Halo | Just Dustin Echoes

Just brilliant. It's such a confident take on Halo. I love how they're tying in all the different plot threads. Locke, Tanaka, Vale, Buck... Lasky and Palmer returning... for the casual fan, the mention of Halsey being kidnapped ties it in very neatly to the end of Spartan Ops. And all of that without tons of exposition, just straight to the point, air-punchingly good Halo!

Someone comment on my blue team intro. It's obviously how it's going to happen.

By Lord of Admirals Go To Post

That's just the NuWraith.

Yeah, that's just the cool new-design Wraith for Halo 5. The old one was bulky, the new one is more in line with the new contoured Needler and Carbine designs. Besides...

Real wraiths have curves.

Muh bad. I'm well aware of the new Wraith design, but the 7 thrusters on it and its parallel nature to the ground made me think otherwise.

By Ragnarok Flames Go To PostSomeone comment on my blue team intro. It's obviously how it's going to happen.

It won't. First mission & cutscene with Blue Team has them boarding the Argent Moon a la Dead Space or Star Trek.

Cross post from neoGaf:

What I got from the video :

-Locke is smug and robotic and is afraid of using his face to convey emotion.
-the camera is on "swirl about erratically" mode.
-Spartans have no weight and leap through dense snow like a gazelle.
-pretty CGI, yo
-music is gewd stawff
-ground pound still looks really stupid lol
-i can't wait to ground pound scrubs in MM
-snow level hype!

By Fahzgoolin Go To PostCross post from neoGaf:

What I got from the video :

-Locke is smug and robotic and is afraid of using his face to convey emotion.
-the camera is on "swirl about erratically" mode.
-Spartans have no weight and leap through dense snow like a gazelle.
-pretty CGI, yo
-music is gewd stawff
-ground pound still looks really stupid lol
-i can't wait to ground pound scrubs in MM
-snow level hype!

Which is actually the way it's supposed to be.

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One of the colonies destroyed: Conrad's Point.

By Fahzgoolin Go To PostCross post from neoGaf:

What I got from the video :

-Locke is smug and robotic and is afraid of using his face to convey emotion.
-the camera is on "swirl about erratically" mode.
-Spartans have no weight and leap through dense snow like a gazelle.
-pretty CGI, yo
-music is gewd stawff
-ground pound still looks really stupid lol
-i can't wait to ground pound scrubs in MM
-snow level hype!

They're Spartans.

Bros 4 Life:
Dat new Wraith is hnnnng

I know Spartans are technically meant to be capable of all that crazy stuff but damn, I really don't like that style of over the top action.

It seemed completely implausible to me which sucks as I've always considered Halo to be a fairly grounded series. That cutscene was just silly...

There's aka going to be a massive disconnect between that cutscene and the actual gameplay. We'll go from sprinting down mountains at breakneck speeds to casually jogging around, elites will suddenly actually pose a threat and will take more than a few AR rounds to take down, bullets will actually be fired at you instead of every direction but you...


Damn, it fucking sucks to be salty whilst everyone else is excited, how the hell do you manage this on a daily basis Rag?

Man, I'm gunna have to re-listen to Hunt the Truth to get re-hyped.

By jem Go To PostI know Spartans are technically meant to be capable of all that crazy stuff but damn, I really don't like that style of over the top action.

It seemed completely implausible to be which sucks as I've always considered Halo to be a fairly grounded series. That cutscene was just silly…


Damn, it fucking sucks to be salty whilst everyone else is excited, how the hell do you manage this on a daily basis Rag?

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The facial animations looked better in 4, somehow.

By Wahrer Go To PostThey're Spartans.

I get that they are supposed to be jet tanks but they smash through boulders but barely sink into the snow. Goofy stupid stuff.

It looked really unnatural and odd. Looked like a choreographed ballerina dance instead of a crazy battle. Heck, they keep smashing snow with their fist with all their weight and maintain momentum...lol

I'm with you Jem.

I'm also with you Rag. Locke is annoying. Palmer > Locke

By jem Go To PostI know Spartans are technically meant to be capable of all that crazy stuff but damn, I really don't like that style of over the top action.

It seemed completely implausible to me which sucks as I've always considered Halo to be a fairly grounded series. That cutscene was just silly…

There's aka going to be a massive disconnect between that cutscene and the actual gameplay. We'll go from sprinting down mountains at breakneck speeds to casually jogging around, elites will suddenly actually pose a threat and will take more than a few AR rounds to take down, bullets will actually be fired at you instead of every direction but you…


Damn, it fucking sucks to be salty whilst everyone else is excited, how the hell do you manage this on a daily basis Rag?

