By reilo Go To Post:areyoukiddingme:To some credit, his Uncle came out and said he warned his parents the kid is fucked up in the head. Someone knew something was off.
That chart is so sad. :(
By dark_prinny Go To PostI know, this is not the case but it's certainly related somehow. Gun culture just makes a toxic environment all around.
At the end of the day right wing terrorists use whatever means they can whether that's bullets, fires or bombs.
Talking about anything aside from the motivation of these acts is just burying them once again.
Relevant Onion article
‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens
‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens
ISLA VISTA, CA—In the days following a violent rampage in southern California in which a lone attacker killed seven individuals, including himself, and seriously injured over a dozen others, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded Tuesday that there was no way to prevent the massacre from taking place. “This was a terrible tragedy, but sometimes these things just happen and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop them,” said North Carolina resident Samuel Wipper, echoing sentiments expressed by tens of millions of individuals who reside in a nation where over half of the world’s deadliest mass shootings have occurred in the past 50 years and whose citizens are 20 times more likely to die of gun violence than those of other developed nations. “It’s a shame, but what can we do? There really wasn’t anything that was going to keep this guy from snapping and killing a lot of people if that’s what he really wanted.” At press time, residents of the only economically advanced nation in the world where roughly two mass shootings have occurred every month for the past five years were referring to themselves and their situation as “helpless.”
Shit is tiring...like we can't even be safe in church.
And watching the media troll black people hard with this is really frustrating
And watching the media troll black people hard with this is really frustrating
By Labor Go To PostShit is tiring…like we can't even be safe in church.
And watching the media troll black people hard with this is really frustrating
What is the media saying?
By MagusKen Go To PostWhat is the media saying?
The usual, lone wolf, mental illness, not about race
anyway, Jon Stewart goes in
http://uproxx.com/tv/2015/06/video-jon-stewart-charleston-statement-daily-show/
By Labor Go To PostThe usual, lone wolf, mental illness, not about race
anyway, Jon Stewart goes in
http://uproxx.com/tv/2015/06/video-jon-stewart-charleston-statement-daily-show/
1.) Ah, so S.O.S from the usual suspects. Damn shame
2.) He did, I'ma miss him.
Larry Williams also chimed in with a few words as well. But Stewart brought up my main beef with this shit: NOTHING.GETS.SOLVED.WHEN.THIS SHIT.HAPPENDS
By db Go To PostThere's a time to talk about guns but we're discussing an act of racially motivated terrorism that has been done with fire and bombs. Access to guns for just about anyone, an issue sure, but right wing terrorists are just as content blowing shit up.
Of course they are just one part of the situation, but you can't deny that they play a big part in the grand scheme of mass murderings...
Simply because those guns are a tool of murdering and just give a far easier solution to murder people...
I'm an outsider towards your politics and life in general, but it's an issue that's pretty much visible to anyone and living somewhere else gives me a good opportunity to compare those things.
We had like 3 events of bigger murders throughout the last 15 years.
Two of them were a mass shootings at a school, both of the perpetrators were social outcasts that let their hate for society and their former school/classmates take over.
The other case is what I already mentioned, a group of neo nazis killing immigrants and a police officer over a time of 10 years.
In case of the mass shootings they obtained their weapons leagally through huntsman licenses, and believe me our gun laws are more strict than in the US.
My point is, we had other events where people tried to go on a murder spree with a molotov cocktail, an axe and a knife.
Luckily no one died, even though some were hurt badly...This was obviously not a given and more people could haven been hurt or someone could have been killed.
Still it's far more difficult to kill people without a gun and the option gun alone, is something that pushes people over the edge.
As I said though, this is just one big part of this whole fuck up.
I guess you know it better than I do, but especially as someone who just sees the US from far away, it's mesmerizing how the US celebrates their own history how white people still cling onto their own indoctrination of their own superiority.
How insecure they are about themselves, how they are still looking at role models and paroles of the past.
How the media, despite trying to spin the discussion into a certain way is still so freaking powerful.
Seriously, you get the feeling that some people think they are still in the fucking wild west...
The US really needs to grow up and stop cling themselves onto the past and stop glorify themselves and certain individuals.
Patriotism is fine, but the own insecurity of the own identiy as a nation is a major issue, and nothing else is happening in the US.
Being humble is certainly a stance that more people should adept to...
Something I can't see as outsider is the education.
