"Let me throw out 67 data points and focus on these 4 that happened against supremely shit competition to make my point… Trust me, I understand statistics. You don't."
Did that just happen? Yes, yes it did.
Get off his nuts already and make your own contribution instead of just hanging on to an incorrect point someone else made. Otherwise, just sit on the sidelines.
Sweet, you've now engaged in ad-hominen attacks. You're really winning everyone over.
Here are all the series that the Heat have overcome after losing Game 1 in the playoffs:
2014 versus Pacers (LOL), no HCA
2013 versus Spurs, HCA
2013 versus Bulls, HCA, no Rose, no Deng
2012 versus Thunder, no HCA
2011 versus Bulls, no HCA
…
That's it. Literally. You're hanging your hat on those 5 series? Don't worry guys, he understands statistics.
Ok, you finally made your first actual point in this debate and not just "OMG GUYZ THAT JUST HAPPENED HAR HAR", but I still don't get it. You only solidified my point for me. Miami losing the first game in a series ain't no thang. Losing it only because they lost Lebron late due to cramps, is even less of a thang.
Well I have the Heat in 6 so yes I think they are the better team, and that's factored in to my "equation".First off, how much "better"? p=0.51? p=0.55? Are you factoring in HCA and 2-2-1-1-1? Differences in rest? Western vs Eastern conference quality of opposition? Don''t leave me hanging, I know you understand statistics so I don't doubt you have a really sophisticated argument to back this up.
What's also factored in is that it was pretty obvious in last night's game that they were winning that one had LBJ been in. So in my book, odds don't change for the Heat.It was obvious? Really? It wasn't obvious to me that the Spurs would lose with what, 8 minutes to play, down 2, in a game that saw quite a few lead changes. It was way more obvious that the Spurs were winning up 5 with 31.8 seconds to go in game six last year.
To cut this debate short, yes I get your point, we'll be here all day going back and forth, I understand, from a purely math standpoint, starting from today, should the Spurs have better odds to win 3 more games vs. winning 4 more games. I understand that. I just think it's irrelevant.Fair enough. I can't lie and pretend I understand where you're coming from, but it's clear I'm not going to change your mind.
Well I have the Heat in 6 so yes I think they are the better team, and that's factored in to my "equation".First off, how much "better"? p=0.51? p=0.55? Are you factoring in HCA and 2-2-1-1-1? Differences in rest? Western vs Eastern conference quality of opposition? Don''t leave me hanging, I know you understand statistics so I don't doubt you have a really sophisticated argument to back this up.What's also factored in is that it was pretty obvious in last night's game that they were winning that one had LBJ been in. So in my book, odds don't change for the Heat.It was obvious? Really? It wasn't obvious to me that the Spurs would lose with what, 8 minutes to play, down 2, in a game that saw quite a few lead changes. It was way more obvious that the Spurs were winning up 5 with 31.8 seconds to go in game six last year.To cut this debate short, yes I get your point, we'll be here all day going back and forth, I understand, from a purely math standpoint, starting from today, should the Spurs have better odds to win 3 more games vs. winning 4 more games. I understand that. I just think it's irrelevant.Fair enough. I can't lie and pretend I understand where you're coming from, but it's clear I'm not going to change your mind.
Doesn't matter how much better, better enough for me to pick them in 6. I'm not gonna get into a math debate here, I picked them in 6, I saw Lebron shut down Green, shut down pretty much everyone he defended, and the game was close, before they lost Lebron. Therefore, the result of the game is meaningless to me.
This bickering is almost kobe bad.usually the case when MVP is involved.
OT - when will we make the transition over to slaent? I feel like I'm back in 1999 with this site, slaent looks sexy as fuck.
Hopefully this weekend, but my work schedule has been hectic and throwing a wrench in my plans to wrap up mobile.This bickering is almost kobe bad.usually the case when MVP is involved.
OT - when will we make the transition over to slaent? I feel like I'm back in 1999 with this site, slaent looks sexy as fuck.
MVP, promise you won't disappear when the Heat lose?
lol @ Heat losing...ok I won't disappear when the "Heat lose". Promise you won't disappear when the Heat win in 6, assuming next time the Spurs don't poison the Heat water fountains or disperse airborne bacteria into the Heat locker room through the ventilation system?
#lebroning meme on twitter via BR
Battling dehydration and 90-degree temperatures, the San Antonio Spurs and Miami Heat suffered together through Game 1 of the NBA Finals.
Thanks to a broken air conditioning system at the AT&T Center, the Spurs’ home court was more greenhouse than basketball arena on Thursday night, with players on both teams struggling noticeably in the oppressive heat.
No one, however, felt the sting as acutely as LeBron James.
