By GringoSuave89 Go To PostCome play Halo with me and Mix, ya fookin nerdsthat's how Elzar would say it
you know
cause he's scottish
By ElzarTheBam Go To Post*heavy breathing*Wouldnuounkikenwnhug
By derpface123 Go To PostThirty. Three. Days.
Circa 2 weeks for me. :D Yeah i know HaloGAF/SlaentGAF dont like this :D (review copy)
By orichalcos Go To PostCirca 2 weeks for me. :D Yeah i know HaloGAF/SlaentGAF dont like this :D (review copy)
Same. ;) Feels good, don't it?
By Sikamikanico Go To PostYes. Add me if you like - GT is my username.Yeah, i know, i am your friend already. :D (GT: oriic)
Apparently, drinking a can of sugar-free black cherry Red Bull tells my body GO TO SLEEP! :madface:
Back to Monster Zero for me...:p
Back to Monster Zero for me...:p
I think that the Plasma Grenade being a pseudo-Flashbang, is not terrible.
Now, the pulse grenade is terrible.
Fixed for Sparrow.
Now, the pulse grenade is terrible.
Fixed for Sparrow.
By RedSparrows Go To PostNow the pulse grenade is terrible?There is supposed to be a comma there. It's always been terrible.
By Ragnarok Flames Go To PostI think that the Plasma Grenade being a pseudo-Flashbang, is not terrible.Terrible? Why?
Now, the pulse grenade is terrible.
Fixed for Sparrow.
Yeah, I think the effects of the pulse grenade linger a bit too long. It's like walking in to a claymore. lol
By Ragnarok Flames Go To PostThere is supposed to be a comma there. It's always been terrible.
I read it the other way around ;) The comma signifies the 'now' part is relevant, as though something has changed. My point is that it's always been rubbish, the same as your point ^^
Although I've not actually seen the new one.
Just an observation, people are fine with being nickle and dimed if it means free maps. People are also fine with the Pseudo P2W nature of Warzone at the expense of Btb. And finally people are fine that the game is launching missing a classic Halo staple.
Not bitching but I do want to point out, 343 is aa AAA first party studio, so what's stopping them from hiring more people to get all of Halo 5 shipped at once?
Poor show for the xbox's flagship franchise.
Not bitching but I do want to point out, 343 is aa AAA first party studio, so what's stopping them from hiring more people to get all of Halo 5 shipped at once?
Poor show for the xbox's flagship franchise.
Yeah, I wonder why BTB can't make it in at launch. They have oodles of resources and time (I mean, over the whole dev process). As long as it's quick I don't mind so much, but if it's not that will be sucky.
As for pay-to-win, that remains to be seen, although I sincerely doubt it will be as bad as you fear.
As for pay-to-win, that remains to be seen, although I sincerely doubt it will be as bad as you fear.
I think it can be confidently assumed that BTB's exclusion is to drive players toward the new (and monetized) grass, over the familiar old pastures. Else surely we would see the major battle-areas in Warzone maps cordoned off and repurposed with weapon-pads and vehicle-spawns specifically for BTB. I know its been said that they want to provide BTB-specific maps, but surely there's larger intent than that.
Edit: Thank you Wesley x
Edit: Thank you Wesley x
By Nippleviking Go To PostI think it can be confidently assumed that BTB's exclusion is to drive players toward the new (and monetized) grass, over the familiar old pastures. Else surely we would see the major battle-areas in Warzone maps cordoned off and repurposed with weapon-pads and vehicle-spawns specifically for BTB. I know its been said that they want to provide BTB-specific maps, but surely there's larger intent than that.
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By Nippleviking Go To PostI think it can be confidently assumed that BTB's exclusion is to drive players toward the new (and monetized) grass, over the familiar old pastures.
No way. Do you have any idea how much time, money and man power it takes for a person to go and change the max players setting from 8 to 16? We are lucky to get it a month after release. That kind of functionality should take years of work.
