etio wtf lol
the comments are there, pics straight from the thread. identical to numerous other sites that picked up on the same thing
the comments are there, pics straight from the thread. identical to numerous other sites that picked up on the same thing
I can't speak for the man but Obama seems genuinely jaded and angry about this particular issue. If he's pushing a political agenda then it's one that I fully support. He's not scoring brownie points with me he's just speaking logically, frustrated with the same god damned discourse that happens after every one of these events. Even if you believe he's purely a politician running another campaign it doesn't really matter. This violence is fucking embarrassing. I'm ashamed of my country.
I don't understand what is hard for y'all to understand. I questioned the validity of 4chan being taken seriously. I linked to the NYT article and said it linked the pictures, too. I stated that NYT is a more reliable site than a blog. I also stated that I still have the same questions and reservations about reporting an unproven link, especially when it involves Chan boards. It could be truly the shooter or not. Understanding the net, I wouldn't report it as so yet.
By etiolation Go To PostI don't understand what is hard for y'all to understand. I questioned the validity of 4chan being taken seriously. I linked to the NYT article and said it linked the pictures, too. I stated that NYT is a more reliable site than a blog. I also stated that I still have the same questions and reservations about reporting an unproven link, especially when it involves Chan boards. It could be truly the shooter or not. Understanding the net, I wouldn't report it as so yet.k
By butt Go To PostI can't speak for the man but Obama seems genuinely jaded and angry about this particular issue. If he's pushing a political agenda then it's one that I fully support. He's not scoring brownie points with me he's just speaking logically, frustrated with the same god damned discourse that happens after every one of these events. Even if you believe he's purely a politician running another campaign it doesn't really matter. This violence is fucking embarrassing. I'm ashamed of my country.couldn't agree more
we spend trillions on chasing dudes that have never seen an ocean into the mountains but when it comes to even acquiring data on why this is happening, shit gets blocked in congress
shooting in florida today, 3 dead(including shooter)
http://www.fox13news.com/news/local-news/27686663-story?updates
http://www.fox13news.com/news/local-news/27686663-story?updates
By etiolation Go To PostWhen you link a blog called wehuntedthemammoth, that states it tracks and mocks the new misogyny, then the onus is on you to prove I should take it seriously. Heavily bent Idealogical and borderline doctrinaire personal blogs are not to be taken as reliable by default. If I am giving a PSA on this then good.lmao
By etiolation Go To PostWhen you link a blog called wehuntedthemammoth, that states it tracks and mocks the new misogyny, then the onus is on you to prove I should take it seriously. Heavily bent Idealogical and borderline doctrinaire personal blogs are not to be taken as reliable by default. If I am giving a PSA on this then good.I have read the blog for a long time, and the stuff it presents appears fair to my (apparently naive) eyes.
You claimed it's unreliable. You should be able to provide a single instance of this.
Sad thing is amendments (including even the second) have some limitations due to the ever changing nature of a modern society. However we hit a road block with some common sense limitations on the second since the NRA gained so much lobbying power.
By db Go To PostSad thing is amendments (including even the second) have some limitations due to the ever changing nature of a modern society. However we hit a road block with some common sense limitations on the second since the NRA gained so much lobbying power.The sad thing is i don't think things will change. I hope they do, i really do.
The president shouldn't have a script that they use regularly for these things. Thats just sad on a society level.
You would need to destroy the idea that mass gun shooting are a thing that just happens in America. This would involve gun control, greater mental health awareness and availability, and many other changes that don't neatly fall into those two categories. We have to come to terms with the reality that America, for whatever reason, has long been stuck in a frightened and violent mentality.
I would take guns out of neighborhoods and private residences. I have family that own guns, have never used them and don't keep them in a safe. I have extended family that have guns and keep them in safes. I have extended family that like to hunt. So I know at least a few people who own guns and I am not scared of them ever going off and killing people. I don't see gun owners as nuts by default.
However, I still struggle to rationalize keeping the guns in homes and neighborhoods with population density. The idea is you use it to defend yourself, which is just another way of saying you plan to shoot someone if the situation arises.
