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Nice avatar Adam… it's so konex-like…
I like how she's flashing the L to let everybody know what's up.
Nice avatar Adam… it's so konex-like…
I like how she's flashing the L to let everybody know what's up.
lol!
i like how rigging the clips series backfired on the nba since clips spurs would have been much more entertaining
fuck $ilver
fuck $ilver
Fuck da thunderrrrrrrrrrrr 8-)The statute of limitations on being salty about the Sonics is over. Especially now that the Sonics are coming back with Chris Paul and Blake Griffin.
No it isn't, and it will never be, and let me explain to you why.Fuck da thunderrrrrrrrrrrr 8-)The statute of limitations on being salty about the Sonics is over. Especially now that the Sonics are coming back with Chris Paul and Blake Griffin.
Ask yourself, why were the Sonics moved to OKC?
I'm not talking about why Clay Bennett wanted his city to be known for something other than Timothy McVeigh, I get that, but why did all the owners outside Cuban and Paul Allen voted for the move?
I mean, they're all pretty smart business people (James Dolan notwithstanding) in what world does it makes sense to move a team from the 12th biggest TV market and the fastest growing city in America to 41st biggest one?
You see, the Sonics were moved so that owners everywhere could threaten voters with relocation and coerce public money and tax breaks out of them.
You could move all your bobcats and grizzlies, people won't care, and you obviously can't move a Lakers or a Knicks, but Seattle?
It's a team loved by its community, it has been there for decades and it won a title, every midsize owner can point and say "you got a really nice franchise there, wouldn't be a shame if you end up like the Sonics? now pay up!".
So yeah, fuck that, I hope you wither, die and contract, I hope you become a fucking cautionary tale, but not for taxpayers, your single goal in life is to become a cautionary for the next billionaire who think to move a team, I want that asshole to take pause and go "nah, fuck that, I don't want to end like the fucking Thunder".
I'll stop hating the FThunder when they become the Las Vegas High Rollers, not a moment before.
I'm against public funding and I respect Seattle for taking a stand against it in the Sonics' case--but the bottom line is that the sports business is becoming just like any other big American industry. They leverage states and municipalities against each other in a race to the bottom to see who can provide the "most favorable business environment." The NBA would be stupid not to try and use the same tactics that every other big American company uses.
If it's that model you're mad at, then I'm on board. But as soon as the Clips move to Seattle and every member of Seattle-SLAENT is jerking off, just remember that you stole a team from a bigger market just like we did. And the Clippers are in a lot better shape now than the Sonics were when Bennett bought them.
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As for your wishes re: the Thunder: they aren't leaving OKC, they aren't contracting, and based on every indication the players (including the stars) buy into OKC's culture and gameplan.
Clay Bennett might be a duplicitous asshole, but he knows how to run a sports franchise.
Stay mad, but it won't change shit.
If it's that model you're mad at, then I'm on board. But as soon as the Clips move to Seattle and every member of Seattle-SLAENT is jerking off, just remember that you stole a team from a bigger market just like we did. And the Clippers are in a lot better shape now than the Sonics were when Bennett bought them.
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As for your wishes re: the Thunder: they aren't leaving OKC, they aren't contracting, and based on every indication the players (including the stars) buy into OKC's culture and gameplan.
Clay Bennett might be a duplicitous asshole, but he knows how to run a sports franchise.
Stay mad, but it won't change shit.
As for your wishes re: the Thunder: they aren't leaving OKC, they aren't contracting, and based on every indication the players (including the stars) buy into OKC's culture and gameplan.
Oh to be young and naive.
I hope you don't end up being too salty once KD and Westbrook bail to greener pastures.
LA has a team that won 16 championships. Until the last few years the Clippers only had a handful of fans and was mainly a source for people who couldn't afford Lakers tickets to watch pro basketball. Even the league wanted the Clippers to move because it helps the league to be in as many different cities as possible.
