Halo | Just Dustin Echoes

By Trey Go To PostI think I'm the only one that actually likes the godzilla jackal redesign. And I think they still have bird variants.

Reptilian jackals > avian jackals

The avian jackals probably won't appear in-game but they are still very much involved in the EU

By RedSparrows Go To PostWe've seen footage of big MP shiz (Covie vehicles attacking some 'hogs, iirc) going on on an urban map. Likelihood it's Warzone.

Oh yeah!

Ugh, why is Breakout in Arena? Hated that gametype and it's not consistent with the rest of Halo. Have it be its own thing, so I can avoid touching it.

I'm pretty certain the look we got at the big urban map showed red vs blue with AI as well. I'm in class though so I could be misremembering.

By punchrock Go To Post"Now, as much as we’re taking input from community very seriously, we also realize the tyranny of the majority can lead to unintended consequences"

Good,

That is important this way we wont have Breakout forced into a second playlist that no one wants it in, especially when it already has it's own playlist. With no Breakout in 'Team Arena' everyone wins no one loses.

Better yet, things like KOTH, Oddball, Ricochet, Regicide, Race, Assault, Territories, VIP, Headhunter, Stockpile, Grifball and many, MANY others will be in at launch because the majority wont negatively affect the minority

/s

But seriously though, why would ANYONE, ANYWHERE, EVER, think that putting Breakout in 'Team Arena' makes a modicum of sense.

It's what people voted for, yo.

Breakout is A Thing We Do Not Like now?

By Wesleyshark Go To PostBreakout is A Thing We Do Not Like now?

It's not a problem with Breakout, it's a problem with the difference in time to kill between regular Arena and Breakout. New people coming in will be confused why they die so fast in Breakout after playing regular Arena first. It's just not a good idea.

"Tyranny of the majority"

Who the hell talks like that?

I don't hate Breakout but it should stay in its own playlist period.

By Karl2177 Go To Post"Tyranny of the majority"

Who the hell talks like that?

Someone who reads too many salty halo threads lol

By Lord of Admirals Go To PostI guess IGN did a bad job because here's Quinn's explanation of the playlists.

https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/community/blog-posts/launch-playlist-details

Oh this is fucking rich. IGN is probably so embarrassed.

By Wesleyshark Go To PostBreakout is A Thing We Do Not Like now?

Maybe not "we", since you like absolutely everything regardless of what it is

but regardless, it definitely shouldn't be a Team Arena playlist. You might as well put fuckin SWAT in there, too.

By Karl2177 Go To Post"Tyranny of the majority"

Who the hell talks like that?

About video games? Children.

By Wesleyshark Go To PostBreakout is A Thing We Do Not Like now?

I never liked it, I just expected it to be regulated to its own playlist so I never complained about it. I want to play objective gametypes, but I don't want to play Breakout, now I have to if I play objective. If you had shields in Breakout I'd have no problem with it, but the fast TTK is not Halo. 343 seems to overthink playlist management, it should be rather simple, but they usually mess it up at launch. It'll be improved as the game progresses no doubt, but they always make boneheaded moves on things that should be obvious.

Can I bother somebody to post the Waypoint details? Can't access from here.

Part of me feels that Team Arena has so many gametypes mashed inside because they want the Joe Schmo general player to get exposure to all the new modes/maps.
Guarantee that most players will just mash the Team Arena playlist search after launch.

Opinions are everyone's to be had, but I personally find it pretty humorous that there's so much gripe about Breakout in Team Arena. Team Arena is literally just a collection of the major H5 Arena gametypes thrown into one playlist. Team Slayer? It's Arena, so it's in there. CTF? It's Arena, so it's in there. Strongholds? Yep, Arena, so it's in there. Breakout?

"Well, hey, I know Breakout is premiering in H5G, but I don't like the gametype, so 343i is el dumbdumb for putting it in Team Arena!"

Except, Breakout is a major H5 Arena playlist, so it has every right to be there.

I haven't heard about anyone griping about CTF or Strongholds being in Team Arena, but I'd guess that most would like a CTF/Strongholds playlist, and probably wouldn't gripe if they were still held within Team Arena.

Is Breakout running on slightly different rules than standard Slayer? Yes. But so is CTF and Strongholds. Both CTF and Strongholds rely on alternate scoring methods than Slayer, have differing spawn methods than Slayer, etc.

