'Earth 2.0' found by NASA Kepler telescope
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A haul of planets from Nasa's Kepler telescope includes a world sharing many characteristics with Earth.
Kepler-452b orbits at a very similar distance from its star, though its radius is 60% larger.
Mission scientists said they believed it was the most Earth-like planet yet.
Such worlds are of interest to astronomers because they might be small and cool enough to host liquid water on their surface - and might therefore be hospitable to life.
Nasa's science chief John Grunsfeld called the new world the "closest so far" to Earth.
And John Jenkins, Kepler data analysis lead at Nasa's Ames Research Center in California, added: "It's a real privilege to deliver this news to you today. There's a new kid on the block that's just moved in next door."
The new world joins other exoplanets such as Kepler-186f that are similar in many ways to Earth.
Determining which is most Earth-like depends on the properties one considers. Kepler-186f, announced in 2014, is smaller than the new planet, but orbits a red dwarf star that is significantly cooler than our own.
Kepler-452b, however, orbits a parent star which belongs to the same class as the Sun: it is just 4% more massive and 10% brighter. Kepler-452b takes 385 days to complete a full circuit of this star, so its orbital period is 5% longer than Earth's.
The mass of Kepler-452b cannot be measured yet, so astronomers have to rely on models to estimate a range of possible masses, with the most likely being five times that of Earth. If it is rocky, the world would likely still have active volcanism and its gravity would be roughly twice that on our own planet.
The new world is included in a haul of 500 new possible planets sighted by the Kepler space telescope around distant stars.
Twelve of the new candidates are less than twice Earth's diameter, orbiting in the so-called habitable zone around their star.
This zone refers to a range of distances at which the energy radiated by the star would permit water to exist as a liquid on the planet's surface if certain other conditions are also met.
Of these 500 candidates, Kepler-452b is the first to be confirmed as a planet.
Dr Suzanne Aigrain, from the University of Oxford, who was not involved with the study, told BBC News: "I do believe the properties described for Kepler-452b are the most Earth-like I've come across for a confirmed planet to date.
"What seems even more significant to me is the number of planets in the habitable zone of their host stars with radii below two Earth radii; 12 is quite a few compared to the pre-existing Kepler planet catalogue.
"It bodes well for their attempts to provide a more robust measure of the incidence of Earth-like planets, which is the top-level goal of the Kepler mission."
Scientists said that Kepler 452b might be entering a runaway greenhouse phase
While similar in size and brightness to the Sun, Kepler-452b's host star is 1.5 billion years older than ours. Scientists working on the mission therefore believe it could point to a possible future for the Earth.
"If Kepler-452b is indeed a rocky planet, its location vis-a-vis its star could mean that it is just entering a runaway greenhouse phase of its climate history," explained Dr Doug Caldwell, a Seti Institute scientist working on the Kepler mission.
"The increasing energy from its aging sun might be heating the surface and evaporating any oceans. The water vapour would be lost from the planet forever."
"Kepler-452b could be experiencing now what the Earth will undergo more than a billion years from now, as the Sun ages and grows brighter."
Dr Don Pollacco, from Warwick University, UK, who was not involved with the latest analysis, told the BBC: "Kepler data allows you to estimate the relative size of a planet to its host star, so if you know the size of the host, hey presto, you know the size of the planet.
"However, to go further - i.e. is it rocky? - involves measuring the mass of the planets and this is much more difficult to do as the stars are too far away for these measurements (which are incredibly difficult) to make.
"So in reality they have no idea what this planet is made of: It could be rock but it could be a small gassy ball or something more exotic maybe."
Dr Chris Watson, from Queen's University Belfast, UK, commented: "Other Kepler habitable zone planets may well be more Earth-like in this respect. For example, Kepler-186f is approximately 1.17 Earth radii, and Kepler-438b is approximately 1.12 Earth radii.
