By Vivalabanter Go To PostHow so? I think we need somebody in the Lewandowski mould more who can be used as a bit of a target man and bring others into the game.Wouldn't mind Lewa either and I think RVP was similar to him. So it could work.
Aguero as good as he is is a very different type of forward who floats about. Not something Van Gaal would allow.
But imp, i'd rather be having somebody with speed and who looks to stretch the defence by running in behind. Seeing Januzaj do it in pre season (yes I know it was only pre season and 30mins) it gave options to the mids. At the moment everything is being played in front of the CBs and nobody is trying to run in behind through the middle. Only Memphis was making those runs against Villa and Adnan for his goal.
Also he might just be talking crap, but Yorke mentioned Gaal doesn't allow his players to express themselves, which I hope isn't true because a lot of it is becoming predictable.
By Bungie Go To Post:lol
not that early but well before 2012 I reckon
I think he was excellent from 2003 until around 2011 and then since then...
Been padding his stats enough so that not one fucking journalist or pundit has noticed. Until now. The downfall of Waz.
By JesalR Go To Post
By Killer7 Go To PostWouldn't mind Lewa either and I think RVP was similar to him. So it could work.Well he doesn't, we know that. Possession is key which means low risk. He wants players to hold their position. And most players are told they aren't allowed to dribble.
But imp, i'd rather be having somebody with speed and who looks to stretch the defence by running in behind. Seeing Januzaj do it in pre season (yes I know it was only pre season and 30mins) it gave options to the mids. At the moment everything is being played in front of the CBs and nobody is trying to run in behind through the middle. Only Memphis was making those runs against Villa and Adnan for his goal.
Also he might just be talking crap, but Yorke mentioned Gaal doesn't allow his players to express themselves, which I hope isn't true because a lot of it is becoming predictable.
By Killer7 Go To PostWouldn't mind Lewa either and I think RVP was similar to him. So it could work.
But imp, i'd rather be having somebody with speed and who looks to stretch the defence by running in behind. Seeing Januzaj do it in pre season (yes I know it was only pre season and 30mins) it gave options to the mids. At the moment everything is being played in front of the CBs and nobody is trying to run in behind through the middle. Only Memphis was making those runs against Villa and Adnan for his goal.
Also he might just be talking crap, but Yorke mentioned Gaal doesn't allow his players to express themselves, which I hope isn't true because a lot of it is becoming predictable.
If this is the case, Memphis is a weird signing lol
Anyway, I don't think that's strictly true. He just wants you to do the job he asks; adhere to team shape, defend and pull your weight, make sensible decisions. Some - like Mata - have been able to express themselves and stay in the side, generally able to do what's asked of them. Others - cough cough ADM - showed themselves unwilling. There's a place for strict tactical discipline and expressive football, and we saw that when it comes to fruition like in that little spell last season, it goes fantastically well. It's just finding that groove and balance that is the difficult part.
Bungie. JesalR. Usho. What to do, if we get Berahino? Kane as our AMC? Chadli & Eriksen on either side of him? Walker in goal??
By JesalR Go To Post
By Freewheelin Go To Postomgis that Balotelli
why is this so funny to me :lol
By n8 Go To PostI think he was excellent from 2003 until around 2011 and then since then…He was still very good up until 2012. That was the year he played up front with Welbeck (11/12) and scored lots of goals and generally look good. That was the end of his peak but he was pretty good in RvPs first season too (12/13). Wasn't the main man so was scoring less but still played well and bagged a lot of assists.
Been padding his stats enough so that not one fucking journalist or pundit has noticed. Until now. The downfall of Waz.
Been downhill since then.
By Vivalabanter Go To PostWell he doesn't, we know that. Possession is key which means low risk. He wants players to hold their position. And most players are told they aren't allowed to dribble.I get not wanting to in your own half and even in the middle of the pitch, but surely in the final 3rd you'd want your players to express themselves.
Adnan will get dropped for his dribble in the build-up to the goal.
#BringBackMoyseh
By Auto Go To Postis that Balotelli
He is that guy from Predator.
By Vivalabanter Go To PostHe was still very good up until 2012. That was the year he played up front with Welbeck (11/12) and scored lots of goals and generally look good. That was the end of his peak but he was pretty good in RvPs first season too (12/13). Wasn't the main man so was scoring less but still played well and bagged a lot of assists.
Been downhill since then.
Maybe my hatred is blinding me but I can't remember him playing too well in 2012/13. The assist against Villa aside, struggling to remember much.
By Killer7 Go To PostI get not wanting to in your own half and even in the middle of the pitch, but surely in the final 3rd you'd want your players to express themselves.His philosophy is about control at all times. If you read some of the more detailed interviews with him he says that players should never do anything on instinct. Every action should be precise and planned.