/s
By Ragnarok Flames Go To PostJust an observation, people are fine with being nickle and dimed if it means free maps. People are also fine with the Pseudo P2W nature of Warzone at the expense of Btb. And finally people are fine that the game is launching missing a classic Halo staple.
Not bitching but I do want to point out, 343 is aa AAA first party studio, so what's stopping them from hiring more people to get all of Halo 5 shipped at once?
Poor show for the xbox's flagship franchise.
The more they spend, the less they get in return. Combine that with the fact that the industry successfully spent the previous generation cultivating a customer base that is willing to pay for incomplete products and then pay more later for said product to be less incomplete, and you have a game like Halo 5. The sooner you get past it, the better, because there is literally nothing you can do aside from not giving them your money. Make a civil, well thought out argument appealing to rationality and the most you'll get is "We hear you."
Let it go.
Warzone is something new and they want people to try it out and give players the power to make an informed decision on whether to play that or BTB. I don't think it's about not having enough resources.
By Cliq Go To PostWarzone is something new and they want people to try it out and give players the power to make an informed decision on whether to play that or BTB. I don't think it's about not having enough resources.How can they make an informed decision If they only have one side of the options to play until btbs release of "Soon"?
And note people that I said Pseudo-P2W. Not that anyone is paying to win but of you pay you are more likely to get better items that can turn the tide of battle when you have the energy to use them.
I bring up ME3 but ME3 was PvE and it didn't matter if you bought spectre Packs because it wasn't detrimental to the other human players.
By Wesleyshark Go To Post"Here, try the new thing for a bit! We'll update the game with the old thing shortly after launch."Again with 343's track record shortly after launch can turn into "Soon" which can lead to months of not having g that element. See: file browser, and MCC
By Ragnarok Flames Go To PostAgain with 343's track record shortly after launch can turn into "Soon" which can lead to months of not having g that element. See: file browser, and MCCIt's not really a specific thing to 343i (not discounting the issue with how long certain things took), Bungie uses "Soon" all the time as well. For video games, soon has become an ambiguous term that just means "We're working on it."
By Wesleyshark Go To Post"Here, try the new thing for a bit! We'll update the game with the old thing shortly after launch."Or alternatively, "Here, have both of these things new and old at the same time so you can play whatever ya feel like man."
I'm no game dev so I realize I have very little understanding of what the Dev process for games is like and I get that it's a huge amount of work and collaboration, but I don't get why this is such an issue these days. Every Halo up until 4 has launched feature complete. If anything was added it was new as opposed to an old feature playing catch up.
So ya know while I'm not super worried or anything, I can understand people being upset like Rags.
I'm not going to say that it's completely unreasonable to be disappointed that BTB isn't shipping with H5, because it's not. It's an awesome playlist that is all its own that has become a staple of Halo.
With that said, though, thinking about the possible motives for 343i (yes, I realize I don't know of a surety what their motives are), I can't say it's completely unreasonable, either.
Consider their last big "new" mode for Halo gamers: Infinity Slayer. It was their first attempt at making Halo MP their own, and it bit them, hard. It turned many players off to Halo, and to the company as well. Enter Halo 5: Guardians, where Infinity Slayer is scrapped, but 343i still wants to evolve Halo MP, rightly so. They have a new mode, Warzone, and they are confident in its fun and playable nature. What they aren't sure of is its initial reception from gamers who may not even give it an honest chance just because it is 343i doing something new and different with Halo. These same players who don't want to give 343i's vision a chance will most assuredly flock to BTB the first chance they get, never look back, and hardly (if ever) give Warzone any playing time, much less honest evaluation. Even if that does happen, it'll be so sporadic that the mode will suffer from player numbers being less than adequate based on players' refusal to try something new.