I can never get around the reality that a gun is a killing tool and see it as anything other than that.
If there was some gun ownership law that kept guns at shooting ranges and hunting grounds, where they serve a purpose other than killing other citizens, then I would be down with that despite my great personal dislike of guns. I would allow guns at shooting ranges, gun clubs, hunting grounds, and very low population density/wilderness areas. I would get guns away from opportunities to be pointed at the public.
I realize that violent crime is down. I still feel you have to get America away from being a violent nation.
I would take guns out of neighborhoods and private residences. I have family that own guns, have never used them and don't keep them in a safe. I have extended family that have guns and keep them in safes. I have extended family that like to hunt. So I know at least a few people who own guns and I am not scared of them ever going off and killing people. I don't see gun owners as nuts by default.
However, I still struggle to rationalize keeping the guns in homes and neighborhoods with population density. The idea is you use it to defend yourself, which is just another way of saying you plan to shoot someone if the situation arises.
I can never get around the reality that a gun is a killing tool and see it as anything other than that.
If there was some gun ownership law that kept guns at shooting ranges and hunting grounds, where they serve a purpose other than killing other citizens, then I would be down with that despite my great personal dislike of guns. I would allow guns at shooting ranges, gun clubs, hunting grounds, and very low population density/wilderness areas. I would get guns away from opportunities to be pointed at the public.
I realize that violent crime is down. I still feel you have to get America away from being a violent nation.
By etiolation Go To Postetio big response here
Bernie Sanders pointed this out when it was raised with him. There are two different situations and people confuse the gun debate with in cities with the one in rural circumstances. Owning a gun on a farm, particularly one with live stock, is just a natural thing done as part of every day life.
And then there's the urban setting where you don't really need to own an AK47 if for 5 miles in either direction is just suburbia
I'm numb to this now. It's hard not to be. After watching the momentum for sensible gun reform fizzle after Newtown i just let go.
As every year passes I see conservatives as a morally degenerate evil that have to be stopped at all costs except for violence. And to stop myself from becoming more and more jaded, I just become numb to this kind of shit.
I do think that basic, fundamental human decency is an exception in the American conservative world though and being an all around shitty excuse for a human being is the norm.
As every year passes I see conservatives as a morally degenerate evil that have to be stopped at all costs except for violence. And to stop myself from becoming more and more jaded, I just become numb to this kind of shit.
I do think that basic, fundamental human decency is an exception in the American conservative world though and being an all around shitty excuse for a human being is the norm.
What's freaky as shit is my girlfriend called me yesterday to tell me about some website she found which was a hotbed for white supremacist mysoginist 4 Chan types. And I specifically told her about 4 Chan. I think the thing I said was "it's a hot bed of racist sexist bigoted pieces of shit and a community that breeds mass murderers"
This was last night.
This was last night.
That one place on the internet allegedly had someone allude to this happening. It's surreal that all of these shootings happen and Republican politicians continue to block common sense safety measures. Quite frankly I'm terrified of dying in a mass shooting. There were two out here this year. One happened at a fast food restaurant and another happened at a courthouse with armed police officers. I'm numb to all of this.
The scary thing is a lot of gun owners and even NRA members support regulations. NRA leaders and politicians though? Pffft.
By db Go To PostThe scary thing is a lot of gun owners and even NRA members support regulations. NRA leaders and politicians though? Pffft.The NRA only cares about the gun manufacturers and the fringe element among their membership.
Moderate gun owners need to make themselves heard. If they disagree with the NRA they need to quit en masse.
I genuinely don't believe that Gun Laws will change anytime soon. If Sandy Hook couldn't convince politicians that something needed to be done, then it must take a lot more.
Donestic Terrorism is well on it's way to being a part of American 'Culture' just like institutionalized racism and that's pretty sad
Donestic Terrorism is well on it's way to being a part of American 'Culture' just like institutionalized racism and that's pretty sad
Also, I see etio hasn't managed to dig up any examples of WHTM being "unreliable."