How the US handles their past via education is something I don't know.
Racism isn't exclusive to the US, but it's pretty scary how many violent acts of racism happen and the table on the first page is really disgusting...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/16th_Street_Baptist_Church_bombing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vernon_Dahmer#Murder_and_suspects
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_T._Moore#Murder
http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Tarrants#Klan_bomber
http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/jmd/legacy/2014/06/03/hear-98-1996.pdf
I'm just of the opinion guns shouldn't overshadow a long entrenched problem. This country has long turned to any other issue before the one of race.
Easy access to a gun was secondary to the primary issue of this dude's hate for black people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vernon_Dahmer#Murder_and_suspects
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_T._Moore#Murder
http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Tarrants#Klan_bomber
http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/jmd/legacy/2014/06/03/hear-98-1996.pdf
I'm just of the opinion guns shouldn't overshadow a long entrenched problem. This country has long turned to any other issue before the one of race.
Easy access to a gun was secondary to the primary issue of this dude's hate for black people.
From an outsider's perspective, the US is genuinely fucking disgusting. And I'm sorry to all you cool guys that live there, and I'm sure the majority of the experience of living there is fine, but there's fundamental flaws that make the country the fucking crazy hotpot it is.
Saw a tweet yesterday that said "America is still a country that congratulates itself for "freeing the slaves", with no sense of irony."
I mean... The self-perpetuated myth of the land of the free and the great cultural melting pot has now become somewhere where people are being routinely murdered because of the colour of their skin. This shit was supposed to have stopped in the 60s, and it seems worse than ever.
Society's going backwards. People want to break into more groups, be defined for more things - genders, transgenders, fluctuating sexualities, civil movements and -isms that make them out to be militants, races and religions and denominations of all of them - , and we're all fractured as fuck when the entire purpose of civil rights is to make us all equal. Got minorities thinking they should be elevated above everyone else, got small minded people looking to keep everyone below them, and then you guys - Americans - have the most deplorable media I could possibly imagine, with some of the most ludicrous laws concerning guns.
I do honestly feel sorry for you guys, I really do.
Rest in peace to those that died; unfortunately their names will be rendered completely irrelevant while people argue about whether this was a hate crime, and whether the gun laws ars okay; and other white guys go out and commit similar crimes, and black guys want revenge and retribution, and police officers walk around firing at anything that's dark and moves.
Really quite fed up of the 21st century.
Saw a tweet yesterday that said "America is still a country that congratulates itself for "freeing the slaves", with no sense of irony."
I mean... The self-perpetuated myth of the land of the free and the great cultural melting pot has now become somewhere where people are being routinely murdered because of the colour of their skin. This shit was supposed to have stopped in the 60s, and it seems worse than ever.
Society's going backwards. People want to break into more groups, be defined for more things - genders, transgenders, fluctuating sexualities, civil movements and -isms that make them out to be militants, races and religions and denominations of all of them - , and we're all fractured as fuck when the entire purpose of civil rights is to make us all equal. Got minorities thinking they should be elevated above everyone else, got small minded people looking to keep everyone below them, and then you guys - Americans - have the most deplorable media I could possibly imagine, with some of the most ludicrous laws concerning guns.
I do honestly feel sorry for you guys, I really do.
Rest in peace to those that died; unfortunately their names will be rendered completely irrelevant while people argue about whether this was a hate crime, and whether the gun laws ars okay; and other white guys go out and commit similar crimes, and black guys want revenge and retribution, and police officers walk around firing at anything that's dark and moves.
Really quite fed up of the 21st century.
By nate Go To PostSociety's going backwards. People want to break into more groups, be defined for more things - genders, transgenders, fluctuating sexualities, civil movements and -isms that make them out to be militants, races and religions and denominations of all of them - , and we're all fractured as fuck
https://books.google.com.au/books?id=KY8pAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA40&lpg=PA40&dq=bromwich+a+dissent+on+cultural+identity&source=bl&ots=Gzd5mHYJRk&sig=jGMfGWyIQsf4TFTCDMEwOBy1yvI&hl=en&sa=X&ei=avODVangGojpmQWpjY74DA&ved=0CEcQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=bromwich%20a%20dissent%20on%20cultural%20identity&f=false
Good reading (Bromwich is always astoundingly good reading) on this.
