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By M0aHerder Go To PostYou'll have to ask 343i. May be any number of reasons. But the possibility is there, if the fans demand it enough I'm sure they would at least consider it

Are you honestly trying to say that the fans weren't demanding this from the beginning? In what world would I not want all of the weapons and vehicles in customs/forge? I was expecting it to be there. Why wouldn't it be?

By M0aHerder Go To PostYou'll have to ask 343i. May be any number of reasons. But the possibility is there, if the fans demand it enough I'm sure they would at least consider it.

Where was this heavily implied/basically confirmed? The armor added post-launch isn't exclusive to Warzone. The vehicle/weapons variants may very well be rotated in with the Arena maps, as Josh has just told us. And we know nothing about how they would handle a completely new vehicle, but if they're willing to use the variants in Arena I would be that they're willing to use a completely new vehicle in Arena as well. And they can definitely build the DLC maps around said vehicle if they want to use it.

josh mentioned the ce magnum and spnkr were being 'released into the rec system post launch' when asked if they were in the game. nokyard also seemed to confirmed that post launch rec additions are not in forge=not in customs/arena unless 343 puts them there. if they were going to have em in forge it would be a selling point, people have caught on and been voicing concern about it but 343 has been otherwise silent about it.

Idk, I'm not like furious about the playlists, I think they could've been better, but like some people have already said, no Halo game has launched with perfect playlists.

Now as for sandbox stuff in custom games and Forge, I'm pretty pissed off. I wanted the Keyes Magnum in on day one.

By Cliq Go To PostAre you honestly trying to say that the fans weren't demanding this from the beginning? In what world would I not want all of the weapons and vehicles in customs/forge? I was expecting it to be there. Why wouldn't it be?

No, I'm saying that 343i didn't plan it for whatever reason, but the possibility for change is there if there is enough demand from the fans. They've taken this stance on other issues, such as a Firefight-like version of Warzone where you exclusively fighting against AI. Obviously fans want it, but we have to make it clear just how much we want it if it's going to happen.

By xXx_sasuke_xXx Go To Postjosh mentioned the ce magnum and spnkr were being 'released into the rec system post launch' when asked if they were in the game. nokyard also seemed to confirmed that post launch rec additions are not in forge=not in customs/arena unless 343 puts them there. if they were going to have em in forge it would be a selling point, people have caught on and been voicing concern about it but 343 has been otherwise silent about it.

Well yeah, The CE Magnum and SPNKR are Legendary (or, I guess, Mythic) weapons. None of the Mythic weapons will be appearing in Forge. And I don't see why post-launch additions to the REQ system would be in Forge when none of the others are. But there's a big difference between a completely new vehicle and variants of weapons/vehicles that are already in the game.

By Mix Go To PostIdk, I'm not like furious about the playlists, I think they could've been better, but like some people have already said, no Halo game has launched with perfect playlists.

Now as for sandbox stuff in custom games and Forge, I'm pretty pissed off. I wanted the Keyes Magnum in on day one.

Just so this is clear. As it stands right now we will never get to have custom games with any of those legendary weapons. Ever.

We know they wont be in MM, but are the other gametypes we all expect atleast going to be in the game at all, like for customs?

This news is highly disappointing.

By M0aHerder Go To PostWell yeah, The CE Magnum and SPNKR are Legendary (or, I guess, Mythic) weapons. None of the Mythic weapons will be appearing in Forge. And I don't see why post-launch additions to the REQ system would be in Forge when none of the others are. But there's a big difference between a completely new vehicle and variants of weapons/vehicles that are already in the game.

i mean id love it if they just added a vehicle to arena/forge, that would be extra dope. but i dont see why they would add it to forge while their keeping the new legendary weapons (which are probably almost if not just as appealing) rec exclusive. either way i highly doubt their going to go the distance and make a totally new vehicle regardless. when they talk post launch content (besides new maps) they always make sure to say "post launch rec content". key word being rec.

By nillapuddin Go To PostWe know they wont be in MM, but are the other gametypes we all expect atleast going to be in the game at all, like for customs?

Nope.

Post launch cuz reasons.

The whole planned post launch content to keep players engaged is freaking stupid. What about players that don't give a shit about Forge, King of the Hill, Oddball, or Juggernaut? How is drip feeding us content a lot of players don't care about beneficial to keeping multiplayer alive? How is disappointing fans on obviously desired and standard content even remotely beneficial?