If the Clippers do move to Seattle it would also be the complete opposite situation. It would be an owner throwing away quite possibly a billion dollars to move to a city he loves.
The biggest irony though, is that Adam started the thread to Fuck da Thunder, and now we're talking about moving the Clippers to Seattle. Poor Adam.
If the Clippers do move to Seattle it would also be the complete opposite situation. It would be an owner throwing away quite possibly a billion dollars to move to a city he loves.
The biggest irony though, is that Adam started the thread to Fuck da Thunder, and now we're talking about moving the Clippers to Seattle. Poor Adam.
I'm against public funding and I respect Seattle for taking a stand against it in the Sonics' case–but the bottom line is that the sports business is becoming just like any other big American industry. They leverage states and municipalities against each other in a race to the bottom to see who can provide the "most favorable business environment." The NBA would be stupid not to try and use the same tactics that every other big American company uses.I understand why you like your team, sport fandom is what it is, it ain't all rational.
If it's that model you're mad at, then I'm on board. But as soon as the Clips move to Seattle and every member of Seattle-SLAENT is jerking off, just remember that you stole a team from a bigger market just like we did. And the Clippers are in a lot better shape now than the Sonics were when Bennett bought them.
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As for your wishes re: the Thunder: they aren't leaving OKC, they aren't contracting, and based on every indication the players (including the stars) buy into OKC's culture and gameplan.
Clay Bennett might be a duplicitous asshole, but he knows how to run a sports franchise.
Stay mad, but it won't change shit.
And I fully understand that the only way for Seattle to get a team is by inflicting a pretty terrible wrong on another fanbase, but I promise you that, I will fully understand why they'll hate us, and I would most certainly wouldn't give them shit or call them "salty".
Yeah, I hate the model, but as I explained, there are practical important benefits for the Thunder franchise to fail miserably. Yeah, you're pretty successful now (though your success was pretty much built on major leaguing it in Seattle) and success put asses in seats. But let's see how you guys do after 5 years of not cracking 30 wins.
I can hardly fucking wait.
Edit: Clippers fans are (excluding last couple of years bandwagoners) 50% people who couldn't get Lakers tickets and 50% Billy Crystal.
Greener? The only franchises that can claim to be better than OKC currently are the ones playing in the Finals. 3 trips to the WCF in three years, a trip to the Finals, and 55+ wins year-in-year-out. 95% of the league would kill to be in our position.As for your wishes re: the Thunder: they aren't leaving OKC, they aren't contracting, and based on every indication the players (including the stars) buy into OKC's culture and gameplan.
Oh to be young and naive.
I hope you don't end up being too salty once KD and Westbrook bail to greener pastures.
LA has a team that won 16 championships. Until the last few years the Clippers only had a handful of fans and was mainly a source for people who couldn't afford Lakers tickets to watch pro basketball. Even the league wanted the Clippers to move because it helps the league to be in as many different cities as possible.I think it makes a ton of sense for the Clippers to move to Seattle. I hope they do, and I look forward to OKC-Seattle matchups. It would instantly be one of the best rivalries in the league.
If the Clippers do move to Seattle it would also be the complete opposite situation. It would be an owner throwing away quite possibly a billion dollars to move to a city he loves.Bennett overpaid for the Sonics at the time, and he sacrificed a huge market and all that revenue to move it to a city he loves.
I understand why you like your team, sport fandom is what it is, it ain't all rational.You post that SLAENT-rant above, and now you're calling me out for giving Seattle fans shit? I thought that's why we left GAF in the first place. What's the point of this place if we can't give each other shit?
And I fully understand that the only way for Seattle to get a team is by inflicting a pretty terrible wrong on another fanbase, but I promise you that, I will fully understand why they'll hate us, and I would most certainly wouldn't give them shit or call them "salty".
Real talk: I've watched Sonics-gate, Seattle seems like a very cool place (much more in-tune with my personality and outlook than OKC is, honestly) and I think it sucks how the team was moved. But blame the responsible parties: primarily Howard Schultz. He knew the team was gone as soon as he agreed to sell it to a group from OKC.