Miami’s superstar had to be carried off the court in the fourth quarter after pulling up with what appeared to be severe leg cramps.
t was the second time in the contest James had to leave the game with dehydration issues, and Internet users took full advantage of the situation.
Using the hashtag "LeBroning," social media users began mimicking James’ exit from the court and sharing pictures of themselves being carried by friends.
Kyle Koster of BroBible.com spotted a bevy of these images mocking James’ involuntary muscle spasms:
WTF did I just read. Seriously guys, seriously. Three pages just to prove a point that cause losing game 1 you obviously have a less statistical chance of winning the series, no shit. So what, the game is played on the court, the whole reason to watch sports is to witness outstanding feats of athleticism, incredible stat defying comebacks, to watch something amazing.
god i can't wait for game 2
Yes, I need this game now, I dont want to think about game 1 anymore. But damn two days, its needed for LBJs sake but shit.
I hope all those morons on social media get shot in the leg
They're all Spurs fans...stay classy, San Antonio.
tbf, if this happened to jordan or kobe, no one would think to make fun of them.
but then again, they weren't taking HGH to trigger dehydration.
but then again, they weren't taking HGH to trigger dehydration.
tbf, if this happened to jordan or kobe, no one would think to make fun of them.They'd do it if any star went off the court like that.
but then again, they weren't taking HGH to trigger dehydration.
Y'all laker stans mocked the hell out of paul pierce.
tbf, if this happened to jordan or kobe, no one would think to make fun of them.They'd do it if any star went off the court like that.
but then again, they weren't taking HGH to trigger dehydration.
Y'all laker stans mocked the hell out of paul pierce.
Paul Pierce is a terrible person though. Lebron isn't from what we've seen.
giri pls.
everyone mocked paul pierce for that dramatic stunt he pulled.
dont act like it was just laker fans. paul pierce and co should've asked for a slo-mo shot, smoke and lights as he came running back through that tunnel.
and don't forget bitchwade's wheelchair debacle too.
everyone mocked paul pierce for that dramatic stunt he pulled.
dont act like it was just laker fans. paul pierce and co should've asked for a slo-mo shot, smoke and lights as he came running back through that tunnel.
and don't forget bitchwade's wheelchair debacle too.
I mean a Hockey player took a fucking shot to the face and still wanted to play. This is how I know Lebron never played street ball. You get a cramp after hours of playing in the heat and your friends still talk mad shit. So you have to suck it up and play through the pain.
and before MVP responds with his bullshit. I'll like to point out I got a cramp that made me fall over during a raid of a house while I was in Iraq. Still had to finish my mission. Hurt like a bitch but you still have to do it.
and before MVP responds with his bullshit. I'll like to point out I got a cramp that made me fall over during a raid of a house while I was in Iraq. Still had to finish my mission. Hurt like a bitch but you still have to do it.
giri pls.So you do get it then.
everyone mocked paul pierce for that dramatic stunt he pulled.
dont act like it was just laker fans. paul pierce and co should've asked for a slo-mo shot, smoke and lights as he came running back through that tunnel.
and don't forget bitchwade's wheelchair debacle too.
What? I'm not a Lebron defender by any means, but the moment a muscle (calf, thigh, hamstring, whatever) starts cramping up, you're done playing for the day. It's your body's defense mechanism from preventing you to tear a muscle or worse. The cramp WILL come back. It doesn't matter.
and before MVP responds with his bullshit. I'll like to point out I got a cramp that made me fall over during a raid of a house while I was in Iraq. Still had to finish my mission. Hurt like a bitch but you still have to do it.
You know, i commend the efforts and all but your situation and his aren't really comparable in the slightest. Glad that you came out the other end alright, though.
I mean a Hockey player took a fucking shot to the face and still wanted to play. This is how I know Lebron never played street ball. You get a cramp after hours of playing in the heat and your friends still talk mad shit. So you have to suck it up and play through the pain.
and before MVP responds with his bullshit. I'll like to point out I got a cramp that made me fall over during a raid of a house while I was in Iraq. Still had to finish my mission. Hurt like a bitch but you still have to do it.
This is bullshit. I've played streetball my entire life, and being in SoCal, I've often played in 90 and even 100 degree weather in on the asphalt in the sun. I've seen people cramp (and happened to me once in a major way coming later) and no one ever talked shit about it. This shit happens.
And the type of cramp matters. You can have an abdominal cramp and play through it. You can get a cramp just on your thigh and possibly play through it. But the one that Lebron had you can't. I've had that exact same cramp once in my life.