I'm vaguely nihilistic about games I like. Seriously, I try to have no expectations and I am incredibly passionate about stuff which leads to very polarizing opinions. Suffice to say, its a talent that has been fostered by years of being let down. I mean shit I got a Fallout tattoo and am planning a Halo piece. I love these fucking games man. And that's why I'm so set in my opinions.

I liked it.

By jem Go To PostI know Spartans are technically meant to be capable of all that crazy stuff but damn, I really don't like that style of over the top action.

It seemed completely implausible to me which sucks as I've always considered Halo to be a fairly grounded series. That cutscene was just silly…

There's aka going to be a massive disconnect between that cutscene and the actual gameplay. We'll go from sprinting down mountains at breakneck speeds to casually jogging around, elites will suddenly actually pose a threat and will take more than a few AR rounds to take down, bullets will actually be fired at you instead of every direction but you…


Damn, it fucking sucks to be salty whilst everyone else is excited, how the hell do you manage this on a daily basis Rag?

Disconnect from gameplay? Sure, it was way more cinematic than gameplay, but there was sprinting, thruster pack, stabilizers, Ground Pound, Spartan Charge.

Plus, you know, no one's gonna give much attention to a squad of four soldiers when your entire military presence on Kamchata is attempting to storm a Forerunner military site that is incredibly hostile.

Tanaka's hair looked way better pre-baked. It looks too glossy in all the other renders we've seen.

By Fahzgoolin Go To PostI'm also with you Rag. Locke is annoying. Palmer > Locke

That's just racist.
Just kidding, but what has Locke done to be worse than Palmer other than existing?is it because 343i created him?

By Fahzgoolin Go To PostI get that they are supposed to be jet tanks but they smash through boulders but barely sink into the snow. Goofy stupid stuff.

It looked really unnatural and odd. Looked like a choreographed ballerina dance instead of a crazy battle. Heck, they keep smashing snow with their fist with all their weight and maintain momentum…lol

I'm with you Jem.

I'm also with you Rag. Locke is annoying. Palmer > Locke

Alright, everyone that enjoyed the trailer, let's leave for a few hours so the saltys can vomit together.

We'll come back after you've cleaned.

Thanks

By Fahzgoolin Go To PostI get that they are supposed to be jet tanks but they smash through boulders but barely sink into the snow. Goofy stupid stuff.

It looked really unnatural and odd. Looked like a choreographed ballerina dance instead of a crazy battle. Heck, they keep smashing snow with their fist with all their weight and maintain momentum…lol

I'm with you Jem.

I'm also with you Rag. Locke is annoying. Palmer > Locke

That's a perfect way to put it, it was far too choreographed.

I slightly take back my previous comments, it's not really the crazy acrobatics that bother me so much, it's the fact that the entire fight looked fake from start to finish.

By Ragnarok Flames Go To PostI'm vaguely nihilistic about games I like. Seriously, I try to have no expectations and I am incredibly passionate about stuff which leads to very polarizing opinions. Suffice to say, its a talent that has been fostered by years of being let down. I mean shit I got a Fallout tattoo and am planning a Halo piece. I love these fucking games man. And that's why I'm so set in my opinions.

Fair enough.

I absolutely love Halo and I'm very passionate about it too. I just find that the majority of issues are things I can easy let slide. For some reason this cutscene really bothers me though.

By FirestormGaming Go To PostThat's just racist.
Just kidding, but what has Locke done to be worse than Palmer other than existing?is it because 343i created him?

Just look at him and listen. He's so robotic and stoic faced like he he's afraid to show any emotion. All of his lines are campy sounding one liners.

Everything we have seen him in he acts like that... nightfall, Halo 2 anniversary, campaign demo, and now this.

It makes me cringe.

Goodness I can't stop watching it.

By Wesleyshark Go To PostGoodness I can't stop watching it.

Destiny target demographic confirmed ;)

I also liked some of the subtle little character interactions in this, like Locke / Buck's back-and-forth with the drinks, but then that little smile they shared when they were trading off helmets. I don't know if Tanaka is actually religious, mind you, but it's not uncommon for Spartans - and I liked that Buck was the one to answer her, considering he'd dealt with Mickey for a while prior.

"Why don't we ever see the Spartans do the badass stuff they can do in the books?
*Opening cinematic shows Spartans doing stuff they can do in the books
"Jesus why is this so over the top!?"

I don't get some of you

By Wahrer Go To PostI also liked some of the subtle little character interactions in this, like Locke / Buck's back-and-forth with the drinks, but then that little smile they shared when they were trading off helmets.