You don't get societal progression by looking past the differences in people. You do it by recognizing that people are in fact different, don't get treated as fairly as others, and by correcting the mistakes to level the treatment and playing field of everyone involved, and ultimately, being okay with everyone's differences. You call it a type of segregation and isolation. It's the constant creation of individuality and groups that are created from a lack of positive normality and fairness. What it actually is, is people tired of not being treated...well, to be frank, human, realizing that you get more shit done when you're banding together to push a cause, instead of relying on whatever pie-in-the-sky piece of narrative, that is, "there are no colors, ideas of evil men will die out, see look we put one woman in a video game and everything is equal now, blah blah blah," (that holds no weight to them in reality) and whatever sense of normalcy that comes with that train of thought.
You don't become a perfect society, by ignoring the weeds that pop up everywhere and put a drain on your garden. No gardener ever was like, "well...the weeds are plants too," when trying to grow shit.
You don't become a perfect society, by ignoring the weeds that pop up everywhere and put a drain on your garden. No gardener ever was like, "well...the weeds are plants too," when trying to grow shit.
I heard yesterday that dudes (most likely) psychopathic roommate said he's been planning this for 6 months. Well fuck you too then. He needs to be thrown in the jail house too for knowing and failing to alert authorities.
I really wish they would've shot him dead, but we know how that goes. Nobody needs to hear with this deranged individual has to say. Nobody needs to peek into his disturbing mind. But we do have to pay to keep his ass alive and fed. Fuck him. Only hope is that a lifer some how gets him within the next few years.
Got me pre planning a move to Toronto or some shit. Bail the fuck out of this country.
I really wish they would've shot him dead, but we know how that goes. Nobody needs to hear with this deranged individual has to say. Nobody needs to peek into his disturbing mind. But we do have to pay to keep his ass alive and fed. Fuck him. Only hope is that a lifer some how gets him within the next few years.
Got me pre planning a move to Toronto or some shit. Bail the fuck out of this country.
The WSJ's editorial board (and the WSJ is probably the biggest "respectable" news outlet in America) denied racism existed and that only mental illness and impossible to comprehend evil caused this.
I hope their computers catch on fire.
I hope their computers catch on fire.
By Smokey Go To PostI heard yesterday that dudes (most likely) psychopathic roommate said he's been planning this for 6 months. Well fuck you too then. He needs to be thrown in the jail house too for knowing and failing to alert authorities.What do you think Canada would provide that the U.S. wouldnt?
I really wish they would've shot him dead, but we know how that goes. Nobody needs to hear with this deranged individual has to say. Nobody needs to peek into his disturbing mind. But we do have to pay to keep his ass alive and fed. Fuck him. Only hope is that a lifer some how gets him within the next few years.
Got me pre planning a move to Toronto or some shit. Bail the fuck out of this country.
By Smokey Go To PostI heard yesterday that dudes (most likely) psychopathic roommate said he's been planning this for 6 months. Well fuck you too then. He needs to be thrown in the jail house too for knowing and failing to alert authorities.It's amazing that the police managed to apprehend him without a single showing of force, yet they'll break an NBA players leg if he's just walking by.
I really wish they would've shot him dead, but we know how that goes. Nobody needs to hear with this deranged individual has to say. Nobody needs to peek into his disturbing mind. But we do have to pay to keep his ass alive and fed. Fuck him. Only hope is that a lifer some how gets him within the next few years.
Got me pre planning a move to Toronto or some shit. Bail the fuck out of this country.
By IWMTB19 Go To PostThe WSJ's editorial board (and the WSJ is probably the biggest "respectable" news outlet in America) denied racism existed and that only mental illness and impossible to comprehend evil caused this.You could argue that racism is a form of mental illness
I hope their computers catch on fire.
I just cannot fucking fathom how anyone can hate a human being over their skin tone or made up 'religions'. What a fucking MAD world we live in
By diehard Go To PostWhat do you think Canada would provide that the U.S. wouldnt?A better sense of security. I don't blame anyone who wants to leave this country. Been planning my departure for the past 5 years.
Rick Perry is a giant pulsating mound of shit
Video
“This is the (modus operandi) of this administration, any time there is an accident like this,” Perry said. “The president is clear, he doesn’t like for Americans to have guns and so he uses every opportunity, this being another one, to basically go parrot that message.”
“I don’t know, but I think the facts, once we get them – there were more people than that killed in Paris,” he said, stalling first and then changing the subject to the Charlie Hebdo attacks, which claimed 12 lives. “This was a crime of hate – we know that.”