I was playing ball, stole the ball, and was running all alone for a fast break layup. Right before I jumped my whole leg cramped up, from the ankle up to my hip. It was so bad that I felt like my leg got cut off. I collapsed onto the floor right as I was about to jump off for the layup. I couldn't get up or move from my position for minutes. After some help and taken off the court, I was done. I had to wait 20 minutes or so just to be able to move just enough that I could get in my car and drive.
That was the only time i ever had a major cramp. I've had small ones, but not like that again. It looked like Lebron had the same one I did, which is basically impossible to play on. It's not a pain tolerance thing, although it hurts like a bitch. Your entire leg's muscles won't stop convulsing. It prohibits you from moving.
Anyway, this criticism of Lebron is ridiculous. If Lebron was physically able in any real capacity to finish that game, he would have done it. I have no problem with the joking, cuz that's fun, but calling Lebron soft or saying he could have played, GTFO.
There isn't a single athlete that could have played through that. No Kobe, not Jordan, and not Lebron.
I've had calf cramps that made me unable to stand on my toes without it cramping up. At that point your body just says no more. I can't imagine an entire leg just cramping up.
Yep, they're horrible.
On another note, it's sad how all this Lebron stuff really overshadowed just as big a story, IMO. The fact that once he went out, the Heat absolutely fell apart. Wade was horrific the last 5 minutes of the game.
It was a 2 point Heat lead when lebron first called out in the 4th and down 2 when he came out for good. It was still a winnable game for just a few minutes and they folded like a chair. Yeah, the Spurs shot crazy good, but I can't remember a single contested shot and Miami's offensive sets were non-existent.
On another note, it's sad how all this Lebron stuff really overshadowed just as big a story, IMO. The fact that once he went out, the Heat absolutely fell apart. Wade was horrific the last 5 minutes of the game.
It was a 2 point Heat lead when lebron first called out in the 4th and down 2 when he came out for good. It was still a winnable game for just a few minutes and they folded like a chair. Yeah, the Spurs shot crazy good, but I can't remember a single contested shot and Miami's offensive sets were non-existent.
Agree with both Mamba and Reilo. Joke about the Heat fans all you want. Joking about LeBron? Please. I've woken up with leg cramps where I literally fall onto the floor out of bed and am unable to do anything until it goes away and even then I felt like I had just exhausted myself to the point of not being able to move for hours. This isn't akin to a broken finger or a slapshot to the face. This is your body literally breaking down.
Yep, they're horrible.
On another note, it's sad how all this Lebron stuff really overshadowed just as big a story, IMO. The fact that once he went out, the Heat absolutely fell apart. Wade was horrific the last 5 minutes of the game.
It was a 2 point Heat lead when lebron first called out in the 4th and down 2 when he came out for good. It was still a winnable game for just a few minutes and they folded like a chair. Yeah, the Spurs shot crazy good, but I can't remember a single contested shot and Miami's offensive sets were non-existent.
crazy how Wade and Bosh have turned into elite roleplayers that are good at things they never really used to do (Wade scoring completely off the ball, Bosh shooting treys) but the second they are tasked with just 7 minutes of first option play they fall apart.
Cramps suck.
Would I have preferred a win another way? Eh, maybe. But tbh this is the smallest of all asterisks. Lebron played 33 minutes, at the end of the day, and their team still has Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh. We just shat on them in the 4th. There's not much more to it than that.
Would I have preferred a win another way? Eh, maybe. But tbh this is the smallest of all asterisks. Lebron played 33 minutes, at the end of the day, and their team still has Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh. We just shat on them in the 4th. There's not much more to it than that.
Yep, they're horrible.
On another note, it's sad how all this Lebron stuff really overshadowed just as big a story, IMO. The fact that once he went out, the Heat absolutely fell apart. Wade was horrific the last 5 minutes of the game.
It was a 2 point Heat lead when lebron first called out in the 4th and down 2 when he came out for good. It was still a winnable game for just a few minutes and they folded like a chair. Yeah, the Spurs shot crazy good, but I can't remember a single contested shot and Miami's offensive sets were non-existent.
This is what us heat fans should be upset about. It's not like we have a bunch of scrubs out there. The team completely disintegrated, it didn't resemble the Heat at all. Like you said we folded. Once Green hit the two threes then got the steal and dunked it you can tell the Heat just lost all competitive spirit. It felt like they got punched in the mouth and since they didn't have lebron they were like "eh we will take this loss" rather than responding.
But does that mean anything. I have seen this team play like utter shit countless times. Play where you wonder if they have any heart. Then the next game they come back and play like animals. I gave up trying to micro analyze this team and being worried about one game in a series,
I will say I did get amused at Mario Chalmers trying to play hero ball late in the 4th and getting utterly demolished in the process.