:D

I found the religion lines slightly odd.


With the current decline in religion, it seems strange that it'd still be around in 540 years. Well, Christianity at least.

This isn't a complaint by the way, just something I wondered about.

By jem Go To PostI found the religion lines slightly odd.


With the current decline in religion, it seems strange that it'd still be around in 540 years. Well, Christianity at least.

This isn't a complaint by the way, just something I wondered about.

Religion isn't really declining. It's just becoming more socially acceptable to not fancy religion.

By Potato Go To Post"Why don't we ever see the Spartans do the badass stuff they can do in the books?
*Opening cinematic shows Spartans doing stuff they can do in the books
"Jesus why is this so over the top!?"

I don't get some of you

If I could like this I would.

MY favorite part of the trailer is the dialogue in flight (1:51 in the video). I know it's just a role check but there's a lot going on that is great on the second time around watching.

Locke calls for a COM check and Tanaka shoulder charges through a Banshee's wing (even get the shield recharge), followed by "COM's fine Locke." Then we get a slow pan from left to right, highlighting each character as they check in. Really great stuff.

You can even see each characters personality by the way they fly.

I mean Locke is flying with such focus.

By jem Go To PostI found the religion lines slightly odd.

With the current decline in religion, it seems strange that it'd still be around in 540 years. Well, Christianity at least.

This isn't a complaint by the way, just something I wondered about.

I think the opposite has been happening.

And I liked the religion lines. Subjective and such :p

By Lord of Admirals Go To PostReligion isn't really declining. It's just becoming more socially acceptable to not fancy religion.

If I could like this I would.

Really?

Everything I've read indicates that the number of people who identify as unaffiliated with religion has been increasing fairly rapidly.

Personally I know maybe two or three people around my age who are actually religious.

I know a lot more people of faith than I do who don't believe in anything.

By jem Go To PostI found the religion lines slightly odd.


With the current decline in religion, it seems strange that it'd still be around in 540 years. Well, Christianity at least.

This isn't a complaint by the way, just something I wondered about.

Religion's been in Halo since the beginning, though. While it's most obvious in its scary dogmatic Covenant stuff, Halo's done a really good job of not demonizing religion in its entirety and showing it has plenty of healthy outlets - the Covenant just happened to use religion as means to an end in order to veil decades of political corruption. Several of the Spartan-IIs practice Zen Buddhism, Marines (Johnson included) have mentioned God frequently, Mickey's a space trucker and presumably a Space Christian, and Johnson's grandmother practiced some fictional form of Protestantism. Chances are over the centuries it just altered itself accordingly as science marched on and became more generally inclusive (considering Halo more or less takes place in a post-racial society, at least as far as humans go), and you also have to consider that colonies that were populated predominantly by a single nation likely had religious resurgences based on national identity expanding, as well. Religion can also be a means of solace for people and help with having a sense of community, and, well - considering Tanaka grew up having to survive nuclear winter on her home planet as a result of it being glassed - it makes sense, to some extent.

EDIT: Also, "being religious" doesn't require you to be some bible-thumping, blindly pious lunatic. It's completely normal to practice religion in mild ways without having it dominate your life.

By jem Go To PostReally?

Everything I've read indicates that the number of people who identify as unaffiliated with religion has been increasing fairly rapidly.

Personally I know maybe two or three people around my age who are actually religious.

Yeah, I agree with you. In 500 years with all the fancy science and technology, you'd think they'd know the truth. Oh wait, no I didn't mean to say that. Everybody shut up before this gets out of hand!

By Wahrer Go To PostReligion's been in Halo since the beginning, though. While it's most obvious in its scary dogmatic Covenant stuff, Halo's done a really good job of not demonizing religion in its entirety and showing it has plenty of healthy outlets - the Covenant just happened to use religion as means to an end in order to veil decades of political corruption. Several of the Spartan-IIs practice Zen Buddhism, Marines (Johnson included) have mentioned God frequently, Mickey's a space trucker and presumably a Space Christian, and Johnson's grandmother practiced some fictional form of Protestantism. Chances are over the centuries it just altered itself accordingly as science marched on and became more generally inclusive (considering Halo more or less takes place in a post-racial society, at least as far as humans go), and you also have to consider that colonies that were populated predominantly by a single nation likely had religious resurgences based on national identity expanding, as well. Religion can also be a means of solace for people and help with having a sense of community, and, well - considering Tanaka grew up having to survive nuclear winter on her home planet as a result of it being glassed - it makes sense, to some extent.

#BasedWahrer

The snow looked good. And so did everything else.

Now that that's out of the way, Forge pls? Or a new ViDoc? The Sprint? Anything more than eye candy?