He then changed the subject to prescription drug use – which he said may have been to blame for the massacre.
“It seems to me, again without having all the details about this, that these individuals have been medicated and there may be a real issue in this country from the standpoint of these drugs and how they’re used,”
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By DY_nasty Go To PostA better sense of security. I don't blame anyone who wants to leave this country. Been planning my departure for the past 5 years.This country is fucking huge with widely varying economic situations. I live in the US and where i live is statistically more safe than Canada.
The thought should be "i need to move some place safer" not "I hear bad things about a country of 320 million so i should leave". I mean its fine i guess, im just trying to understand it.
By diehard Go To PostThis country is fucking huge with widely varying economic situations. I live in the US and where i live is statistically more safe than Canada.That's quite a bit of lack of perspective on your part, tbh.
The thought should be "i need to move some place safer" not "I hear bad things about a country of 320 million so i should leave". I mean its fine i guess, im just trying to understand it.
By diehard Go To Postwhere i live is statistically more safe than Canada.
Safer for whom.
And we're not even touching the issue of just flat out racism that's dealt with on a consistent basis.
Republicans have the most to lose if they are forced to admit this country has a huge race problem, especially considering a bunch of them profit from institutionalized racism.
By diehard Go To PostThis country is fucking huge with widely varying economic situations. I live in the US and where i live is statistically more safe than Canada.
The thought should be "i need to move some place safer" not "I hear bad things about a country of 320 million so i should leave". I mean its fine i guess, im just trying to understand it.
What a silly post.
I was gonna come back with statistics and crap but its clear we are in emotional territory and it wouldnt be of any use.
By diehard Go To PostI was gonna come back with statistics and crap but its clear we are in emotional territory and it wouldnt be of any use.No, please share them.
By diehard Go To PostI was gonna come back with statistics and crap but its clear we are in emotional territory and it wouldnt be of any use.
9 Black people were shot after they opened their doors to let Dyllan Roof come study the Bible with them.
You damn right this is emotional. Either pop your personal bubble, or join the rest of the whitewashers in the bushes.
Racism is entrenched in American society. It's sewn into the fabric of employment, the justice system, and day to day interactions.
Anyone who hand waves that fact is part of the fucking problem.
Anyone who hand waves that fact is part of the fucking problem.
If you're going to advocate that a third of the American population relocate to escape racism...you should see the problem in that.
Plus he's dismissing the possibility of what could (would?) happen if they did such a thing.
Say, hypothetically, there was a mass transition of black people to Utah. Are we to assume that black people would be treated equally and the state would not see any racism or backlash? Because if we were to just look back less than 30 years ago about what the LDS thought about having black people as deacons, then, well.... Not a good look, right?
Say, hypothetically, there was a mass transition of black people to Utah. Are we to assume that black people would be treated equally and the state would not see any racism or backlash? Because if we were to just look back less than 30 years ago about what the LDS thought about having black people as deacons, then, well.... Not a good look, right?
diehard can speak for himself, but I don't think he's advocating a relocation that specific.
He just said 'somewhere safer'; still, responding to people feeling upset and worried about systemic racism in form of violence perpetrated against them with 'move' is naive to say the least.
He just said 'somewhere safer'; still, responding to people feeling upset and worried about systemic racism in form of violence perpetrated against them with 'move' is naive to say the least.
Left the East Coast for a reason. Kinda nice to be in a place that isn't actively constantly shitting on black people. They shit on other people here, blacks too, but nothing close to the stuff that's "normal" back home.
By Morzingis Go To Postdiehard can speak for himself, but I don't think he's advocating a relocation that specific.But black people did move somewhere "safer" before, during, and after the slavery ended: the North and the West. They were actually welcomed there and they still couldn't escape institutionalized racism from government, private institutions and the general populace.
He just said 'somewhere safer'; still, responding to people feeling upset and worried about systemic racism in form of violence perpetrated against them with 'move' is naive to say the least.
Let's be realistic here, this problem isn't unique to just states that wave a confederate flag. It's the entire country.
By DY_nasty Go To PostLeft the East Coast for a reason. Kinda nice to be in a place that isn't actively constantly shitting on black people. They shit on other people here, blacks too, but nothing close to the stuff that's "normal" back home.I mean, yea, black people have been migrating to less racist areas for centuries now, but the problems still persist.