I'm not saying I'm blown away with the gametypes or even the map list, but I'm also not raging. It's all subjective, and 343i made a call that isn't objectively bad, nor a call that will ruin my H5 MP experience.

By Mdot Go To PostCan I bother somebody to post the Waypoint details? Can't access from here.

WARZONE
24 players on massive maps with REQs and AI adversaries. Halo multiplayer has never been bigger.
Warzone Escape from A.R.C
Warzone Raid on Apex 7
Warzone March on Stormbreak


WARZONE ASSAULT
Destroy the Power Core or defend it in this asymmetrical Warzone mode variant.
Warzone Dispatch
Warzone Array
Warzone Summit


TEAM ARENA
Play on the very best modes and maps Halo 5 has to offer.
Breakout Gambol
Breakout Trident
Slayer Coliseum
Slayer Eden
Slayer Plaza
Slayer Empire
Slayer The Rig
CTF Coliseum
CTF Truth
CTF Fathom
Strongholds The Rig
Strongholds Eden
Strongholds Empire


SLAYER
Work with a team, vanquish your opponents.
Slayer Coliseum
Slayer Plaza
Slayer The Rig
Slayer Truth
Slayer Regret
Slayer Fathom


BREAKOUT
Halo 5's premiere high lethality single-life elimination mode.
Breakout Gambol
Breakout Trident
Breakout Trench
Breakout Crossfire
Breakout Altitude


FREE-FOR-ALL
It’s you against everyone else. Slay your way to victory.
FFA Slayer Eden
FFA Slayer Regret
FFA Slayer The Rig
FFA Slayer Plaza
FFA Slayer Orion
FFA Slayer Pegasus


SWAT
No shields, no motion tracker. Aim for the head!
SWAT Eden
SWAT Regret
SWAT The Rig
SWAT Plaza
SWAT Orion
SWAT Pegasus
SWATnums Eden
SWATnums Regret
SWATnums The Rig
SWATnums Plaza
SWATnums Orion
SWATnums Pegasus


WEEKEND SOCIAL
A weekly playlist that features a mode voted on by the community via Halo Waypoint/Channel.
TBD

By CRIMSONxSERAPH Go To PostOpinions are everyone's to be had, but I personally find it pretty humorous that there's so much gripe about Breakout in Team Arena. Team Arena is literally just a collection of the major H5 Arena gametypes thrown into one playlist. Team Slayer? It's Arena, so it's in there. CTF? It's Arena, so it's in there. Strongholds? Yep, Arena, so it's in there. Breakout?

"Well, hey, I know Breakout is premiering in H5G, but I don't like the gametype, so 343i is el dumbdumb for putting it in Team Arena!"

Except, Breakout is a major H5 Arena playlist, so it has every right to be there.

I haven't heard about anyone griping about CTF or Strongholds being in Team Arena, but I'd guess that most would like a CTF/Strongholds playlist, and probably wouldn't gripe if they were still held within Team Arena.

Is Breakout running on slightly different rules than standard Slayer? Yes. But so is CTF and Strongholds. Both rely on alternate scoring methods than kills, have differing spawn methods, etc.

I'm not saying I'm blown away with the gametypes or even the map list, but I'm also not raging. It's all subjective, and 343i made a call that isn't objectively bad, nor a call that will ruin my H5 MP experience.

👍

By CRIMSONxSERAPH Go To PostI haven't heard about anyone griping about CTF or Strongholds being in Team Arena.

CTF and Territories(lets call it what it is) are traditional Halo experiences, on tradiaonal Halo maps, working with traditional Halo rules.

Breakout is a single elimination gametype on a pair of ugly Forge maps with low TTK, completely different play styles, starting weapons, radar set-ups, map weapons/power-ups, etc.

Like its straight up disingenuous if you think the differences between CTF and Breakout from Team Slayer are even close to the same. One of these gametypes is conceptually, completely different from the others.

This sucks.

I wouldn't be sad if forge was at launch cuz AT WORST we could have the community add maps to the rotation.

I'm in the camp that wishes breakout had normal shields just cuz its probably going to feel weird dying call of duty/counter strike times and then next game you're playing classic Halo. There's literally little to no reason for it to be low shields.