"In fact, at 1.6 Earth radii, this would place Kepler-452b in a category of planet called a 'Super-Earth' - our Solar System does not actually have any planet of this type within it! Super-Earths are hugely interesting for this reason, but one might then say, well, is it really 'Earth-like' given all this?"
He added: "When we look at the type of star Kepler-452b orbits, then it seems to be a star not too dissimilar to our Sun… The other Kepler habitable zone planets that have been discovered so far tend to be orbiting M-dwarfs - stars far cooler than our Sun, and therefore the planets need to orbit much closer to receive the same levels of heating.
"So it may be a potentially rocky super-Earth in an Earth-like orbit (in terms of host star and orbital distance). It's this combination of the host star and orbit that set it apart in my opinion."
I for one welcome our diminutive Earth-2 overlords.
I just came here to bump my pluto thread and post this. Maybe we can combine the two and make a Space OT?
IMO this is an amazing find. Completely mind blowing too. It's really really close to us on a galactic scale and even closer on a universal scale. Which would imply that Earth like planets might not be super rate on a Universal scale at all. Which is super promising for the concepts of alien life. However space is so expansive the thought of ever traveling that far is mind blowing.
This is what, 1400 light years away or some shit? Say we could send someone at close to the speed of light out there. Like 99.999999-whatever% of the speed of light. Since time would slow down for the traveler at these speed they could make it there within their lifetimes. However, by the time they make it, we would all be gone. Any data sent back would take 1400 years to get to us too. By that time we could have developed new tech to go faster etc etc.
Space's size is a challenge in itself. Having to deal with times relativity when our life spans are so short only complicates this.
IMO this is an amazing find. Completely mind blowing too. It's really really close to us on a galactic scale and even closer on a universal scale. Which would imply that Earth like planets might not be super rate on a Universal scale at all. Which is super promising for the concepts of alien life. However space is so expansive the thought of ever traveling that far is mind blowing.
This is what, 1400 light years away or some shit? Say we could send someone at close to the speed of light out there. Like 99.999999-whatever% of the speed of light. Since time would slow down for the traveler at these speed they could make it there within their lifetimes. However, by the time they make it, we would all be gone. Any data sent back would take 1400 years to get to us too. By that time we could have developed new tech to go faster etc etc.
Space's size is a challenge in itself. Having to deal with times relativity when our life spans are so short only complicates this.
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wait until humanity evolves into the 5th dimension and we discover a way to speak to humanity back in time via gravity and we create a worm hole for them to travel to and from earth 2.0.
By Fenderputty Go To PostI just came here to bump my pluto thread and post this. Maybe we can combine the two and make a Space OT?or option B.
IMO this is an amazing find. Completely mind blowing too. It's really really close to us on a galactic scale and even closer on a universal scale. Which would imply that Earth like planets might not be super rate on a Universal scale at all. Which is super promising for the concepts of alien life. However space is so expansive the thought of ever traveling that far is mind blowing.
This is what, 1400 light years away or some shit? Say we could send someone at close to the speed of light out there. Like 99.999999-whatever% of the speed of light. Since time would slow down for the traveler at these speed they could make it there withing their lifetimes. However by the time they make we would all be gone. Any data sent back would take 1400 years to get to us too. By that time we could have developed new tech to go faster etc etc.
Space's size is a challenge in itself. Having to deal with times relativity when our life spans are so short only complicates this.
wait until humanity evolves into the 5th dimension and we discover a way to speak to humanity back in time via gravity and we create a worm hole for them to travel to and from earth 2.0.
By K@do Go To Postt
or option B.
wait until humanity evolves into the 5th dimension and we discover a way to speak to humanity back in time via gravity and we create a worm hole for them to travel to and from earth 2.0.
Unless Einstein was wrong, we're going to have to figure something like this out though. No joke. Either bending space time so that the two points are closer to each other (a sci-fi horror movie was made about this I can't remember the name of), or some sort of wormhole that rips through space time itself.
We can't just travel fast and expext to explore beyond our solar system.