Plus, black people didn't exactly voluntarily move to what we call North America today to begin with...
Whatever state you move to you're dealing with the same justice system, the same media, the same employment parlor tricks and the same prejudices. The only thing you can really do is find a place that's less shitty than somewhere else when it comes to these things. Hedging your bets on "where's the least racist place to be in the nation" is a fucked situation from the jump.
By db Go To PostRacism is entrenched in American society. It's sewn into the fabric of employment, the justice system, and day to day interactions.Racism is entrenched in the world's society, not just America.
Anyone who hand waves that fact is part of the fucking problem.
By Morzingis Go To PostIf you're going to advocate that a third of the American population relocate to escape racism…you should see the problem in that.I'm not. I was just addressing the issue that Canada would be an answer to this, when statistically its still not the shining beacon of safety and equality.
By reilo Go To PostPlus he's dismissing the possibility of what could (would?) happen if they did such a thing.Why does this logic apply to Utah but not Canada?
Say, hypothetically, there was a mass transition of black people to Utah. Are we to assume that black people would be treated equally and the state would not see any racism or backlash? Because if we were to just look back less than 30 years ago about what the LDS thought about having black people as deacons, then, well…. Not a good look, right?
By diehard Go To PostRacism is entrenched in the world's society, not just America.
This is so fucking glib and obtuse. Is that really your response? This naivete about "well it's shitty everywhere!"
By reilo Go To PostBut black people did move somewhere "safer" before, during, and after the slavery ended: the North and the West. They were actually welcomed there and they still couldn't escape institutionalized racism from government, private institutions and the general populace.
Let's be realistic here, this problem isn't unique to just states that wave a confederate flag. It's the entire country.
I know, I just think 'move to utah' was a misrepresentation of what diehard was saying.
Besides it not being possible to exempt yourself from all systemic problems, the attempts to move to more tolerant/safer places isn't feasible for many POC for many reasons. Financial being the obvious one but many people feel ties to their communities via long standing relationships with those in the communities or religious groups.
Marcellus Wiley talked about trying to get his grand mother out of Compton after he made it into the NFL, but she refused because she was so plugged into the community and her church.
For someone that keeps vaguely throwing out the term "statistics", you sure as hell haven't shown any.
Statistics. Oh hmm.
Link
Racism is worldwide though, why would black people want out!
Since 1989, 316 people have been exonerated with post-conviction DNA evidence; 63% were black. Twenty-nine of the 316 had pleaded guilty to a crime they didn't commit, and of those, again, 63% were black. So, black people comprised a considerable majority of people both exonerated and people exonerated who had pleaded guilty.
In a study titled, "Racial Disparity in Federal Criminal Charging and Its Sentencing Consequences," researchers found that on average, black defendants receive almost 10% longer sentences than whites arrested for the same crimes, with all variables controlled. "At least half this gap can be explained by initial charging choices, particularly the filing of charges carrying mandatory minimum sentences," they wrote. "Prosecutors are, ceteris paribus [all things being equal], almost twice as likely to file such charges against blacks."
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Racism is worldwide though, why would black people want out!
This shit is exactly why I'm completely content with my decision to get out. Hilarious that after this country's history you still have to convince people that certain problems just kinda actually do sorta exist.
I don't even like talking about this with people that agree or see eye to eye with me. Its maddeningly tiresome.
I don't even like talking about this with people that agree or see eye to eye with me. Its maddeningly tiresome.
By diehard Go To PostI was gonna come back with statistics and crap but its clear we are in emotional territory and it wouldnt be of any use.
Feel free to come back with statistics and provide us with a proper perspective. I'll admit a lot of us are emotionally invested and hurt for obvious reasons but welcome discussion nonetheless.
What's a good country to move to that is open to the black experience? I'm looking at New Zealand and Canada. Australia costs too much and I've already spat on an Australian female over racist remarks.
Can someone post the stats on the correlation between black people employment and education level?
Was talking to a black close co worker at work about this and he said something that stuck.
He said we as black people need to own our stuff and our neighborhoods. Work fot ourswlves etc. He said you can move somewhere nice, own a home, but can still get the cops called on your son and him be murdered.
Had me like.........damn.
He said we as black people need to own our stuff and our neighborhoods. Work fot ourswlves etc. He said you can move somewhere nice, own a home, but can still get the cops called on your son and him be murdered.
Had me like.........damn.