Normal shields would actually give you a chance at reversals and clutch 2 on 1 plays. But nope, lets make gunfights as uninteresting as we can.

Yeah yeah, speedball blah blah blah but speedball is fun y'know.... When you're actually playing it.

By Karl2177 Go To Post"Tyranny of the majority"

Who the hell talks like that?

Quinn definitely hates Halo fans lol. I guess the "vocal minority" grew to become the majority over the years, unless he's crapping on casual Halo fans in which case wouldn't make sense seeing as how we have SWAT.

By Karl2177 Go To Post"Tyranny of the majority"

Who the hell talks like that?

SJWs

I don't see what's so inappropriate with "tyranny of the majority."

By Karl2177 Go To Post"Tyranny of the majority"

Who the hell talks like that?

Dax

By CRIMSONxSERAPH Go To PostOpinions are everyone's to be had, but I personally find it pretty humorous that there's so much gripe about Breakout in Team Arena. Team Arena is literally just a collection of the major H5 Arena gametypes thrown into one playlist. Team Slayer? It's Arena, so it's in there. CTF? It's Arena, so it's in there. Strongholds? Yep, Arena, so it's in there. Breakout?

"Well, hey, I know Breakout is premiering in H5G, but I don't like the gametype, so 343i is el dumbdumb for putting it in Team Arena!"

Except, Breakout is a major H5 Arena playlist, so it has every right to be there.

I haven't heard about anyone griping about CTF or Strongholds being in Team Arena, but I'd guess that most would like a CTF/Strongholds playlist, and probably wouldn't gripe if they were still held within Team Arena.

Is Breakout running on slightly different rules than standard Slayer? Yes. But so is CTF and Strongholds. Both CTF and Strongholds rely on alternate scoring methods than Slayer, have differing spawn methods than Slayer, etc.

I'm not saying I'm blown away with the gametypes or even the map list, but I'm also not raging. It's all subjective, and 343i made a call that isn't objectively bad, nor a call that will ruin my H5 MP experience.

Scoring methods and spawn methods are not fundamental gameplay changers. Breakout making your shields considerably weaker is a considerable gameplay change that affects the core of Halo multiplayer which is fighting other Spartans.

The reason we are mad about it being in Team Arena is because many people would prefer to just play the regular 4v4 we've been used to and not be forced to deal with a mode that functions completely differently and uses completely different maps at random intervals in the only playlist that has objective gametypes. You could say, "Then just play the Slayer playlist!", but the Slayer playlist is missing maps that are found in Team Arena, so the only way to play on those maps is to play Team Arena.

It's kind of a hot mess right now.

By ViewtifulJC Go To PostCTF and Territories(lets call it what it is) are traditional Halo experiences, on tradiaonal Halo maps, working with traditional Halo rules.

Breakout is a single elimination gametype on a pair of ugly Forge maps with low TTK, completely different play styles, starting weapons, radar set-ups, map weapons/power-ups, etc.

Like its straight up disingenuous if you think the differences between CTF and Breakout from Team Slayer are even close to the same. One of these gametypes is conceptually, completely different from the others.

Exactly.

By Karl2177 Go To Post"Tyranny of the majority"

Who the hell talks like that?

Alexis de Tocqueville

By Lord of Admirals Go To PostI don't see what's so inappropriate with "tyranny of the majority."

Were you around for Bungie dismissing many of their fans as the "vocal minority?" It's a tone Quinn is using that indicates a lack of respect towards a certain type of Halo fan, and while it may be justified for some of the more outlandish fans, he should be careful to not place all passionate fans under that umbrella.

He also said this:

Some folks like the selection of Slayer and objective playlists from Halo 3, some folks are monomaniacally focused on Team Doubles or Neutral CTF - while others prefer the mode-specific playlists of Halo 4.

While I personally find it slightly more funny than him being a jerk, I could see people being turned off by it because it's the same degrading that Bungie did to put fans against each other, regardless of intentions.

The playlist selection is honestly a bit shit.

Only two objective modes and they're lumped in with Slayer and Breakout? Come on.

Quinn is just bitter cuz he's scrub-tier at Halo.

Seeing his performance when we teamed/matched up with him this past Saturday...?
Yikes.

By ViewtifulJC Go To PostCTF and Territories(lets call it what it is) are traditional Halo experiences, on tradiaonal Halo maps, working with traditional Halo rules.