If (again, I realize this is all hypothetical, but I think it is probable) such were to be the problem 343i faces, what would the solution be? Trash Warzone entirely? No. Just throw it out there with the other big dogs knowing that it is the underdog and that it could very well have unfair mediocre reception? No, I don't think that's the best answer.
Honestly, I want 343i to be a company that is A. delivering new, innovative, and functional experiences for Halo in each iteration while balancing and keeping the core Halo elements intact, but also B. fully confident in the content they push to the gamers.
I think delaying BTB a few short weeks to force the honest evaluation of Warzone from players that otherwise would overlook it in favor of BTB (especially in light of 343i's current track record) is the best (not perfect, as I don't think there is a perfect solution) answer to the dilemma 343i faces.
Heck, even if they didn't make the decision for these reasons, I still think they're valid, and could very well still be overall better for both 343i, Warzone, and Halo, assuming that Warzone lives up to the hype.
/endrant
With that said, though, thinking about the possible motives for 343i (yes, I realize I don't know of a surety what their motives are), I can't say it's completely unreasonable, either.
Consider their last big "new" mode for Halo gamers: Infinity Slayer. It was their first attempt at making Halo MP their own, and it bit them, hard. It turned many players off to Halo, and to the company as well. Enter Halo 5: Guardians, where Infinity Slayer is scrapped, but 343i still wants to evolve Halo MP, rightly so. They have a new mode, Warzone, and they are confident in its fun and playable nature. What they aren't sure of is its initial reception from gamers who may not even give it an honest chance just because it is 343i doing something new and different with Halo. These same players who don't want to give 343i's vision a chance will most assuredly flock to BTB the first chance they get, never look back, and hardly (if ever) give Warzone any playing time, much less honest evaluation. Even if that does happen, it'll be so sporadic that the mode will suffer from player numbers being less than adequate based on players' refusal to try something new.
If (again, I realize this is all hypothetical, but I think it is probable) such were to be the problem 343i faces, what would the solution be? Trash Warzone entirely? No. Just throw it out there with the other big dogs knowing that it is the underdog and that it could very well have unfair mediocre reception? No, I don't think that's the best answer.
Honestly, I want 343i to be a company that is A. delivering new, innovative, and functional experiences for Halo in each iteration while balancing and keeping the core Halo elements intact, but also B. fully confident in the content they push to the gamers.
I think delaying BTB a few short weeks to force the honest evaluation of Warzone from players that otherwise would overlook it in favor of BTB (especially in light of 343i's current track record) is the best (not perfect, as I don't think there is a perfect solution) answer to the dilemma 343i faces.
Heck, even if they didn't make the decision for these reasons, I still think they're valid, and could very well still be overall better for both 343i, Warzone, and Halo, assuming that Warzone lives up to the hype.
/endrant
Halo 5 HAS to launch this year because MS has nothing first-party remotely as big and important this holiday so 343 has to release something. So yea, feature completeness goes out the door because MS is mandating the release. The only reason you saw MCC last year was to satiate the fanbase because Halo 5 was so far away.
Having been in software this long, this is unfortunately very normal.
Having been in software this long, this is unfortunately very normal.
By ViewtifulJC Go To Postno you don't
you trying to co op the campaign with me, fam?
By CRIMSONxSERAPH Go To PostsnipFantastic post. I HATE that BTB is getting shoved back, but you are absolutely correct and really it is their only option.
With that being said, if they purposefully handicap BTB when it IS released to keep promoting Warzone I will be pretty angry. e.g. failing to up the player count because clearly 24 BTB is absolutely possible, if not 32. Or giving BTB a miniscule number of maps. With 4v4 Arena getting minimum 15 maps at launch PLUS many more with DLC, I would be pretty upset with less than about a dozen BTB maps.
By digmouse Go To Posthttp://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=179802482&postcount=266He's just saying what a few others are thinking. They've love to stick it to HaloGAF a second time.
