Confederate Flags Fly At First NASCAR Event Since It's Ban
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Story @ Associated Press
As you would expect defenders of the confederate flag don't know shit about dick when it comes to history:
NASCAR took a stance on the Confederate flag after last month's South Carolina church massacre. It backed Gov. Nikki Haley's call to remove it from the Statehouse grounds and noted it doesn't allow the flag on anything it sanctions. The series stopped short of banning fans from displaying the flag at its events, but Daytona and 29 other tracks asked fans to refrain from flying them.
Not everyone obliged. Daytona also offered to exchange Confederate flags for American flags this weekend, and track officials said a few made the swap Sunday morning.
"I think the voluntary exchange program for us right now was appropriate with the limited window that we had coming into this event weekend," track president Joie Chitwood said. "And more importantly, I think it's important to trust our fans, asking our fans to display a flag that we should all be proud of. Everybody should be proud of the American flag."
Indeed, the American flag is prominently displayed all around Daytona — no surprise given the Fourth of July holiday and the patriotism that NASCAR routinely promotes.
But spotting a Confederate flag is easier than finding a souvenir shop, restroom or beer stand.
As you would expect defenders of the confederate flag don't know shit about dick when it comes to history:
"The Confederate flag has absolutely nothing to do with slavery. It has nothing to do with divisiveness. It has nothing to do with any of that," Rebenstorf said, pausing for a few minutes to pull off his floppy hat, stand at attention and salute during the national anthem Saturday. "It was just a battle banner until the Ku Klux Klan draped it around themselves. Now, all of a sudden, it represents slavery and that's not at all true."
Haha, so what does the Confederate flag stand for, then? Losing a war (that was entirely about slavery, incidentally) by an embarrassing margin? Why would you want a losers' flag at a sporting event?
while i tend to agree the confederate flag doesn't symbolize racism, it has no place in this country, whether its a government building or being hung in a private home. if you really want to be patriotic, hang the american flag.
By Sharp Go To PostHaha, so what does the Confederate flag stand for, then? Losing a war (that was entirely about slavery, incidentally) by an embarrassing margin? Why would you want a losers' flag at a sporting event?
and potentially seceding.
By K@do Go To Postwhile i tend to agree the confederate flag doesn't symbolize racism, it has no place in this country, whether its a government building or being hung in a private home. if you really want to be patriotic, hang the american flag.
I fully disagree... outside of a burning cross, white hoods, and nazi nothing embodies racism more than the old stars and bars
I don't understand how a flag in support of a movement to keep a race enslaved isn't the very symbol of racism.
By blackace Go To PostI fully disagree… outside of a burning cross, white hoods, and nazi nothing embodies racism more than the old stars and barsjust because they use that flag in their cross burning meetings, doesn't mean they own it.
I can easily argue they hijacked it, which they did.
But i i agree with you though, when i see that flag, i can't help but feel that person is a racist.
By K@do Go To Postjust because they use that flag in their cross burning meetings, doesn't mean they own it.I guess at the least they could be in complete denial and or ignorant of the history of what that flag represents but that's still a stretch.
But i i agree with you though, when i see that flag, i can't help but feel that person is a racist.
KKK didn't need to hijack the origins of a flag already entrenched in racism. The south seceded in order to keep the very worst element of racism: the enslavement of a group of people.
By K@do Go To Postjust because they use that flag in their cross burning meetings, doesn't mean they own it.
But i i agree with you though, when i see that flag, i can't help but feel that person is a racist.
yes they do because they made it. Stars and bars was made for the civil war to fight to keep slavery... has little to do with heritage unless you count owning humans heritage
By blackace Go To Postyes they do because they made it. Stars and bars was made for the civil war to fight to keep slavery… has little to do with heritage unless you count owning humans heritagegood point. I remember teachers in High school teaching us that the Civil war wasn't about slavery, but about cotton.
By DY_nasty Go To Posti meanshit, can't argue with this really.
the guy who made the flag literally refers to it as the white mans flag lol
By DY_nasty Go To Posti mean
the guy who made the flag literally refers to it as the white mans flag lol
the KKK was started by guys like Nathan Forrest... who shockingly was a Lt. Gen in the confederate army
By K@do Go To Postgood point. I remember teachers in High school teaching us that the Civil war wasn't about slavery, but about cotton.
shit, can't argue with this really.
well cotton picked by free labor. what they don't teach is slaves were the most precious commodity in the world
By K@do Go To Postgood point. I remember teachers in High school teaching us that the Civil war wasn't about slavery, but about cotton.That's a nice bit of historical revisionism but not uncommon. Pretend the Civil War was about economic disagreements, which technically it was, because slavery is essentially the cheapest labor there is and a nice permanent under class the people who don't own 'em. But slavery is basically backed by an uglier justification, some kind of bigotry.
Slaves were basically the fossil fuel of the south.
The abolishment of slavery would have (and did) crippled the south economically and prohibiting its expansion westward threatened to take away the political influence of the slave states.
That is why they fought and why the flag exists. Both were 100% about preserving slavery as an institution in the south
The abolishment of slavery would have (and did) crippled the south economically and prohibiting its expansion westward threatened to take away the political influence of the slave states.
That is why they fought and why the flag exists. Both were 100% about preserving slavery as an institution in the south
By jWILL253 Go To PostAfter all the threads we had on this subject…
Fuckouttahere, Kado.
naw it's why we talk...
Apologies... it's just that, personally, my sympathy & patience for the uninitiated has dwindled a bit in regards to this topic.