What's that you say? Most people play slayer and BTB? Let's give them modes after launch they don't care about! That'll keep em around!

Edit: I'm through with complaining. I needed to vent.

By xXx_sasuke_xXx Go To Posti mean id love it if they just added a vehicle to arena/forge, that would be extra dope. but i dont see why they would add it to forge while their keeping the new legendary weapons (which are probably almost if not just as appealing) rec exclusive. either way i highly doubt their going to go the distance and make a totally new vehicle regardless. when they talk post launch content (besides new maps) they always make sure to say "post launch rec content". key word being rec.

Josh made it just about as clear as it can be without outright saying it. They're at least planning a UNSC flying vehicle, no doubt about it. That's some very heavy hinting. They say "Post-launch REQ content" because that's what it is. No matter if it's a new vehicle, a new variant, new armor, etc., it's all REQ content. That doesn't at all disqualify any of it from being used in Arena should 343i choose to do so. If they're going to go through the effort of making a new vehicle, you can bet that they're going to be using it in suitable Arena maps. Of which there currently are none, we'll have to wait until BTB is added to see what they do.

Maybe Halo 6.

I'm fine with not getting every variation, I truly am. But no SPNKR and CE magnum? I wanna play halo CE on dedicated servers at 60 fps with good hit detection on forge remakes. How legit would that be?! EVERYONE would be happy. But nope.

Ugh. MP hype is at an all time low.

By zoabs Go To PostI'm fine with not getting every variation, I truly am. But no SPNKR and CE magnum? I wanna play halo CE on dedicated servers at 60 fps with good hit detection on forge remakes. How legit would that be?! EVERYONE would be happy. But nope.

Ugh. MP hype is at an all time low.

my feelz exactly. been playing ce lately (on the 360) and 1v1ed my friend a few times split screen. first experience with ce mp and i love it. the thirst for that pistol is too great.

343i, Josh, Stinkles...I know you are trying, and the Forge reveal was awesome.

This information today, was really deflating. I finally decided I just feel...sad, like a kid who got a saddle, but will never get the pony to go with it. If I had not already pre-ordered a Halo 5 disc from Canadian Amazon to be delivered to my dearest in Ontario, Canada...This would have caused me to cancel my plans to purchase at midnight at my local Gamestop.

Please, please, for the love of all that is Halo...please do better.

You realize almost everything you are complaining about could be added/changed day 2.

Anyway, looks like Assault and Ricochet may be based on Grifball this time around.

Drive everyone to Warzone. They spend money before the population drops.
Then the diehard fans can have their forge and playlists.
It's strip-mining the fanbase based on how 4 was received and played.

It's clearly an intentional decision, though backwards as hell. Halo 4 launched with less modes than Reach, and Halo 5 is launching with near half of what 4 had. Not only is it embarrassing - particularly compared to its biggest competitors in Blops 3 (which has 4-player split-screen) and Battlefront - but it's starting off severely stunted from the get-go

And the map count? You'd have thought 343i would have learned to be transparent with its fans by now; counting forge maps is extremely scummy. Oh, and there's also a 9Gb patch day one.

Not happy, and am pretty fed-up with 343i's BS. All that was really needed to bring Halo back to form, popularity, and a steady player-count was a custom games browser - not Warzone, Reqs, an arena focus, or even free maps. The solution is so damn simple that it's painful watching 343i flounder like this.

By NOKYARD Go To PostYou realize almost everything you are complaining about could be added/changed day 2.

It could, but it won't. 343i's track record for timely meaningful updates is pretty terrible.

They'll change it by December though. But it might be too late.

By AllIsOneIsNone Go To PostThe playlists have me a bit bummed, but I overreacted originally. I never expected legendaries in customs/forge, that decision makes sense to me. Launch playlists still make no sense to me, but I think it's serviceable for now and they'll probably fucks wit it shortly.

I didn't expect all the crazy variants that were just color swaps. But Legendary items like the Prophets Name or the SPNKr? It's ridiculous that they might not be able to be in Arena games. While I think Warzone is its own kind of fun, I don't see myself spending most of my time in it. So not having the option to use such awesome weapons is a bummer.