By Fenderputty Go To PostUnless Einstein was wrong, we're going to have to figure something like this out though. No joke. Either bending space time so that the two points are closer to each other (a sci-fi horror movie was made about this I can't remember the name of), or some sort of wormhole that rips through space time itself.The alternative, of course, is that we just aren't going to expand beyond the solar system (and realistically, Earth).
We can't just travel fast and expext to explore beyond our solar system.
By Sharp Go To PostThe alternative, of course, is that we just aren't going to expand beyond the solar system (and realistically, Earth).
Which is depressing. I don't think we'll ever accept that as humans though. Our drive for exploration will haunt us. Then again, we could blow ourselves up before we ever come close to figuring it out.
Yeah, our best bet at this point for actually leaving the solar system are generation ships.
It's a sobering thought for a lot of people though, because you're basically putting together a mission nobody involved will be alive to see the completion of, and your descendants will be born "into the mission" so to speak and they'll be forced participants. The psychological effect would be significant.
It's a sobering thought for a lot of people though, because you're basically putting together a mission nobody involved will be alive to see the completion of, and your descendants will be born "into the mission" so to speak and they'll be forced participants. The psychological effect would be significant.
working on a transdimensional warp drive right now, I got wahrer typing up the press release as we speak.
By Bruh Go To PostYeah, our best bet at this point for actually leaving the solar system are generation ships.
It's a sobering thought for a lot of people though, because you're basically putting together a mission nobody involved will be alive to see the completion of, and your descendants will be born "into the mission" so to speak and they'll be forced participants. The psychological effect would be significant.
This is basically splintering humanity.
I'm genuinely willing to be sent into space, as long as I don't get Serie A or Juve on the spaceship
If there ever was life there, it should be gone right? Imagine the size and temperature of their sun if the planet itself is 1.5 billion years older than OUR sun, surely it had to completely evaporate the planet's water at some point. No water = everyone SOL.
Maybe they saw it coming and decided to GTFO out. Maybe they found a similar planet with similar conditions to theirs and decided to settle there....
Maybe they saw it coming and decided to GTFO out. Maybe they found a similar planet with similar conditions to theirs and decided to settle there....
By Fenderputty Go To PostThis is basically splintering humanity.
Yep. Planet hopping will basically be hard-forking humanity. People like to think of human history as one long thread. Mindblowing that in the future, it could possibly be tens or hundreds of different 'threads', with no viable way of influencing each other without FTL travel.
Edit: We even already this problem inside our solar system. Anyone born on Mars will never be able to come to Earth, due to the difference in gravity (38% of Earth gravity). Mars visitors that wish to go back to Earth would have to limit their time there.
By pulga Go To PostIf there ever was life there, it should be gone right? Imagine the size and temperature of their sun if the planet itself is 1.5 billion years older than OUR sun, surely it had to completely evaporate the planet's water at some point. No water = everyone SOL.
Maybe they saw it coming and decided to GTFO out. Maybe they found a similar planet with similar conditions to theirs and decided to settle there….
Fermi Paradox. It's a chilling thought. Life most likely exists out there, but the scale of the universe and the time it takes to go anywhere means we'll never see of hear from it. Maybe they shot beams of radio waves at our planet 500 years ago before theirs evaporated and we were stuck in the middle of the dark ages unable to hear or know. The timelines are so large the chances of any civilization bumping into each other become really slim. Time, man. It's a bitch.
By Bruh Go To PostYep. Planet hopping will basically be hard-forking humanity. People like to think of human history as one long thread. Mindblowing that in the future, it could possibly be tens or hundreds of different 'threads', with no viable way of influencing each other without FTL travel.
Edit: We even already this problem inside our solar system. Anyone born on Mars will never be able to come to Earth, due to the difference in gravity (38% of Earth gravity). Mars visitors that wish to go back to Earth would have to limit their time there.
