent" as though feminism is some wild extreme on the political spectrum.
By Fenderputty Go To PostThe issue isn't that you don't trust internet blogs that reference shady internet forums, it's the classification as "ideologically bent" as though feminism is some wild extreme on the political spectrum.This.
WHTM does great work, and he almost exclusively pokes at the most noxious forms of misogyny, like PUAs, Return of Kings, GamerGate, etc.
Jeb and Trump on the shooting: "Meh, shit happens."
As an anti-gun person, I think this is a scarier response than "we need more guns!" because it may suggest that gun people don't even think they need to defend guns anymore because America is so pro-gun.
As an anti-gun person, I think this is a scarier response than "we need more guns!" because it may suggest that gun people don't even think they need to defend guns anymore because America is so pro-gun.
By IWMTB19 Go To PostJeb and Trump on the shooting: "Meh, shit happens."Some view these shootings as the price of necessary freedoms, like highway traffic deaths are an unfortunate side effect of cars.
As an anti-gun person, I think this is a scarier response than "we need more guns!" because it may suggest that gun people don't even think they need to defend guns anymore because America is so pro-gun.
It's a fact of daily American life that at any given moment, a deranged man could burst into your place of work, school, movie theatre, church, or shopping mall and try to kill as many people as possible. It doesn't have to be this way.
I always come back to this article after each mass shooting.
Shit does happen though. Don't get me wrong as I"m for some harsher regulations and I think we could better statistics surround firearms by doing so, but how many people die a day in America? Over 6k people die every day in America. 130K every year from from just accidental death. All sorts of death stats are on the CDC webpage
I had no idea unintentional poisoning was so crazy. Like seriously what the fuck are people doing?
The people he's pandering too rationalize gun use this way. He's defending gun ownership the way most people would. Most people see these shootings and think they're isolated rare incident, because they are. They just get a ton of media hype because of the shock and awe value.
It's not like regulation is really going to reduce the mass shooting either. Maybe licence renewal could, but a ton of these people could have gotten a weapon legally regardless at some point in time. Regulation is going to help reduce accidental gun deaths and other things like that though. Which is still a good reason to do something.
Unintentional fall deaths
Number of deaths: 30,208
Deaths per 100,000 population: 9.6
Unintentional poisoning deaths
Number of deaths: 38,851
Deaths per 100,000 population: 12.3
Motor vehicle traffic deaths
Number of deaths: 33,804
Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.7
I had no idea unintentional poisoning was so crazy. Like seriously what the fuck are people doing?
Firearm homicides
Number of deaths: 11,208
Deaths per 100,000 population: 3.5
All firearm deaths
Number of deaths: 33,636
Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.6
The people he's pandering too rationalize gun use this way. He's defending gun ownership the way most people would. Most people see these shootings and think they're isolated rare incident, because they are. They just get a ton of media hype because of the shock and awe value.
It's not like regulation is really going to reduce the mass shooting either. Maybe licence renewal could, but a ton of these people could have gotten a weapon legally regardless at some point in time. Regulation is going to help reduce accidental gun deaths and other things like that though. Which is still a good reason to do something.
By IWMTB19 Go To PostJeb and Trump on the shooting: "Meh, shit happens."And Jeb is the smart one.
As an anti-gun person, I think this is a scarier response than "we need more guns!" because it may suggest that gun people don't even think they need to defend guns anymore because America is so pro-gun.
By KingGondo Go To PostSome view these shootings as the price of necessary freedoms, like highway traffic deaths are an unfortunate side effect of cars.Cars are one of the most regulated industries exactly because of deaths.
The problem isn't that liberal ideas are all amazing and conservatives won't agree to them. It's that conservatives, purely for ideological purity, are unwilling to be a constructive part of the process of finding solutions.
There was an exchange between Mark Halperin and a National Review talking head on MJ this morning exactly illustrating this point. We get it, solutions are hard, and govt action isn't perfect, and we don't have full proof solutions beyond the total abolition of guns, but those change from being legitimate concerns to full fledged hollow excuses when you've already pre-determined to block any legislation on ideological grounds.
There was an exchange between Mark Halperin and a National Review talking head on MJ this morning exactly illustrating this point. We get it, solutions are hard, and govt action isn't perfect, and we don't have full proof solutions beyond the total abolition of guns, but those change from being legitimate concerns to full fledged hollow excuses when you've already pre-determined to block any legislation on ideological grounds.
By reilo Go To PostCars are one of the most regulated industries exactly because of deaths.
And deaths surround cars fell as a result. I really think having to renew a firearm licence like a car is a very obvious thing that should happen.