By M0aHerder Go To PostThat's all of the vehicles at launch. I think he made it clear enough that a UNSC air vehicle is coming. And I'm sure new vehicle variants will be coming as well, even if a UNSC air vehicle ends up being the only completely new vehicle they add. I'm definitely betting on Sundevil and Tarantula variants for the Scorpion, and I'd put money on a Mantis with jump packs.

As for gametypes, Assault was seen in The Sprint, Oddball and Griffball seem to be on the list of things to add later, and there are definitely a bunch of others that will be in the game at-launch and simply aren't included in the playlists.

I realize there is room for later additions, but I couldn't care less about pallete swaps and I don't have much reason to believe they will put in actual additions. It's just kind of a let down.

Hopefully they prove me wrong and introduce a variety of vehicles such as the Chopper or Falcon. At the moment though it feels kind of barebones since we've got what amounts to Halo CE's vehicle sandbox but with a Forerunner hover thing and the Mantis which wasn't exactly the best thing to come out of Halo 4.

The game isn't ruined or anything. But this is certainly a farty deflator for hyoe.

I feel if 343's intention is keeping a content flow for post-game support/population hook, they've played the game too conservatively/greedy.

Ugh I didn't mean to post, but here I am.

So....now that I'm here...

Campaign will be a blast. It will be my personal favorite campaign. Gameplay for multiplayer is the best I've played.

/positivity.

By digmouse Go To PostI feel if 343's intention is keeping a content flow for post-game support/population hook, they've played the game too conservatively/greedy.

I think that they are going to play it well. It is just that I dont think that including playlists in that strategy is needed. BTB, forge, free maps and reqs is plenty.

Holy crap! Who wrote Hunt the Truth season 1? I'm an hour and a half in and now I can't sleep lol I started listening in bed to fall asleep.

BAD IDEA lol

By Fahzgoolin Go To PostHoly crap! Who wrote Hunt the Truth season 1? I'm an hour and a half in and now I can't sleep lol I started listening in bed to fall asleep.

BAD IDEA lol

According to IMDB:

Andrew Volpe ... (14 episodes, 2015)
Noah Eichen ... (21 episodes, 2015)
Ian Tornay ... (1 episode, 2015)

First time? It just keeps getting better and better! Season 2 is another dose.

By Kentish Pikey Go To PostI think that they are going to play it well. It is just that I dont think that including playlists in that strategy is needed. BTB, forge, free maps and reqs is plenty.

I agree, keep a healthy flow of REQs coming should be enough, holding back playlists is unnecessary.

By Fahzgoolin Go To PostHoly crap! Who wrote Hunt the Truth season 1? I'm an hour and a half in and now I can't sleep lol I started listening in bed to fall asleep.

BAD IDEA lol

It's seriously some of the best Halo lore writing of the 343 era. I binged the whole season in one night too. Totally worth it.

I'd try to offer that you hold off on season 2 until it's complete so you can binge. I made the mistake of not waiting and now I have to listen every week lol. It's that good so far.

By YourExWife Go To PostIt's seriously some of the best Halo lore writing of the 343 era. I binged the whole season in one night too. Totally worth it.

The writing is superb. Had me on the edge of my mental seat.

Keep in mind Season 1 won a Clio Award, it is basically an Oscar winner when it comes to marketing material. Of course it is good.

By digmouse Go To PostKeep in mind Season 1 won a Clio Award, it is basically an Oscar winner when it comes to marketing material. Of course it is good.

Oh it did? That's pretty awesome. Definitely deserved it!

By Wesleyshark Go To PostOh it did? That's pretty awesome. Definitely deserved it!

http://www.clioawards.com/shortlist/2015/all/entry.cfm?entryid=201522706
Bronze award but still.

Not too fussed about the legendary /customs thing. More concerned that the playlists update regularly, and BTB is soon after.

I like the idea of community voting for weekend xp playlists. It'll be interesting to see what gets voted for weekend over weekend, and what the possible voting options (likely many and varied with a few threaded reoccurring gametypes) will be.

Community voting as in.. another situation where the majority wins? Interesting, seeing as how we had that conversation and all. Reading too much into it or understanding exactly what's going on? Team Doubles and Objective are "niche" gametypes, meanwhile we have FFA and SWAT day one.

#OpenYourEyes
#DontFallForTheSpin
#343illuminati
#FreeThePistol

SWAT is definitely more popular than objective and doubles.