Considering the times scales involved these different threads of humanity could potentially evolve different traits or become different species altogether. Your mars example would be perfect. Low gravity life means bone structure could be longer and less dense. Maybe humans would become taller over millennium. Inversely if we colonized a planet with higher gravity we could develop shorter more dense bones and become squat heavy version of our current selves.
By Bruh Go To PostYeah, our best bet at this point for actually leaving the solar system are generation ships.Even dreams like this are dashed when you start doing the math on how much energy would actually be required to move such distances (for a huge number of reasons). There's a reason NASA, SpaceX, etc. cut corners to shave off mass wherever possible. And that's not even factoring in the extra work required to keep the payload (humans) alive and on course (course corrections and deceleration divert energy from whatever else you were planning to use it for and are a requirement for any long-term trip).
It's a sobering thought for a lot of people though, because you're basically putting together a mission nobody involved will be alive to see the completion of, and your descendants will be born "into the mission" so to speak and they'll be forced participants. The psychological effect would be significant.
This is why even most of the "hard science" speculation about interstellar travel doesn't include any numbers (other than speed / distance), or if it does tends not to relate them back to what it would take to actually achieve those numbers. e.g., if you do the math a solar sail to get near light speed would require "planet-sized optics as big as Jupiter." It's also why the Fermi Paradox isn't much of a paradox.
Until reading this article, I never thought about the fact that Earth will be around thousands (billions) of years after our life times. Currently blowing my own mind thinking about it. I'm not even high.
By Fenderputty Go To PostUnless Einstein was wrong, we're going to have to figure something like this out though. No joke. Either bending space time so that the two points are closer to each other (a sci-fi horror movie was made about this I can't remember the name of), or some sort of wormhole that rips through space time itself.
We can't just travel fast and expext to explore beyond our solar system.
The movie your thinking of is "Event Horizon"..... Which was really, really good
By Zeus Ex Machina Go To PostThe movie your thinking of is "Event Horizon"….. Which was really, really good
Yes that's it and yes I found it to be very enjoyable too.
By Sharp Go To PostEven dreams like this are dashed when you start doing the math on how much energy would actually be required to move such distances (for a huge number of reasons). There's a reason NASA, SpaceX, etc. cut corners to shave off mass wherever possible. And that's not even factoring in the extra work required to keep the payload (humans) alive and on course (course corrections and deceleration divert energy from whatever else you were planning to use it for and are a requirement for any long-term trip).
This is why even most of the "hard science" speculation about interstellar travel doesn't include any numbers (other than speed / distance), or if it does tends not to relate them back to what it would take to actually achieve those numbers. e.g., if you do the math a solar sail to get near light speed would require "planet-sized optics as big as Jupiter." It's also why the Fermi Paradox isn't much of a paradox.
Yeah. It only starts to be feasible once humans move past having a money system. And even then, you're much better off launching from the Moon or Mars due to the lower gravity. And the cheaper options to get to those places, like using the Hohmann Transfer, are slow.
By Lego Go To PostUntil reading this article, I never thought about the fact that Earth will be around thousands (billions) of years after our life times. Currently blowing my own mind thinking about it. I'm not even high.
For even more mindblowing, the Earth will also be around for billions of years after no life can exist on the Earth as the Sun transforms into a red giant and becomes too hot and boils everything away. This is even before the Sun swallows it whole (and eventually Jupiter), and then the Sun will eventually collapse and convert into a White Dwarf. And begin a process of cooling down for billions of years.
To give an idea of the time scale the Sun will exist as a white dwarf, with only a Solar System comprised of Saturn, Neptune, and Uranus, there is no known evidence of any completely cooled off White Dwarf in the entire universe yet. They haven't had enough time from near the beginning of time to reach the ultimate end of their life.
Pretty damn cool, huh?
... oh yeah, partway through all of this, our galaxy with collide with Andromeda, too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrIk6dKcdoU
(relevant: vsauce vid on "what we will miss" : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uiv6tKtoKg )