So many threads, posts, articles, news pieces & videos on the subject of why the Rebel Flag is a symbol of racism, that it's hard to STILL see people go "I don't think it's about racism".
So many threads, posts, articles, news pieces & videos on the subject of why the Rebel Flag is a symbol of racism, that it's hard to STILL see people go "I don't think it's about racism".
well to be fair for some people some of the people who defend might not be racist just ignorant of it's roots
By jWILL253 Go To PostApologies… it's just that, personally, my sympathy & patience for the uninitiated has dwindled a bit in regards to this topic.its fine, but we've talked about watching our tone and rhetoric when it comes to certain topics.
So many threads, posts, articles, news pieces & videos on the subject of why the Rebel Flag is a symbol of racism, that it's hard to STILL see people go "I don't think it's about racism".
Like its cool to joke around in a sports related thread, and other lighthearted topics, but when it comes to Race, religion, politics, we have agreed to make sure to keep the tone level headed.
with that said, im a bit sensitive to this topic myself as im not white living in this country and have experienced racism myself as well.
Here's my thing, there's enough people out there declaring that x, y and z cannot possibly be racist, sexist and or homophobic. Maybe instead of keeping with the status quo investigate for yourself why a flag, symbol, cartoon, whatever the hell could possibly be seen in such a way. There's a lot of casual or accepted bigotry out there and no one really wins out on people ignoring it for their or someone else's convenience.
yeah for example, i always found it odd that dukes of hazzard has been on air for over 30yrs, yet no one complained about it til now.
By K@do Go To Postyeah for example, i always found it odd that dukes of hazzard has been on air for over 30yrs, yet no one complained about it til now.
It's more like you just started hearing the complaints. That's usually the case when someone says some shit about PC sensitivity popping up out of nowhere, it's not very likely out of nowhere you just had the privilege to not have to really think/talk about it
i mean im sure people have complained about it, but IIRC, its has never been a national topic to stop airing the show, its never been front page nes worthy. like DB said, it felt like an accepted bigotry and i found it quite bizarre.
By K@do Go To Posti mean im sure people have complained about it, but IIRC, its has never been a national topic to stop airing the show, its never been front page nes worthy. like DB said, it felt like an accepted bigotry and i found it quite bizarre.I love classic films, film noir, etc but there is always something in there to make me cringe because they're also a product of their time.
By Retro Go To PostSlaves were basically the fossil fuel of the south.They would have lost political influence, sure, but a good deal of the economic damage was done by Union occupation for many years after the war--a direct result of the formation of the Confederacy. The Confederacy ended up harming the South in ways it still hasn't recovered from. Again, making it a really fucking weird symbol to cherish if you're from an affected state.
The abolishment of slavery would have (and did) crippled the south economically and prohibiting its expansion westward threatened to take away the political influence of the slave states.
That is why they fought and why the flag exists. Both were 100% about preserving slavery as an institution in the south
By K@do Go To Postgood point. I remember teachers in High school teaching us that the Civil war wasn't about slavery, but about cotton.are you for real? I've read that the Civil War gets taught differently in certain parts of the country but here in NY we were always taught that it was over slavery.
never really understood how it could be taught differently. don't we all use the same shitty, overpriced textbooks?
By Omega Go To Postare you for real? I've read that the Civil War gets taught differently in certain parts of the country but here in NY we were always taught that it was over slavery.Nah you'll get a lot of "state's rights" never mind that the whole disagreement over "states rights" was the right of a state to own and sell people and they weren't happy with the federal government telling them "no."
never really understood how it could be taught differently. don't we all use the same shitty, overpriced textbooks?
By Omega Go To Postare you for real? I've read that the Civil War gets taught differently in certain parts of the country but here in NY we were always taught that it was over slavery.
never really understood how it could be taught differently. don't we all use the same shitty, overpriced textbooks?
Nope.
Some states like Texas force schools to use textbooks that whitewash American history & passively teach religion.
By db Go To PostNah you'll get a lot of "state's rights" never mind that the whole disagreement over "states rights" was the right of a state to own and sell people and they weren't happy with the federal government telling them "no."It wasn't even about states' rights to own slaves. It was *against* states' rights--namely, the rights of other states not to participate in fugitive slave laws. The seceding states had no problems with the federal government on this, since it was actually a strong advocate of enforcing them. Basically, everything about that justification of the Civil War makes no sense.
By Sharp Go To PostIt wasn't even about states' rights to own slaves. It was *against* states' rights–namely, the rights of other states not to participate in fugitive slave laws. The seceding states had no problems with the federal government on this, since it was actually a strong advocate of enforcing them. Basically, everything about that justification of the Civil War makes no sense.
Either way the South for a while now has managed to be a strong case for federalism in spite of itself.
By Omega Go To Postare you for real? I've read that the Civil War gets taught differently in certain parts of the country but here in NY we were always taught that it was over slavery.yeah, Los Angeles Unified School District of all places.
never really understood how it could be taught differently. don't we all use the same shitty, overpriced textbooks?
IIRC, they were teaching that the civil war was fought over industry firs and foremost and that slavery was secondary.
By K@do Go To Postyeah, Los Angeles Unified School District of all places.Hey you also got the LAPD so...
By K@do Go To Postyeah, Los Angeles Unified School District of all places.
IIRC, they were teaching that the civil war was fought over industry firs and foremost and that slavery was secondary.
It's true
some schools do take that.....approch to the topic.