Breakout is a single elimination gametype on a pair of ugly Forge maps with low TTK, completely different play styles, starting weapons, radar set-ups, map weapons/power-ups, etc.

Like its straight up disingenuous if you think the differences between CTF and Breakout from Team Slayer are even close to the same. One of these gametypes is conceptually, completely different from the others.

I didn't say they were the same :P
I was simply pointing out that within the Team Arena playlist, there are varying gametypes with differing sets of rules. What you call "conceptually, completely different" is what I call a mixture and evolution of several gametypes. Rounds, you say? 1-Flag CTF has rounds. The reduction of shields (technically, removal of if I'm not mistaken, leaving only "health"), is very similar to SWAT (which has been in standard Slayer playlists multiple times). The only aspect of Breakout that hasn't been in a standard Slayer/Objective playlist, to my knowledge, is lives, but even that is within Infection, which is held dear by many.

Again, I'm not here to argue whether or not Breakout, in concept, is a good gametype. I'm simply stating that I find it to be warranted within the Team Arena playlist.
After all...

By CRIMSONxSERAPH Go To PostIt's all subjective, and 343i made a call that isn't objectively bad.

...it's just my subjective opinion ;)

I agree with the Breakout being included in Team Arena headscratcher. Was always under the impression that it would be it's own playlist, period. The radical shift in gameplay shouldn't be lumped in with traditional mechanics. I think it'll be a fun change of pace, but in the specific playlist it belongs in.

I hope they change their mind.

By Ragnarok Flames Go To PostDax

You are objectively of the same value as two dog turds and a Howard the Duck VHS tape

I would be against SWAT or Infection being included in a Standard Slayer/Objective playlist, too. Because they're are(BY DESIGN) not standard Slayer/Obj. gametypes. And neither is Breakout, whose combinations of factors make it even MORE different from tradiational Halo than even SWAT or 1 Round CTF ever were. Breakout should go in their own playlists and not intermingle with traditional gametypes.

Oh what's that? There already IS a Breakout playlist? Then why the fuck is it in Team Arena then?

By zoabs Go To PostI'm in the camp that wishes breakout had normal shields just cuz its probably going to feel weird dying call of duty/counter strike times and then next game you're playing classic Halo. There's literally little to no reason for it to be low shields.

Normal shields would actually give you a chance at reversals and clutch 2 on 1 plays. But nope, lets make gunfights as uninteresting as we can.

I agree that Breakout shouldn't be in Team Arena, but I don't agree that Breakout should have normal shields. I think having less shields and faster gameplay mixes up things in a good way. If you want to play slayer, well, there's a slayer playlist. If you want a different type of slayer, play Breakout. Plus, having less shields gives a better opportunity for a 1v2 comeback than normal shields. Think about it. Guy 1 shoots enemy, enemy kills guy 1 but now has low shields, guy 2 has full shields and now kills low shielded enemy.

By ViewtifulJC Go To PostOh what's that? There already IS a Breakout playlist? Then why the fuck is it in Team Arena then?

Lol, exactly.

I'm glad SWAT is in at launch. I will play that.

By derpface123 Go To PostI'm glad SWAT is in at launch. I will play that.

Definitely deserves the launch treatment.

By ViewtifulJC Go To PostI would be against SWAT or Infection being included in a Standard Slayer/Objective playlist, too. Because they're are(BY DESIGN) not standard Slayer/Obj. gametypes. They should go in their own playlists and not intermingle with traditional gametypes.

Oh what's that? There already IS a Breakout playlist? Then why the fuck is it in Team Arena then?

Team Arena isn't a Slayer or an Objective playlist. It's an Arena playlist. Arena being even starts, weapons on maps, etc. Per how 343i has defined/explained "Arena", Breakout fits. All standard team Slayer and standard team Objective games could technically be within Team Arena, but not all Team Arena games would have to be standard team Slayer or standard team Objective. Arena is a broad term that, by definition, is given to silence the complainers after Infinity Slayer in H4.

By FUNKNØWN Go To PostWere you around for Bungie dismissing many of their fans as the "vocal minority?" It's a tone Quinn is using that indicates a lack of respect towards a certain type of Halo fan, and while it may be justified for some of the more outlandish fans, he should be careful to not place all passionate fans under that umbrella.