By reilo Go To PostCars are one of the most regulated industries exactly because of deaths.I'm with you.
By Vahagn Go To PostThe problem isn't that liberal ideas are all amazing and conservatives won't agree to them. It's that conservatives, purely for ideological purity, are unwilling to be a constructive part of the process of finding solutions.Tone down the us vs them rhetoric.
By giririsss Go To PostTone down the us vs them rhetoric.
Normally this post would almost have me on the floor rolling and laughing considering the political climate and how obstructionist the right has become, but this might be the one issue where it doesn't. This issues spans both parties. Nearly my whole family are democrats and nearly all own guns.
Now if you want to talk pure politics here, he's absolutely correct. The right wing party has zero interest in finding solutions. Zero.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Gun_Control.htm
Yeah I can't really call that us vs them rhetoric given that all the GOP does in congress is be obstructionist and have hearings about falsified footage. Oh and threaten a shut down over the bullshit footage that would defund health care for women. There is no "both sides" and that's part of the larger problem with the American political narrative.
By db Go To PostYeah I can't really call that us vs them rhetoric given that all the GOP does in congress is be obstructionist and have hearings about falsified footage.
Incredibly ironic after the "safe enough place for opinions" crap.
By Fenderputty Go To PostNow if you want to talk pure politics here, he's absolutely correct. The right wing party has zero interest in finding solutions. Zero.No. I don't.
I mean you can't really have an honest discussion about American politics without dragging the current American right, because it's so far right it's incredibly disgusting and dangerous to a wide swath of our own citizenry.
By Fenderputty Go To PostIncredibly ironic after the "safe enough place for opinions" crap.
I'm pretty sure giri likes to think of himself as a conservative, just not the american kind, so such comments are not too comfortable for him. I might be wrong, don't mean to talk too much in his stead...
But anyway, if opinions are free, we should be free to criticize political opinions...
By giririsss Go To PostNo. I don't.
Ok now I really am laughing.
By Gabyskra Go To PostI'm pretty sure giri likes to think of himself as a conservative, just not the american kind, so such comments are not too comfortable for him. I might be wrong, don't mean to talk too much in his stead…
But anyway, if opinions are free, we should be free to criticize political opinions…
So it's a safe place for "opinions", unless Giri is active and we're talking factually about the political right.
I'm sorry I refuse to have anything but disdain for a party/political side that essentially thinks certain groups of people are inferior and want to enact legislation and defund things in order to solidify this ideology.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/17/assault-weapons-ban_n_3103120.html
That vote looks pretty damn lock step in line with what Vahagn suggested.
That vote looks pretty damn lock step in line with what Vahagn suggested.
Well let's be honest the Republican party essentially cannibalized itself and it's a bunch of Tea Party/Christian Right extremists run amok.
By db Go To PostWell let's be honest the Republican party essentially cannibalized itself and it's a bunch of Tea Party/Christian Right extremists run amok.
That doesn't take away from what Vahagn said though. The political right has no interest in solutions. Unless you think making gun ownership easier and sucking the NRA off are solutions.
Of course they don't have interests in solutions. Their whole damn ideology is either status quo or regression.
I think the point is to not paint a large swath of people with the same brush. If you want to say "the conservatives reaction in congress to these tragedies is awful" then go ahead. But to proclaim an entire group as evil based on their political leaning is a bit much.
Not evil but how else are certain minorities supposed to feel about a party that wants to essentially backhand them back to the 50s? Regardless of how someone feels about rights they are electing people who want to stifle them for certain groups of people. People need to own what they're doing to other people by voting these assholes in and stop the charade.
By reilo Go To PostI think the point is to not paint a large swath of people with the same brush. If you want to say "the conservatives reaction in congress to these tragedies is awful" then go ahead. But to proclaim an entire group as evil based on their political leaning is a bit much.
Thankfully this
It's that conservatives, purely for ideological purity, are unwilling to be a constructive part of the process of finding solutions.
doesn't proclaim an entire group is evil. It's also pretty accurate as I've pointed out. I even have pretty links.
By Fenderputty Go To Postdoesn't proclaim an entire group is evil. It's also pretty accurate as I've pointed out. I even have pretty links.That statement would fall within my former example of debate rather than the latter, so, yes, we are in agreement.
Well how does one talk about an ideology that is all about us vs them without sounding us vs them would be my question.
By Fenderputty Go To PostSo it's a safe place for "opinions", unless Giri is active and we're talking factually about the political right.on the back of
By Vahagn Go To PostAs every year passes I see conservatives as a morally degenerate evil that have to be stopped at all costs except for violence. And to stop myself from becoming more and more jaded, I just become numb to this kind of shit.