What the heck
One of my buddies did a short but sweet write-up on what Halo 5 is all about. Handy if you're a complete n00b to the series.
http://bestgameever.co.uk/2015/09/24/an-introduction-to-halo-5-guardians/
/self-promotion ban/
http://bestgameever.co.uk/2015/09/24/an-introduction-to-halo-5-guardians/
/self-promotion ban/
By -Ryn Go To PostOr alternatively, "Here, have both of these things new and old at the same time so you can play whatever ya feel like man."Part of that is that Bungie just knew how to stretch and bend their engine (and Bungie seems to be the gods of crunch time). We already know that the Halo engine has some silly features (Best example being that specific buttons on a controller are tied to animations). Now that there's new hardware, and the original engine's been completely gutted, I would assume (perhaps arrogantly so) that 343i will be able to better manipulate the engine.
I'm no game dev so I realize I have very little understanding of what the Dev process for games is like and I get that it's a huge amount of work and collaboration, but I don't get why this is such an issue these days. Every Halo up until 4 has launched feature complete. If anything was added it was new as opposed to an old feature playing catch up.
So ya know while I'm not super worried or anything, I can understand people being upset like Rags.
By reilo Go To PostThe development cycle was much shorter last few generations as well.And games have gotten far more complex and costly to make at the same time.
We always give clients the usual spiel—“fast, cheap, high-quality: pick two”. But even that is an erroneous reckoning. Even if you have the money to pay as many people as much overtime as you need, there are always going to be bottlenecks in production, scaling issues, oversight, or inefficiencies in any process that mean that you’ll never get a better game by simple application of more time and/or money.
BTB getting pushed back is obviously a function of them focusing on Warzone; they had everything up on a board and the directors would know at some point which cows they were going to have to sacrifice to bring everything in on time. It’s unfortunate, but the answer isn’t “Microsoft is rich, they should be able to bring us more stuff every game with nothing lost!”
By punchrock Go To PostFantastic post. I HATE that BTB is getting shoved back, but you are absolutely correct and really it is their only option.
With that being said, if they purposefully handicap BTB when it IS released to keep promoting Warzone I will be pretty angry. e.g. failing to up the player count because clearly 24 BTB is absolutely possible, if not 32. Or giving BTB a miniscule number of maps. With 4v4 Arena getting minimum 15 maps at launch PLUS many more with DLC, I would be pretty upset with less than about a dozen BTB maps.
They won't make BTB 12v12 probably. The whole point of Warzone is it's a larger, more chaotic BTB. The more people you add, the less effect an individual person can have and the less control a team can have over the game.
And I highly doubt we're going to get 12 dedicated BTB maps in addition to all the other maps we're getting, so you might as well be disappointed right now and save yourself from worrying about it later.
By Ricky Ricardo Go To PostHe's just saying what a few others are thinking. They've love to stick it to HaloGAF a second time.Everyone loves to shit on HaloGAF. Even HaloGAF.
By fuchsdh Go To PostBut games have gotten far more complex and costly to make at the same time.But? Did you mean 'And'? Because that's exactly what I was insinuating lol.
By reilo Go To PostBut? Did you mean 'And'? Because that's exactly what I was insinuating lol.Yeah, got me before I editing in more thoughts.
By fuchsdh Go To PostYeah, got me before I editing in more thoughts.Excellent points.
From experience, even on the smallest projects, solving a problem by throwing more developers mid-cycle (or worse, close to end-of-life cycle) is always a recipe for disaster. Ideally, you have the same group work on the project throughout and you scale the team VERY early if necessary.
Throwing someone onto a project they haven't touched before with a tight deadline is really difficult to accomplish.
By Granadier Go To PostEveryone loves to shit on HaloGAF. Even HaloGAF.It's easy when the optimists are easily shit on.
By digmouse Go To Posthttp://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=179802482&postcount=266
What the heck
What a shitpost. That being said... Given how horrendous Unity was at launch, I'm going to guess it's the new AC.