By jem Go To PostThat is fair and I'd agree, that said I think a good story benefits from being 'grey' as opposed to black and white.
I do think far too many stories get marketed as 'grey' and interesting but fail to deliver.
Precisely--it's often a empty marketing catch phrase.
EDIT: I do want to clarify that I think Halo's lore is a good example of a healthy mixture of both black/white and ambiguity.
To be fair games are the last medium I'd look to for a complex moral dilemma and deeper themes anyway.
Unless it's a Butch Hartman saturday morning cartoon, a villain who's purely evil for the lulz without actually having motives for their actions (e.g. thinking they are the good guys, or they're some kind of force of nature that acts to perpetuate their existence) is objectively narratively limiting. People are going for ethical ambiguity these days because, shocker: people aren't inherently perfect. People generally don't want to hear the same story about The Infallible Awesome McGreatbro defeating the evil legions of A.N.T.A.G.O.N.I.S.T. without any real context for 300 issues.
By Wahrer Go To PostUnless it's a Butch Hartman saturday morning cartoon, a villain who's purely evil for the lulz without actually having motives for their actions (e.g. thinking they are the good guys, or they're some kind of force of nature that acts to perpetuate their existence) is objectively narratively limiting. People are going for ethical ambiguity these days because, shocker: people aren't inherently perfect. People generally don't want to hear the same story about The Infallible Awesome McGreatbro defeating the evil legions legions of A.N.T.A.G.O.N.I.S.T. without any real context for 300 issues.
Yeah I totally agree.
I think Halo's very good in regard to grey areas.
Especially with the whole origin of the Spartan IIs and ONI etc.
It's a shame it's not presented so well in the games.
Especially with the whole origin of the Spartan IIs and ONI etc.
It's a shame it's not presented so well in the games.
Evil dudes usually have clear motivations. At the same time I think a lot of Origin Stories for them just take away from their character. Darth Vader's origin story is one of the worst I can think of in recent memory. Here's a badass that gets written in the prequels as an abusive little crybaby. You don't really need that much background on a villain, especially if it just makes them look pathetic rather than intimidating and menacing.
By db Go To PostEvil dudes usually have clear motivations. At the same time I think a lot of Origin Stories for them just take away from their character. Darth Vader's origin story is one of the worst I can think of in recent memory. Here's a badass that gets written in the prequels as an abusive little crybaby. You don't really need that much background on a villain, especially if it just makes them look pathetic rather than intimidating and menacing.
Prequels?
Ohhh you mean those big budget fan fiction movies? Yeah, those are repulsive.
So ... there's been a leak apparently? We're 50 days away dammit!
Am I safe in here with you guys or is my Halo 5 virginity in danger?
Am I safe in here with you guys or is my Halo 5 virginity in danger?
By Fahzgoolin Go To PostPrequels?Yeah here's to hoping they get retconned.
Ohhh you mean those big budget fan fiction movies? Yeah, those are repulsive.
The leak is just a Halo 5 advertisement that plays before a movie in certain theaters. It's mostly stuff we've already seen in previous ViDocs, and if the part people are saying might be spoilery is about as spoilery as the Halo 5 box art.
By Ricky Ricardo Go To PostSo … there's been a leak apparently? We're 50 days away dammit!It's a leaked vidoc.
Am I safe in here with you guys or is my Halo 5 virginity in danger?
By derpface123 Go To PostThe leak is just a Halo 5 advertisement that plays before a movie in certain theaters. It's mostly stuff we've already seen in previous ViDocs, and if the part people are saying might be spoilery is about as spoilery as the Halo 5 box art.
I've assumed that's what's going to happen, but now its pretty well confirmed :( Maybe Chief will put Locke in a head-lock, so we can make sick memes about a Head-Locke
By derpface123 Go To Posthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh0osuwkO2sI want this trailer now so bad
Leaked Halo 5 trailer from movie theaters. Might get taken down soon so watch it while you can.
By db Go To PostIs there a reason you can't just map the buttons to whatever you want like in PC games?The answer is likely the same as the previous games: legacy spaghetti code from the Bungie days. Said code ties control scheme to the animation system, so every change has to be thoroughly tested to make sure it doesn't break the game. Contrast this with a simpler "mapping to actions" technique that other games use.
Errrr.... I mean its a brand new engine! Not one with inherent legacy issues...
I know I've said we should stop bitching about Gamingside, but this deserves some special attention.
By Poodlestrike Go To PostI know I've said we should stop bitching about Gamingside, but this deserves some special attention.
"The team handling the series just isn't capable of making a good Halo game."
Well you only gave them one try, so...
By db Go To PostHalo 4 despite its faults feels the best of any Halo. Also Bungie made Reach so um…343 are really, really good at game feel.
Controlling your Spartan just feels really good in Halo 4.
By Fahzgoolin Go To PostI miss the refresh button for mobile here.
As do I. I didn't think I could miss something so minuscule so much
I don't know where I read it, but somehow I've gotten it into my head that hunt the truth season 2 starts today? Anyone who has confirmation to this?
By Fahzgoolin Go To PostI miss the refresh button for mobile here.Got rid of the "go to bottom of page" button too didn't they?
By AnonomissX Go To PostI have 2 "Stylish" filters applied, "Indigo, child" and "Nilla's Hyperdark/minimal". ]
My dawgg. I'll update it since some things changed, I didn't bother cause I wasn't sure if anyone actually used it but me lol
By reilo Go To PostI think I have a fix for that.