I don't want this, to turn into,
By reilo Go To PostI think the point is to not paint a large swath of people with the same brush. If you want to say "the conservatives reaction in congress to these tragedies is awful" then go ahead. But to proclaim an entire group as evil based on their political leaning is a bit much.
Which is why i asked him to tone it down.
And Vahagn is allowed to have that opinion, but he, and anyone else, has to find ways to express it much better.
By Gabyskra Go To PostI'm pretty sure giri likes to think of himself as a conservative, just not the american kind, so such comments are not too comfortable for him. I might be wrong, don't mean to talk too much in his stead….
Not really. I'm not sure where I'd stand in "american political jingo", but I'm very socially liberal.
And i am certainly no fan of the American Republicans. But it's what reilo said.
If you must know I'd be voting for Bernie Sanders if I were an American.
Yea, I understand objectively that it's a really harsh position to hold. But it was on the heels of debating an ultra right wing marine who was advocating with absolute seriousness that we exterminate all the Muslims in the world to bring about world peace. And admittedly I know I'm being jaded, but it's hard finding decent conservatives out here. I'm sure they exist, but most of the time they're arguing for their justifications for rounding up 11 million people and forcibly deporting them, or killing unarmed black kids, or terrorizing a low income, pro choice health resource, etc.
I desperately want to hear conservative solutions to problems, but we never get to that point. We're still debating shit like whether or not mysoginist groups should be valued and respected in our discourse.
But I don't think the post in question where I referenced Mark Halperin was us vs them at all (he himself is a conservative)
I desperately want to hear conservative solutions to problems, but we never get to that point. We're still debating shit like whether or not mysoginist groups should be valued and respected in our discourse.
But I don't think the post in question where I referenced Mark Halperin was us vs them at all (he himself is a conservative)
Maybe quote the post that's actually the offensive quote next time? Even then, that's pretty weak shit, but whatever.
Calling republicans evil is a pretty fitting way to absolve centrist democrats such as Clinton of all criticism, even when their policies are also often favorable to the wealthy, and warhawkish.
Not if you got enough disdain to go around for when the dems have similar economic policies or compromise, like on women's health care under the ACA. In fact fuck the ACA too, that's a load of hot garbage compared to what we should have.
By db Go To PostNot if you got enough disdain to go around for when the dems have similar economic policies or compromise, like on women's health care under the ACA. In fact fuck the ACA too, that's a load of hot garbage compared to what we should have.
*insert Robin Lopez clapping*
Army dude was a fucking G
Charging an armed gunman is not something I ever see myself doing. Crazy shit.
Charging an armed gunman is not something I ever see myself doing. Crazy shit.
Link?
Went to news, already talking about frustrated about no girlfriend, writings rambling about blacks. Sigh.
Went to news, already talking about frustrated about no girlfriend, writings rambling about blacks. Sigh.
The discussion is mixing up different subjects. This was not about the train shooting of last summer.
I thought Dy might have been referencing this:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/02/us/oregon-school-shooting-hero/index.html
I got you Dy...
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/02/us/oregon-school-shooting-hero/index.html
I got you Dy...
By Gabyskra Go To PostCalling republicans evil is a pretty fitting way to absolve centrist democrats such as Clinton of all criticism, even when their policies are also often favorable to the wealthy, and warhawkish.
Shades of gray. However, centrist democrats don't try and kick millions off their own conservative health care plan because a black man implemented it, they don't try and actively stop equal pay for women, they don't actively try and fuck poor blacks and other POC out of their voting rites, they don't pretend the solution to gun violence is more guns, they're not trying to continue the screwing over of homosexuals via "religious freedoms" and they're not advocating building a wall between us and both Mexico and Canada. This doesn't even touch their fucked economic policies.
By db Go To PostI thought Dy might have been referencing this:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/02/us/oregon-school-shooting-hero/index.html
I got you Dy…
Wow
By Fenderputty Go To PostMaybe quote the post that's actually the offensive quote next time? Even then, that's pretty weak shit, but whatever.I did.
Maybe don't go full blow reactionary witch hunt assumption mode if you haven't read the whole thread or don't know the full story.
By giririsss Go To PostI did.
Maybe don't go full blow reactionary witch hunt assumption mode if you haven't read the whole thread or don't know the full story.
No you didn't. The post you quoted was damn accurate. Nor did I go witch hunt. The post you finally quoted did explaine your position better, but was also pretty weak shit. And like I said, after your comments last night regarding casual bigotry, self moderation and safe places, it makes your dick swinging here all that much more hilarious.