I'll give him some time. I assume it's taking so long because there are so many examples to choose from.
I'll give him some time. I assume it's taking so long because there are so many examples to choose from.
And this is 45th school shooting in this year only?! Damn when the schools are starting to be war zones then you know it's gone way way too far :(
Last holiday season, someone was shot and killed next to my place in DC, in my street. A tragedy of course, but neighbors and American friends didn't blink an eye about the news. I didn't really either, I got used to the culture. When I would mention it to my family and friends back in France where I'm from, everyone was so shocked. When friends visited me, they would avoid some streets on purpose. Sure, we have dangerous places in Europe too, but not like that. What Obama says about it being an exceptional characteristic of the US is absolutely true.
This Onion article is on point:
http://www.theonion.com/article/no-way-prevent-says-only-nation-where-regularly-ha-51444?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=LinkPreview:1:Default
This Onion article is on point:
http://www.theonion.com/article/no-way-prevent-says-only-nation-where-regularly-ha-51444?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=LinkPreview:1:Default
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Most gun owners are not NRA members. This will be politicized by the nutters and they'll rush out to buy more guns and ammo before Obama takes them.
I'm an owner and for regulation, more stringent testing, license renewal like a car, no gun show loopholes, banning of private sales, limiting clip size and things like that.
4.5 million NRA members out of 300 million gun owners
By db Go To PostThe scary thing is a lot of gun owners and even NRA members support regulations. NRA leaders and politicians though? Pffft.
Most gun owners are not NRA members. This will be politicized by the nutters and they'll rush out to buy more guns and ammo before Obama takes them.
I'm an owner and for regulation, more stringent testing, license renewal like a car, no gun show loopholes, banning of private sales, limiting clip size and things like that.
4.5 million NRA members out of 300 million gun owners
By Fenderputty Go To PostMSurely that can't be right. I know that there are around that many guns but the number of gun owns is much lower.
4.5 million NRA members out of 300 million gun owners
32% to 38% say they have a gun or live in a household with a gun.
Lots of NRA members arent even really NRA members... i know my dad is one but only because it "came with" a magazine subscription.
I'm for regulation but not for regulation that has shown to have no effect (Assault weapons ban).
Lots of NRA members arent even really NRA members... i know my dad is one but only because it "came with" a magazine subscription.
I'm for regulation but not for regulation that has shown to have no effect (Assault weapons ban).
By KingGondo Go To PostSurely that can't be right. I know that there are around that many guns but the number of gun owns is much lower.
You're correct. 300 million Americans and 1/3 are owners
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/one-three-americans-own-guns-culture-factor-study-finds-n384031
I misremembered ... But that's still 100 million
By diehard Go To PostLots of NRA members arent even really NRA members… i know my dad is one but only because it "came with" a magazine subscription.Yeah, but he's still supporting the organization.
By KingGondo Go To PostAlso, I see etio hasn't managed to dig up any examples of WHTM being "unreliable."
I'll give him some time. I assume it's taking so long because there are so many examples to choose from.
I already explained Gondo. Take the advice or end up feeling like an ass later in life. Your choice.
There is no such thing as a source without a bias. Think critically, always. The truth is not always in the middle.
By etiolation Go To PostI already explained Gondo. Take the advice or end up feeling like an ass later in life. Your choice.Lol. You didn't explain shit.
It tracks and mocks misogynist assholes (MRAs, PUAs, MGTOWs, etc.) across the internet and elsewhere.
Exactly why should that disqualify it as a valid source of information?
By KingGondo Go To PostLol. You didn't explain shit.
It tracks and mocks misogynist assholes (MRAs, PUAs, MGTOWs, etc.) across the internet and elsewhere.
Exactly why should that disqualify it as a valid source of information?
The way i read etio is that he meant there is no such thing as sexism today. Which is crazy tbh.
By etiolation Go To Postwtf gabyJesus man. We're giving you an opportunity to defend yourself here and you're just handwaving away any direct questions.