Yeah, I hate the model, but as I explained, there are practical important benefits for the Thunder franchise to fail miserably. Yeah, you're pretty successful now (though your success was pretty much built on major leaguing it in Seattle) and success put asses in seats. But let's see how you guys do after 5 years of not cracking 30 wins.You're gonna be waiting a long time bro. KD is committed. The situation is completely different from the Cavs in Cleveland, and KD knows how lucky he is to play for a good organization. Watch his MVP speech and tell me he's bolting with a straight face.
I can hardly fucking wait.
People who are watching from a distance don't see what goes on here, but I can assure you that the Thunder are run in impeccable fashion from top to bottom.
You're gonna be waiting a long time bro. KD is committed. The situation is completely different from the Cavs in Cleveland, and KD knows how lucky he is to play for a good organization. Watch his MVP speech and tell me he's bolting with a straight face.
Two years is a long time mate.
People who are watching from a distance don't see what goes on here, but I can assure you that the Thunder are run in impeccable fashion from top to bottom.
You post that SLAENT-rant above, and now you're calling me out for giving Seattle fans shit? I thought that's why we left GAF in the first place. What's the point of this place if we can't give each other shit?You called sonics fans salty in the post I replied to.
Real talk: I've watched Sonics-gate, Seattle seems like a very cool place (much more in-tune with my personality and outlook than OKC is, honestly) and I think it sucks how the team was moved. But blame the responsible parties: primarily Howard Schultz. He knew the team was gone as soon as he agreed to sell it to a group from OKC.
You're gonna be waiting a long time bro. KD is committed. The situation is completely different from the Cavs in Cleveland, and KD knows how lucky he is to play for a good organization. Watch his MVP speech and tell me he's bolting with a straight face.
And we'll see about a good organization, the only thing the Thunder was able to do successfully is tank in Seattle and get good draft picks (and while you can maybe argue that Harden was savvy basketball move, Durant and YNB were no brainers).
Since then you traded Harden, signed Kevin Martin (LOL) and Caron Butler (LOLx2), overpaid Ibaka and kept Scott Brooks (ROFL).
You called sonics fans salty in the post I replied to.YNB was not a no-brainer. Most mock drafts had Jerryd Bayless ahead of him, and the same mocks had Westbrook going around 10th. It took some balls to pick him 4th.
And we'll see about a good organization, the only thing the Thunder was able to do successfully is tank in Seattle and get good draft picks (and while you can maybe argue that Harden was savvy basketball move, Durant and YNB were no brainers).
Since then you traded Harden, signed Kevin Martin (LOL) and Caron Butler (LOLx2), overpaid Ibaka and kept Scott Brooks (ROFL).
Ibaka was picked in the 20s in the same draft and he isn't overpaid. $12 million for his offensive consistency and defensive impact is totally fair. It's far from a crippling contract.
I've discussed the Harden trade ad nauseam in other threads, but I'll simply say that the situation was complicated.
Butler was signed for virtually nothing. It was a low-risk move. FWIW I hope he's gone next year though. Dude was dogshit in the playoffs.
I agree we should move on from Brooks, but KD and YNB love him. The best we can probably hope for is a new assistant to help with our offense. As long as we have YNB, KD and Ibaka healthy, we're gonna go deep in the playoffs and Brooks will stay.
You called sonics fans salty in the post I replied to.I've discussed the Harden trade ad nauseam in other threads, but I'll simply say that the situation was complicated.
And we'll see about a good organization, the only thing the Thunder was able to do successfully is tank in Seattle and get good draft picks (and while you can maybe argue that Harden was savvy basketball move, Durant and YNB were no brainers).
Since then you traded Harden, signed Kevin Martin (LOL) and Caron Butler (LOLx2), overpaid Ibaka and kept Scott Brooks (ROFL).