Adnan will get dropped for his dribble in the build-up to the goal.
#BringBackMoyseh
By FootballFan Go To PostAm I even herewhy are we still here? Just to suffer?
By Scum Go To PostBungie. JesalR. Usho. What to do, if we get Berahino? Kane as our AMC? Chadli & Eriksen on either side of him? Walker in goal??433? Eriksen tip of midfield 3, give him more influence on distribution? Chadli and Berahino either side of THE BOY?
By Vivalabanter Go To PostHis philosophy is about control at all times. If you read some of the more detailed interviews with him he says that players should never do anything on instinct. Every action should be precise and planned.oh dear
di maria's existence nullified
By Vivalabanter Go To PostHis philosophy is about control at all times. If you read some of the more detailed interviews with him he says that players should never do anything on instinct. Every action should be precise and planned.Can't say I'm a big fan of that.
By n8 Go To PostMaybe my hatred is blinding me but I can't remember him playing too well in 2012/13. The assist against Villa aside, struggling to remember much.He wasn't brilliant but he still managed something like 15 goals/20 assists. Still very impressive output. Was crossing like Beckham that season, at least 10 of his assists must have been crosses.
By Woodenlung Go To PostThat cunt needs to calm down, he obviously didn't even see him until his boot was on his face. Diaby's on Terry's was worse and I don't even think he got booked.Cesc showing that concern. The Chelsea boy in him is born.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDobZSbylzg
By Killer7 Go To PostCan't say I'm a big fan of that.
I think it will result in a team with really good foundations and tactical nous - but it probably won't ever result in fantastic football. At least not until we have all the right personnel...which we certainly don't right now.
This is all part of the reason why LVG doesn't last at clubs. He is exhausting. This whole idea of precision for instance, apparently in training he repeats the same drills again and again and again until the players do things the way he wants them to. He thinks training this way will mean it becomes 'natural'. Not hard to see why players can only tolerate that for a while.
I wouldn't be surprised if he's gone this time next year and he certainly isn't gonna be around longer than his 3. But he'll leave behind a good squad and base for Giggs to fuck up.
By JesalR Go To Post433? Eriksen tip of midfield 3, give him more influence on distribution? Chadli and Berahino either side of THE BOY?
By Vivalabanter Go To PostHe wasn't brilliant but he still managed something like 15 goals/20 assists. Still very impressive output. Was crossing like Beckham that season, at least 10 of his assists must have been crosses.
Mm, just looked it up. Still, can't remember his play being all that great. Problem is with Rooney is that he's been an effective enough finisher that I can look back and see he's done alright even if I can't remember. But he's literally offering nothing in this system.
Did you see the video I posted? Such a drastic change.
By JesalR Go To Post433? Eriksen tip of midfield 3, give him more influence on distribution? Chadli and Berahino either side of THE BOY?
Just accept the Eriksen - Llorente swap and be done with it.
By Vivalabanter Go To PostI think it will result in a team with really good foundations and tactical nous - but it probably won't ever result in fantastic football. At least not until we have all the right personnel…which we certainly don't right now.
This is all part of the reason why LVG doesn't last at clubs. He is exhausting. This whole idea of precision for instance, apparently in training he repeats the same drills again and again and again until the players do things the way he wants them to. He thinks training this way will mean it becomes 'natural'. Not hard to see why players can only tolerate that for a while.
I wouldn't be surprised if he's gone this time next year and he certainly isn't gonna be around longer than his 3. But he'll leave behind a good squad and base for Giggs to fuck up.
Surprises me for someone with such a well regarded history in the game that he dislikes instinct so much. Instinct is so intrinsic to every single football match; capitalising on opponents' actions and mistakes is all instinct.
I like the mad old bastard, but I do worry sometimes. I just want to see Memphis and Ander flourish.
By Zabojnik Go To PostJust accept the Eriksen - Llorente swap and be done with it.If Juve can't afford Draxler they can't afford Eriksen. Accept it. And tell Pogba he needs to join Spurs too.... 👀
By n8 Go To PostMm, just looked it up. Still, can't remember his play being all that great. Problem is with Rooney is that he's been an effective enough finisher that I can look back and see he's done alright even if I can't remember. But he's literally offering nothing in this system.Yep. That's all down to his pace, or burst or whatever you want to call it.
Did you see the video I posted? Such a drastic change.
He backed himself to penetrate defences back then. Now he gets it and you can see he doesn't believe in his ability to break past players. And as we've discussed many times before, he just isn't good enough to become a silent killer type of player cos he can't control a fucking football.
By Zabojnik Go To PostJust accept the Eriksen - Llorente swap and be done with it.