Yeah my first time. I listened to the whole thing in one sitting. This was just absolutely incredible.

#TeamPharoah

Et tu, jem?

By FUNKNØWN iXi Go To PostEt tu, jem?

I'd take an Objective and Doubles playlist over SWAT any day.

Just saying it is more popular.

By jem Go To PostSWAT is definitely more popular than objective and doubles.

SWAT is massively popular and always has been. It's about time we got it as a launch playlist.

By Fahzgoolin Go To PostYeah my first time. I listened to the whole thing in one sitting. This was just absolutely incredible.

#TeamPharoah

Keegan Michael Key was top tier acting. Very believable and sold the part well.

Also, I made the same mistake... FERO not Pharoah. :p

By Wesleyshark Go To PostAlso, I made the same mistake… FERO not Pharoah. :p

Figured, but didn't want to look like an idiot lol oops =)

Spoilers for HTT (help please):
Idk if its just because it's late, but was the server Ben accessed real? Im confused about this detail. They tried to discredit it, but Petra said Ray had backups. I'm confused.

By Fahzgoolin Go To PostFigured, but didn't want to look like an idiot lol oops =)

Spoilers for HTT (help please):
Idk if its just because it's late, but was the server Ben accessed real? Im confused about this detail. They tried to discredit it, but Petra said Ray had backups. I'm confused.

What do you mean real? I think it's real in terms of its a remnant of that location (not sure). But regardless if it's real or not, I think it was definitely planted there (i.e. specifically remained ON). FERO/ONI wanted Ben to find that server and get that information. ONI was really like 2-3 steps ahead of Ben at every corner once they discovered that Ben was investigating too deep.

Fahz, season 2 might help bring some clarity, albeit indirectly.

- - - -

Also... This week's episode of HtThas avian Kig-Yar in it for all the Kig-Yar enthusiasts out there. 👌

By singhr1 Go To PostWhat do you mean real? I think it's real in terms of its a remnant of that location (not sure). But regardless if it's real or not, I think it was definitely planted there (i.e. specifically remained ON). FERO/ONI wanted Ben to find that server and get that information. ONI was really like 2-3 steps ahead of Ben at every corner once they discovered that Ben was investigating too deep.

Oh my gawd FERO was ONI?

=(

SERIOUSLY

Super tired so I guess I missed it. I'm so pissed.

I'm so confused now

Fahz forget what I said about waiting for season 2 to finish...go listen to the first couple episodes of season 2 haha.

By Wesleyshark Go To PostFahz forget what I said about waiting for season 2 to finish…go listen to the first couple episodes of season 2 haha.

Lol alright bud. I give up on sleep tonight. LOL

By Fahzgoolin Go To PostLol alright bud. I give up on sleep tonight. LOL

Hahah. 2 episodes may turn into all 4 but hey. What is sleep.

By FUNKNØWN iXi Go To PostCommunity voting as in.. another situation where the majority wins? Interesting, seeing as how we had that conversation and all. Reading too much into it or understanding exactly what's going on? Team Doubles and Objective are "niche" gametypes, meanwhile we have FFA and SWAT day one.

#OpenYourEyes
#DontFallForTheSpin
#343illuminati#FreeThePistol

Depends what options they offer, doesn't it. Majority wins, yes, but the uber popular playlist types are not in there, so you automatically remove that weighting.

When will season 2 end?

By jem Go To PostI'd take an Objective and Doubles playlist over SWAT any day.

Just saying it is more popular.

Agreed. IIRC Objective on Reach always had a lower pop count. Or whichever game had pop counts, it did. Halo 3 definitely. Objective should be king, but it's not :(

By Fahzgoolin Go To PostWhen will season 2 end?

It ends on the day the game launches I think.

By Fahzgoolin Go To PostWhen will season 2 end?

Not sure. I can only find six listed episodes so far- it's currently on #4. Dunno if it's going to keep going beyond October or not but episode #6 comes out the day prior to Halo 5's release.

Game's ruined, pre-order cancelled.

/s

I honestly think you guys are blowing this way out of proportion, the lack of gametypes suck, but it'll be nice when all the COD kids dip that it won't take 5 minutes to find a game.


Breakout still sucks though, pls take it out of Team Arena 343.