You have said that, but it really wasn't.
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/ibakas-return-fuels-more-what-if-questions-about-james-harden/You called sonics fans salty in the post I replied to.I've discussed the Harden trade ad nauseam in other threads, but I'll simply say that the situation was complicated.
And we'll see about a good organization, the only thing the Thunder was able to do successfully is tank in Seattle and get good draft picks (and while you can maybe argue that Harden was savvy basketball move, Durant and YNB were no brainers).
Since then you traded Harden, signed Kevin Martin (LOL) and Caron Butler (LOLx2), overpaid Ibaka and kept Scott Brooks (ROFL).
You have said that, but it really wasn't.
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/ibakas-return-fuels-more-what-if-questions-about-james-harden/You called sonics fans salty in the post I replied to.I've discussed the Harden trade ad nauseam in other threads, but I'll simply say that the situation was complicated.
And we'll see about a good organization, the only thing the Thunder was able to do successfully is tank in Seattle and get good draft picks (and while you can maybe argue that Harden was savvy basketball move, Durant and YNB were no brainers).
Since then you traded Harden, signed Kevin Martin (LOL) and Caron Butler (LOLx2), overpaid Ibaka and kept Scott Brooks (ROFL).
You have said that, but it really wasn't.
It's still not complicated Gondo. And it was one in a decent line of bad FO decisions that has left OKC a two man team with a lackluster bench. They'll compete in the playoffs year in and year out but that's not the point.
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/ibakas-return-fuels-more-what-if-questions-about-james-harden/You called sonics fans salty in the post I replied to.I've discussed the Harden trade ad nauseam in other threads, but I'll simply say that the situation was complicated.
And we'll see about a good organization, the only thing the Thunder was able to do successfully is tank in Seattle and get good draft picks (and while you can maybe argue that Harden was savvy basketball move, Durant and YNB were no brainers).
Since then you traded Harden, signed Kevin Martin (LOL) and Caron Butler (LOLx2), overpaid Ibaka and kept Scott Brooks (ROFL).
You have said that, but it really wasn't.
I'm curious to see how long people pretend that Adams and Lamb are anything more than organizational filler in an attempt to soften the Harden trade. We're past year 1 already and I'm sure they could coax another year out of that plot thread if they wanted to.
The point of me posting that article is that it breaks down the many financial and roster considerations that the OKC FO had to deal with. No matter how many times you say it, the situation was not simple. It could have been handled better, and it's warranted to criticize Presti for his handling of it. But to call the situation simple is simply wrong.http://grantland.com/the-triangle/ibakas-return-fuels-more-what-if-questions-about-james-harden/You called sonics fans salty in the post I replied to.I've discussed the Harden trade ad nauseam in other threads, but I'll simply say that the situation was complicated.
And we'll see about a good organization, the only thing the Thunder was able to do successfully is tank in Seattle and get good draft picks (and while you can maybe argue that Harden was savvy basketball move, Durant and YNB were no brainers).
Since then you traded Harden, signed Kevin Martin (LOL) and Caron Butler (LOLx2), overpaid Ibaka and kept Scott Brooks (ROFL).
You have said that, but it really wasn't.
It's still not complicated Gondo. And it was one in a decent line of bad FO decisions that has left OKC a two man team with a lackluster bench. They'll compete in the playoffs year in and year out but that's not the point.
Also, calling OKC a two-man team is disingenuous. Ibaka is vitally important as we saw in the Spurs series.
I'm curious to see how long people pretend that Adams and Lamb are anything more than organizational filler in an attempt to soften the Harden trade. We're past year 1 already and I'm sure they could coax another year out of that plot thread if they wanted to.Adams will be very good--he'll probably be OKC's starting C for years to come. Lamb is still a project, but at the same time he just turned 22 so I haven't given up hope that he'll contribute. He's shown flashes of nice play.
OKC should have gotten more for Harden, but as Lowe mentioned in that article--everyone in the league undervalued him, including Presti.