Fergie knew Rooney wasn't the same anymore and wanted to get rid but of course Moyes has to hand him a new contract the absolute shithead. Then LVG makes him captain, which I think is because he's been at the club the longest. But that doesn't explain why he's seemingly undroppable though. Whatever the case, a new striker is needed.
By n8 Go To PostSurprises me for someone with such a well regarded history in the game that he dislikes instinct so much. Instinct is so intrinsic to every single football match; capitalising on opponents' actions and mistakes is all instinct.It's funny you say that cos LVG thinks that "transition" phase is actually the most important phase in football where you have to take advantage because of the disorganisation of the opposition defence.
I like the mad old bastard, but I do worry sometimes. I just want to see Memphis and Ander flourish.
There's a very clear and sensible idea behind it all...I just think executing it requires such a fine level of precision which is so hard to achieve.
The match at Anfield is a good ex where apparently we trained all week to attack down the right side when we won the ball back and it worked perfectly.
I'm not explaining it very well, and tbh not sure I can, you just need to read the in depth interview. Let me dig it out.
By Vivalabanter Go To PostYep. That's all down to his pace, or burst or whatever you want to call it.
He backed himself to penetrate defences back then. Now he gets it and you can see he doesn't believe in his ability to break past players. And as we've discussed many times before, he just isn't good enough to become a silent killer type of player cos he can't control a fucking football.
There was a scooped pass he attempted in the Villa game that was unreal. It just fucking floated 180 degrees up into the air and landed at a Villa player's feet.
Four or five times the ball escaped from him. May well be the worst I've ever seen him play. Not a good sign.
By JesalR Go To PostIf Juve can't afford Draxler they can't afford Eriksen. Accept it. And tell Pogba he needs to join Spurs too…. 👀
The struggle is real. :(
By Zabojnik Go To PostThe struggle is real. :(we can give you Welbeck for free and then you can sell him for 40 million to City
By Willkiller Go To PostCan someone pls explain the material conditional to meWhat's this about, Willi?
By Woodenlung Go To PostThat cunt needs to calm down, he obviously didn't even see him until his boot was on his face. Diaby's on Terry's was worse and I don't even think he got booked.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDobZSbylzg
Diaby is kicking racism right in the face there m8
He deserves a nobel prize for that.
http://jeddavies.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Louis-Van-Gaal-interview.pdf
This is that LVG interview. It's very interesting. For instance in attack he talks about 4 phases with the "creativity" phase coming after "ball circulation". You can kind of see that in the way we're playing right now. Which is resulting in some really tepid football for long stretches.
https://defendingwiththeball.wordpress.com/2014/05/26/louis-van-gaal-tactical-philosophy/
This is kind of whats in the interview summarised and explained so its easier to digest but I recommend reading the interview.
This is that LVG interview. It's very interesting. For instance in attack he talks about 4 phases with the "creativity" phase coming after "ball circulation". You can kind of see that in the way we're playing right now. Which is resulting in some really tepid football for long stretches.
https://defendingwiththeball.wordpress.com/2014/05/26/louis-van-gaal-tactical-philosophy/
This is kind of whats in the interview summarised and explained so its easier to digest but I recommend reading the interview.
By Willkiller Go To PostCan someone pls explain the material conditional to meFairly simple, isn't it. p -> q means that p implies q. If some statement p is true then so is another statement, q. It doesn't mean that q is true because of p, nor does it mean the p is true if q is true. Also, if p is false, q could be true or false.
By n8 Go To Posthttp://www.chelseafc.com/news/latest-news/2015/08/match-report--manchester-city-v-chelsea-.html
dat objectivity
A Ramires goal incorrectly ruled out for offside with Man City a goal ahead changed the complexion of this early-season Premier League fixture.
This looks like a fan site news title, not an official website lol
By Vivalabanter Go To Posthttp://jeddavies.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Louis-Van-Gaal-interview.pdf
This is that LVG interview. It's very interesting. For instance in attack he talks about 4 phases with the "creativity" phase coming after "ball circulation". You can kind of see that in the way we're playing right now. Which is resulting in some really tepid football for long stretches.
https://defendingwiththeball.wordpress.com/2014/05/26/louis-van-gaal-tactical-philosophy/
This is kind of whats in the interview summarised and explained so its easier to digest but I recommend reading the interview.
Will read, cheers.
By Pele.gif Go To PostThis looks like a fan site news title, not an official website lol
The entire article reads like something off a Chelsea fan blog tbh.
By JesalR Go To PostFairly simple, isn't it. p -> q means that p implies q. If some statement p is true then so is another statement, q. It doesn't mean that q is true because of p, nor does it mean the p is true if q is true. Also, if p is false, q could be true or false.The only part of it that I don't get is why p -> q is true where p is false and q is true.
There's some weird mental block that I just can't seem to break down.