Y'all ever have to kickbox, wrestle, or participate in BJJ? You get cramps in your legs all the time but you have to work through it or you will end up losing. I've had my leg feeling like it can't move but still went on. It's a horrible feeling but you can do it. I've even had to finish BJJ matches after getting cramps in my calves. It hurts. You move on though. This is the second time Lebron has responded to these cramps in this way. Maybe his diet is shit or there is something else wrong.
Y'all ever have to kickbox, wrestle, or participate in BJJ? You get cramps in your legs all the time but you have to work through it or you will end up losing. I've had my leg feeling like it can't move but still went on. It's a horrible feeling but you can do it. I've even had to finish BJJ matches after getting cramps in my calves. It hurts. You move on though. This is the second time Lebron has responded to these cramps in this way. Maybe his diet is shit or there is something else wrong.
How do you run up and down the court if you cant move your leg?
Y'all ever have to kickbox, wrestle, or participate in BJJ? You get cramps in your legs all the time but you have to work through it or you will end up losing. I've had my leg feeling like it can't move but still went on. It's a horrible feeling but you can do it. I've even had to finish BJJ matches after getting cramps in my calves. It hurts. You move on though. This is the second time Lebron has responded to these cramps in this way. Maybe his diet is shit or there is something else wrong.
How do you run up and down the court if you cant move your leg?
Willpower! Baby Bron Bron ain't got it! Or something.
Pretty sure he just got dehydrated, he got mic'd up when he saying he can't breath well.. and mofo look dead as fuck entering 4th.
Pretty sure he just got dehydrated, he got mic'd up when he saying he can't breath well.. and mofo look dead as fuck entering 4th.
This has happened before though. His diet probably needs to change more than anything.
I will say I did get amused at Mario Chalmers trying to play hero ball late in the 4th and getting utterly demolished in the process.This was the worst fucking thing about last night
wanted to throw my TV out the window
and before MVP responds with his bullshit. I'll like to point out I got a cramp that made me fall over during a raid of a house while I was in Iraq. Still had to finish my mission. Hurt like a bitch but you still have to do it.
Why didn't you just hide around a corner until your health regenerated?
I will say I did get amused at Mario Chalmers trying to play hero ball late in the 4th and getting utterly demolished in the process.This was the worst fucking thing about last night
wanted to throw my TV out the window
That was a top 5 stupid Mario game. I could not believe the shit he was doing.
He's been absolute shit the entire playoffs. I am so ready for some team to offer him a dollar over the minimum.I will say I did get amused at Mario Chalmers trying to play hero ball late in the 4th and getting utterly demolished in the process.This was the worst fucking thing about last night
wanted to throw my TV out the window
That was a top 5 stupid Mario game. I could not believe the shit he was doing.
Tim Grover was on the radio saying that MJ and Kobe couldn't play through cramps. also, mark jackson is a fucking clown.
We just shat on them in the 4th. There's not much more to it than that.
Actually there is, the players who "shat" on the Heat in the 4th were the ones who were scoreless or non-factors when LBJ was guarding them.
You disappeared last night btw. lol called it on gaf too.We just shat on them in the 4th. There's not much more to it than that.
Actually there is, the players who "shat" on the Heat in the 4th were the ones who were scoreless or non-factors when LBJ was guarding them.
You disappeared last night btw. lol called it on gaf too.We just shat on them in the 4th. There's not much more to it than that.
Actually there is, the players who "shat" on the Heat in the 4th were the ones who were scoreless or non-factors when LBJ was guarding them.
Yeah I run a business with my girlfriend from home on top of debating with you fine gentlemen and my sleep schedule is crazy/non-existent, so in all honesty I fell asleep halfway through the game and woke up in the 4th quarter, then after it was done went back to sleep. Yeah I know #heatfans lol
Konex: His shot has improved a lot but he's always wide open cos folks are afraid of the drive lol. I'm not going to hold that against him cos bulldozing to the rim is a talent but he doesn't shoot any contested shots unless he's in the paint..
Just amazing
Man people love trolling the shit out of LeBron. KD gets trolled with that Lil B curse. lol
Cramps hurt like a mother. Cramps just has a innocuous connotation to it; it sounds like something that isn't too bad and could be played through. They need to give it a more technical term.
Cramps hurt like a mother. Cramps just has a innocuous connotation to it; it sounds like something that isn't too bad and could be played through. They need to give it a more technical term.
Man people love trolling the shit out of LeBron. KD gets trolled with that Lil B curse. loli personally like the term "lebroning"
Cramps hurt like a mother. Cramps just has a innocuous connotation to it; it sounds like something that isn't too bad and could be played through. They need to give it a more technical term.
edit:wow, the whole nation is going all in.
https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/lebroning?source=whfrt&position=1&query_id=-1