Plz, need this bad, #forgottenWPnation
By YourExWife Go To PostThe answer is likely the same as the previous games: legacy spaghetti code from the Bungie days. Said code ties control scheme to the animation system, so every change has to be thoroughly tested to make sure it doesn't break the game. Contrast this with a simpler "mapping to actions" technique that other games use."Yes, yess. Halo 5 is sporting a brand new* engine! Hot and fresh, baby. We da bes."
Errrr…. I mean its a brand new engine! Not one with inherent legacy issues…
-in a different context-
"There are still some tidbits of legacy code, dating back to Halo CE even! It's really interesting and exciting!"
For me, it's like a running gag whenever they talk about the Halo engine. "Are they going to talk about how sexy it is today and not bring up legacy code because it's old when they're talking about the new, or will they bring up legacy code to mention how cool it is that there are traces of old stuff in there but it still looks this good?!"
Nilla's Bold Claims
Halo 5 has the best feeling iteration of every sandbox weapon in franchise history.
Halo 5 has the best movement and Spartan feel in franchise history.
Halo 5 has the best feeling iteration of every sandbox weapon in franchise history.
Halo 5 has the best movement and Spartan feel in franchise history.
By nillapuddin Go To PostNilla's Bold ClaimsI definitely agree with 2.
Halo 5 has the best feeling iteration of every sandbox weapon in franchise history.
Halo 5 has the best movement and Spartan feel in franchise history.
1 will require more testing, but signs are positive thus far. The conventional sandbox has certainly never looked better.
By Fahzgoolin Go To PostAnyone wanna play Halo CE MP with me?
I'm down.
By derpface123 Go To PostI'm down.GT: Sir Fahzgoolin
By belushy Go To PostTuesday is almost upon us. Time to be either disappointed or massively fucking hyped.
Lol. True.
Usually the first day of any IGN first is rather tame though, right?
Yeah, there probably won't be much to show for the first day or even the first week. Then again we got some sort of gameplay video or gameplay info every single day when MCC was the IGN first last year.
By Fahzgoolin Go To PostLol. True.It varies. First day of their XCOM 2 coverage was pretty nuts.
Usually the first day of any IGN first is rather tame though, right?
By derpface123 Go To PostFriend invite sent, Fahz. Getting on my Xbox now.
I can't join your game =/
By derpface123 Go To Posthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh0osuwkO2s
Leaked Halo 5 trailer from movie theaters. Might get taken down soon so watch it while you can.
"we've also got this real personal story."
*flashes a shot of Cortana*
🎺
I always thought New Vegas did the whole "grey and black morality" thing pretty well. None of the major factions were inherently good, i.e. NCR is democracy at gun point, forcing other towns to pay taxes at the end, while others like Mr. House meant getting rid of the Kings and still having a crazy guy running the place, but at least he knew what he was doing and his plans for the city were great. Then you got Yes Man, who let you run New Vegas by yourself, but by not being Mr. House, you doomed the place because you lack his intelligence and vision for the city's future. And last but not least you got the Legion who are by all means in the black morality spectrum.
By Poodlestrike Go To PostI know I've said we should stop bitching about Gamingside, but this deserves some special attention.
wow what garbage. Should be locked by mods, but it won't be.
By jem Go To PostFahz, you need to make that "When did you stop caring about Metal Gear Solid?" thread.
I almost hit the post button on the thread... But I don't wanna be banned lol
By Fahzgoolin Go To PostI almost hit the post button on the thread… But I don't wanna be banned lolI'd be fully up for making it if I'd ever actually played the series...
If you were to phrase it seriously then banning you for it would be ridiculous.
By db Go To PostWhy you gotta post like this.Because he's a Shill.
By jem Go To PostI'd be fully up for making it if I'd ever actually played the series…Parody threads are bannable, and that would definitely qualify. Rag, it's a shame you already committed account suicide, could have put it to good use.
If you were to phrase it seriously then banning you for it would be ridiculous.
My brain hurts:
Originally Posted by Hyperborean
I stopped caring about Halo when I saw that 10 minute video of Halo 5's multiplayer. I thought 343 learned their lesson due to Halo 4 low Xbox live playing figures. They've only half learned I think ie they dropped load outs, but they still think a small amount of hits should be enough to kill a spartan. The player should feel like a powerful cyborg warrior like in Bungie's games, with these cool shields, instead they want to create an experience of killing and dieing like their more popular competitor, which to me is not classic Halo.
Originally Posted by Hyperborean
I stopped caring about Halo when I saw that 10 minute video of Halo 5's multiplayer. I thought 343 learned their lesson due to Halo 4 low Xbox live playing figures. They've only half learned I think ie they dropped load outs, but they still think a small amount of hits should be enough to kill a spartan. The player should feel like a powerful cyborg warrior like in Bungie's games, with these cool shields, instead they want to create an experience of killing and dieing like their more popular competitor, which to me is not classic Halo.
Gaf is a fucking cesspool. I still go there now and again out of habit, but I struggle everyday with just deciding to post something stupid to get me banned.
I'm currently humouring a mic-less derpface123 in random 1v1 Halo 4 matches? Lol
Edit: Derp ur weird man. I ask if anyone wants to join me for Halo CE mp and we play one game and then you play Actionsack for 4 games in a row. Then you make a 1v1 king of the hill on Halo 4 longbow and then another 1v1 and you use a banshee?
I had to bail lol
Edit: Derp ur weird man. I ask if anyone wants to join me for Halo CE mp and we play one game and then you play Actionsack for 4 games in a row. Then you make a 1v1 king of the hill on Halo 4 longbow and then another 1v1 and you use a banshee?
I had to bail lol