I didn't see it as religious, more of a cultural thing. You don't have to believe in a god to joke about such things, and we know from other fiction that Christianity, Islam, and Buddhism are still around at this time (Buddhism, particularly Zen, is particularly popular among AI).

By Potato Go To Post"Why don't we ever see the Spartans do the badass stuff they can do in the books?
*Opening cinematic shows Spartans doing stuff they can do in the books
"Jesus why is this so over the top!?"

I don't get some of you

Basically. That's what they're supposed to do.

it was great but it felt off a little- I think some of the effects needed some more "kick" to them, like the ground pound.

By Wesleyshark Go To PostI think the opposite has been happening.

And I liked the religion lines. Subjective and such :p

Nope, at least not in the west:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/05/12/christianity-faces-sharp-decline-as-americans-are-becoming-even-less-affiliated-with-religion/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-33256561

By Wahrer Go To PostReligion's been in Halo since the beginning, though. While it's most obvious in its scary dogmatic Covenant stuff, Halo's done a really good job of not demonizing religion in its entirety and showing it has plenty of healthy outlets - the Covenant just happened to use religion as means to an end in order to veil decades of political corruption. Several of the Spartan-IIs practice Zen Buddhism, Marines (Johnson included) have mentioned God frequently, Mickey's a space trucker and presumably a Space Christian, and Johnson's grandmother practiced some fictional form of Protestantism. Chances are over the centuries it just altered itself accordingly as science marched on and became more generally inclusive (considering Halo more or less takes place in a post-racial society, at least as far as humans go), and you also have to consider that colonies that were populated predominantly by a single nation likely had religious resurgences based on national identity expanding, as well. Religion can also be a means of solace for people and help with having a sense of community, and, well - considering Tanaka grew up having to survive nuclear winter on her home planet as a result of it being glassed - it makes sense, to some extent.

EDIT: Also, "being religious" doesn't require you to be some bible-thumping, blindly pious lunatic. It's completely normal to practice religion in mild ways without having it dominate your life.

I'm not complaining about it and I know Halo has always had lots of religion in it, I've just always thought it a bit odd and I picked up on it in the trailer.

How did you feel about Mickey? Or Johnson? Or Palmer in the multiplayer intro, for that matter?

By Wahrer Go To PostHow did you feel about Mickey? Or Johnson? Or Palmer in the multiplayer intro, for that matter?

Like I said, I've always thought it a bit odd. Just never really commented on it before.

By Cliq Go To PostAlright, everyone that enjoyed the trailer, let's leave for a few hours so the saltys can vomit together.

We'll come back after you've cleaned.

Thanks

I'm looking salt and I liked it. In the same turn off my brain action movie way that I liked avengers 2. But just because people are critical of the trailer doesn't mean they disliked it. Take your bullshit out of here.

Part of what really sucked me into the lore of Halo at first were it's play with Biblical and other religious themes. Obviously that draw deepened for many reasons, but that was a pretty major one. It had depth and meaning and history. It didn't feel shallow or half-baked. There was a lot of time spent on crafting something that felt real. For a fictional universe, it felt very much like something that could be our own future, in how humanity had reached the stars but hadn't abandoned its roots.

Halo having religious undertones and commentary is to be expected. No problem with that. The entire concept is based in religious metaphor, commentary, and allegory. Let's be honest. The dialogue and characters are designed to resonate with the target audience, in this case, mostly the US (sorry rest of the world, mates). Whether that would be an accurate view of humanity 500 years in the future is highly unlikely, but it's not a huge deal.

What I've found to be a much bigger sin (to use a religious term) is the whole 'egghead' bullshit. I'm hoping 343 has pulled back on this incredibly unlikely attitude for an advanced society since H4->K5's ridiculousness. Appealing to your audience's ~70% (ish) religious affiliation is somewhat acceptable to create likable characters. Appealing to the lowest common denominator with the anti-science, "fuck the eggheads," "who needs engineers?" bullshit is entirely not needed. In a society that has cured cancer, has interstellar travel, colonizes planets, and fights aliens, the idea that scientists are a joke to the military of the time is just stupid. However, Palmer's continued existence in the canon gives me little...wait for it...faith.

Palmer and Locke fight to the death. Whoever wins, gets to be alive in canon.

By Ragnarok Flames Go To PostPalmer and Locke fight to the death. Whoever wins, gets to be alive in canon.

Winner to be determined by eggheaded Lifeboat Rules.

All the religious parallels do nothing for me.

Then again I didn't even know they existed until someone made a post about it on GAF.

Well that trailer was amazing