The point of me posting that article is that it breaks down the many financial and roster considerations that the OKC FO had to deal with. No matter how many times you say it, the situation was not simple. It could have been handled better, and it's warranted to criticize Presti for his handling of it. But to call the situation simple is simply wrong.http://grantland.com/the-triangle/ibakas-return-fuels-more-what-if-questions-about-james-harden/You called sonics fans salty in the post I replied to.I've discussed the Harden trade ad nauseam in other threads, but I'll simply say that the situation was complicated.
And we'll see about a good organization, the only thing the Thunder was able to do successfully is tank in Seattle and get good draft picks (and while you can maybe argue that Harden was savvy basketball move, Durant and YNB were no brainers).
Since then you traded Harden, signed Kevin Martin (LOL) and Caron Butler (LOLx2), overpaid Ibaka and kept Scott Brooks (ROFL).
You have said that, but it really wasn't.
It's still not complicated Gondo. And it was one in a decent line of bad FO decisions that has left OKC a two man team with a lackluster bench. They'll compete in the playoffs year in and year out but that's not the point.
Also, calling OKC a two-man team is disingenuous. Ibaka is vitally important as we saw in the Spurs series.
Since the answer was to keep Harden, it's simple. I don't have to write a 2,000 word essay to say letting Harden go for shit was the opposite of what they should have done.
Ibaka is only so valuable because the guys who play behind him are trash. Is he good? Yes, but he's overvalued in OKC because if he doesn't play 40 minutes then Adams, Perk and Collison split 40 in addition to their time on the floor.
Best case scenario for the FO is that they're being hamstrung by a cheap owner, which isn't exactly what you want to hear. They're either incompetent or cheap, neither are really synonymous with winning chips.
Since the answer was to keep Harden, it's simple. I don't have to write a 2,000 word essay to say letting Harden go for shit was the opposite of what they should have done.Damn man, you should be the Thunder GM with analysis like that.
Ibaka is only so valuable because the guys who play behind him are trash. Is he good? Yes, but he's overvalued in OKC because if he doesn't play 40 minutes then Adams, Perk and Collison split 40 in addition to their time on the floor.
Best case scenario for the FO is that they're being hamstrung by a cheap owner, which isn't exactly what you want to hear. They're either incompetent or cheap, neither are really synonymous with winning chips.
I can even admit that the front office miscalculated with the Harden deal: they underestimated his ability (so did the whole league); they overestimated the tax barrier in coming years (so did most of the league); and they didn't get optimal value for him (which ties into the first point that his ability as a #1 guy was underrated--and it's not like they didn't try to get guys like Beal and Thompson).
But to handwave away all the salary cap calculations, player evaluation, and roster-building considerations with hindsight and just say "duh, they just should have paid him the max" is the very definition of oversimplification.
I think they would have kept him if they had it to do over again (considering hindsight) but you have to take the uncertainty of their position back in 2012 into consideration. It could have gone better, but this is still a top-3 team in the league and probably will be for years to come.
So we moved from arguing as to why every basketball fan outside Oklahoma should root for the FThunder to fail to trying to evaluate just how terrible is their front office?
Whatever, that's a minor point, I don't hate them because they traded for Kevin Martin (LOL, Kevin Martin).
Whatever, that's a minor point, I don't hate them because they traded for Kevin Martin (LOL, Kevin Martin).
The OKC attendance is going to be interesting to watch when they become a bottom tier team after Harden and Durant leave. Will OKC fans still turn out in droves to watch the Steven Adams lead Thunder?
The OKC attendance is going to be interesting to watch when they become a bottom tier team after Harden and Durant leave. Will OKC fans still turn out in droves to watch the Steven Adams lead Thunder?
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The OKC attendance is going to be interesting to watch when they become a bottom tier team after Harden and Durant leave. Will OKC fans still turn out in droves to watch the Steven Adams lead Thunder?
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Fuck, I meant YNB not Harden.