He also said this:
While I personally find it slightly more funny than him being a jerk, I could see people being turned off by it because it's the same degrading that Bungie did to put fans against each other, regardless of intentions.

I don't know about you, but my interactions with the "majority" (ex. Team Beyond, eSports) have always been extreme (to the point of ad hominem and outright refusing to consider a different view point).

By Cliq Go To PostI agree that Breakout shouldn't be in Team Arena, but I don't agree that Breakout should have normal shields. I think having less shields and faster gameplay mixes up things in a good way. If you want to play slayer, well, there's a slayer playlist. If you want a different type of slayer, play Breakout. Plus, having less shields gives a better opportunity for a 1v2 comeback than normal shields. Think about it. Guy 1 shoots enemy, enemy kills guy 1 but now has low shields, guy 2 has full shields and now kills low shielded enemy.

There already is a change of pace in the fact that it's elimination and it's smaller map. It's already more tactical than your average game of team slayer.

And I'm talking in like actual gunfights. Like two people teamshotting you. From personal experience from....the beta a year ago this is the first Halo game since CE where it rewards individual skill in a big way. Breakout takes it away by essentially having a see-first-kill-first gameplay. (against your average GOOD players at least)

Looks like SWAT is ranked too so that's good.

By CRIMSONxSERAPH Go To PostOpinions are everyone's to be had, but I personally find it pretty humorous that there's so much gripe about Breakout in Team Arena. Team Arena is literally just a collection of the major H5 Arena gametypes thrown into one playlist. Team Slayer? It's Arena, so it's in there. CTF? It's Arena, so it's in there. Strongholds? Yep, Arena, so it's in there. Breakout?

"Well, hey, I know Breakout is premiering in H5G, but I don't like the gametype, so 343i is el dumbdumb for putting it in Team Arena!"

Except, Breakout is a major H5 Arena playlist, so it has every right to be there.

Well it is my opinion that Breakout has no respawns, lower shields and faster TTKs than default Halo 5. And it is my opinion that Slayer, Strongholds, and CTF all have respawns, the same shields and TTKs. (opinions in mirror may be more factual than they appear)

343i is el dumbdumb. They forgot they already have an entire dedicated Breakout playlist. (And its not that hard to forget considering the not so vast collection of playlists there are)

Breakout is an arena playlist, so is SWAT, FFA, and Weekend Community. But putting those in Team Arena makes as much sense as putting Breakout in. (Though a playlist that covers ALL gametypes would be kinda fun actually, picture splasers, breakout, rocket-race all back to back)

You can say apples an oranges are the same thing. But you can't tell us we are being subjective when we say they are so very obviously, vastly different games.

HOLY BALLS. OCTOBER 27TH IS ADVISEMENT DAY FOR ME.

YYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

I'll play it all and hopefully enjoy it all. If not, it still can't be worse than having all the scrubs vote for the same horrendous H3 games over and over again in the MCC.

By punchrock Go To PostYou can say apples an oranges are the same thing. But you can't tell us we are being subjective when we say they are so very obviously, vastly different games.

I've not said they were the same. Simply pointed out observations of similarities (not identicalities).

And, yes, I can call opinions subjective, because the definition of subjective is:

based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions

and things that are "very obviously, vastly different" rely on opinions of degrees of difference.
I'm not arguing the difference, I'm arguing the "vastness" of difference. As I've said before, some call it a huge difference, while I see it only as a slight evolution/mixture of what we've seen before.

Again, it's my subjective opinion, though, so it's only worth so much. In either scenario of my or others' opinions on this being warranted and/or more widely accepted, the fact is that it is happening. I'm just having an easier time accepting it :P

The good news its theres only two Breakout choices out of like, two dozen, so chances are low we'll run into it a lot. And I imagine Breakout's removal from Team Arena will be swift and permanent shortly after launch.

By Wesleyshark Go To PostWhy would they need to clarify that? It's not shady. They're maps either way… I thought it was previously assumed that Forge variants were going to be part of the count. I guess people weren't assuming that lol

if its the same canvas map then they should count as one map, thats how the maps have always been counted.

I'm worried that the playlists will rotate in a perfect cycle. That would actually bother me a lot. I need to know if it goes like that or if it is actually random (as it should be).