By etiolation Go To Postwtf gaby
That's how I read you there: "When you link a blog called wehuntedthemammoth, that states it tracks and mocks the new misogyny, then the onus is on you to prove I should take it seriously. Heavily bent Idealogical and borderline doctrinaire personal blogs are not to be taken as reliable by default."
What's the problem with an opinionated feminist blog? That they clown misogyny today? That's how you prove it's not reliable?
So if that's not what you meant, cool, I'm glad.
I read the blog post in its entirety. Lots of 4chan posts by immature frustrated sexist pigs ("incels"). Quite incredible. Whether or not that's the killer's motives, it most certainly is the ideological framework lots of anonymous people think within.
It's called critical consumption of media and critical thinking. If your college education is not teaching you these things then you're getting ripped off.
The mistake you are making is thinking its that particular blog that I find unreliable. No, it's that its a personal blog, with a bias, and a want to reinforce that bias, citing 4chan.
For example, some internet guy Toby Reynolds got unwanted attention from this shooting. 4chan suggested the shooter was him. Some free market bent and conservative bent sites rolled with this and reported such.
https://archive.is/RsiOZ
http://libertynews.com/2015/10/breaking-is-this-the-oregon-shooter-4chan-forum-says-his-name-is-toby-reynolds/
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=toby%20reynolds%20shooter
And then CNN reported this murmur as well. The dude gets harassed.
It's all a troll. It should never have gotten that far. You don't trust 4chan. You don't trust these idealogical sites. People should have been suspect from the start, but there is a rush to find the evil little channer. You critically consume media or you end up looking like an ass.
The mistake you are making is thinking its that particular blog that I find unreliable. No, it's that its a personal blog, with a bias, and a want to reinforce that bias, citing 4chan.
For example, some internet guy Toby Reynolds got unwanted attention from this shooting. 4chan suggested the shooter was him. Some free market bent and conservative bent sites rolled with this and reported such.
https://archive.is/RsiOZ
http://libertynews.com/2015/10/breaking-is-this-the-oregon-shooter-4chan-forum-says-his-name-is-toby-reynolds/
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=toby%20reynolds%20shooter
And then CNN reported this murmur as well. The dude gets harassed.
It's all a troll. It should never have gotten that far. You don't trust 4chan. You don't trust these idealogical sites. People should have been suspect from the start, but there is a rush to find the evil little channer. You critically consume media or you end up looking like an ass.
By etiolation Go To PostIt's called critical consumption of media and critical thinking. If your college education is not teaching you these things then you're getting ripped off.That's cool, but I actually work on the other side of the classroom. :) (where I've yet to meet a colleague without a point of view, it's tautological that an individual comes from one given point of view)
Critical thinking does not mean you reject all blogs who promote ideas. There is no such thing as a division between "neutral/objective" and "ideological/subjective", biases permeate all literary production. Pretending there is no bias is actually a very potent ideological weapon for mainstream (and sometimes oppressive) ideas.
Perfectly aware that everything has a bias. However, there's a difference between a blog linking to data and evidence to support an argument, and a blog that links to or obsesses with internet hijinx.
By etiolation Go To PostPerfectly aware that everything has a bias. However, there's a difference between a blog linking to data and evidence to support an argument, and a blog that links to or obsesses with internet hijinx.And what's the point of all this extra shit when those same screens of the forum posts can be found on numerous other sites again? ffs man look at what this conversation is turning into. someone could drop a link to monkeybuttfuck. org and it its valid then people shouldn't give two shits
this is so fucking dumb
I agree this conversation is dumb, but for likely different reasons.
It could turn out to be the shooter. It could turn out not to be. That's not actually all that relevant. I will always doubt idealogical blogs that reference trollish communities. It's a healthy practice to do so. (I gave an example as to why)
This shouldn't upset people.
It could turn out to be the shooter. It could turn out not to be. That's not actually all that relevant. I will always doubt idealogical blogs that reference trollish communities. It's a healthy practice to do so. (I gave an example as to why)
This shouldn't upset people.