Turns out the judge in this case who said we have to think of this slug's family is also a racist fucking shit head. Shocked. Surprised. He was reprimanded in 2003 for the following:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/19/us/church-shooting-judge-reprimand/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/19/us/church-shooting-judge-reprimand/index.html
The judge in the South Carolina church massacre case was reprimanded for using the N-word in court in 2003, according to a judicial disciplinary order posted on the South Carolina Supreme Court's website.
Charleston County Magistrate James B. Gosnell Jr. also showed favoritism toward another judge, the justices ruled.
In November 2003, Gosnell was talking to a black defendant, whom he knew, at a bail reduction hearing. Gosnell said he repeated to the defendant a phrase that he had heard spoken by a black sheriff's deputy.
"There are four kinds of people in this world – black people, white people, red necks, and n——," Gosnell said at the time. He told the disciplinary counsel at the state Supreme Court that he made the "ill-considered" statement to try to get the young man to change his life.
By Smokey Go To PostTurns out the judge in this case who said we have to think of this slug's family is also a racist fucking shit head. Shocked. Surprised. He was reprimanded in 2003 for the following:this thread makes my blood boil.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/19/us/church-shooting-judge-reprimand/index.html
im gonna go for a walk or something.
Assign a racist judge to oversee justice of a racially motivated terrorist attack in 2015.
This country never learns.
This country never learns.
Jesus Christ guys, Murica is losing all its FIFA cred in this case
Just reading this stuff boils my blood. What the fuck, cant even begin to imagine how you guys feel about this
Just reading this stuff boils my blood. What the fuck, cant even begin to imagine how you guys feel about this
The racist judge thing is disgusting but luckily i don't think it will effect anything in THIS case.
By diehard Go To PostThe racist judge thing is disgusting but luckily i don't think it will effect anything in THIS case.
Are you a child?
By jWILL253 Go To PostAre you a child?There's no need for talking down to him.
By DY_nasty Go To PostIt already had an effect. wtfDid i miss something?
Dude is gonna get minimum life in prison, whoever the judge. Sentence is what i meant by effect, sorry.
But other factors like angering people, ect.. yeah that's an effect. Poor choice of words.
Sorry if ive sounded dumb/myopic in thread, I think I'm intelligent and highly educated but when it comes to real life issues i have been sheltered as fuck, and also sometimes express myself poorly when it comes to serious topics. I need to go back to listening to DY and friends' podcast.
By diehard Go To PostSorry if ive sounded dumb/myopic in thread, I think I'm intelligent and highly educated but when it comes to real life issues i have been sheltered as fuck, and also sometimes express myself poorly when it comes to serious topics. I need to go back to listening to DY and friends' podcast.I honestly can't tell if this is a sincere post or not.
By reilo Go To PostI honestly can't tell if this is a sincere post or not.Uhh it is.. i'm not that big of an asshole.
By diehard Go To PostUhh it is.. i'm not that big of an asshole.I know you're not but I also cannot recall you to be someone to post something like that. It's all good though, I want people to have an open and honest discussion.
By reilo Go To PostI know you're not but I also cannot recall you to be someone to post something like that. It's all good though, I want people to have an open and honest discussion.I don't post anything serious or personal on GAF because i really dislike most of those people, it's different here.
This whole thing is messed up.
Shit keeps getting called a tragic massacre by some when it's a racially motivated terrorist attack complete with an assassination of a US representative.
Racist judge.
Dude gets 1m bond (Judge doesn't have the authority for bail on the actual counts of murder ??).
Oh and who can forget SC flying the rebel flag high the day after.
Even after the event, being the pinnacle of racism that it is, we just have complete fuck up after fuck up. USA, USA,
Shit keeps getting called a tragic massacre by some when it's a racially motivated terrorist attack complete with an assassination of a US representative.
Racist judge.
Dude gets 1m bond (Judge doesn't have the authority for bail on the actual counts of murder ??).
Oh and who can forget SC flying the rebel flag high the day after.
Even after the event, being the pinnacle of racism that it is, we just have complete fuck up after fuck up. USA, USA,
Oh boy yes. More good news.
More here
A white supremacist leader, whose works allegedly inspired Dylann Roof to kill nine black parishioners during a church Bible study meeting, was found to have donated $65,000 to several prominent G.O.P. candidates in the 2016 primary.
The Council of Conservative Citizens (CofCC), was cited extensively in a chilling manifesto calling for a race war and the death of all African-Americans. The manifesto, which appears to have been written by Roof, credited the CofCC with alerting him to “brutal black on white murders” and inspiring him to plot the shooting.
The Guardian discovered yesterday that in the past several years, Earl P. Holt III, the group’s president, had donated tens of thousands of dollars to political action committees supporting current candidates Ted Cruz, Rick Santorum, and Rand Paul. He previously donated to several 2012 candidates, including Mitt Romney and Michele Bachmann.
More here
David Aldridge weighs in
"1) There are people who do things, and we'll never understand why. That is not the case with the premeditated assassination of nine black people last week in Charleston. There's one reason that person (I will not contribute to his infamy by writing his name) did what he did: racism. Nothing else. Not mental illness, though he may well be found to be insane. But there are lots of clinically insane people who don't shoot up a church full of black people. This person said he wanted to start another civil war, that he was there to shoot black people, that wore the colors of Apartheid Rhodesia on his clothing. He was a racist. And that's why he was there, on that day, in that church – which he drove two hours to get to, passing lots of other churches with Christians engaged in Bible study on Wednesdays, so this wasn't about shooting Christians. There is no other explanation, no "lone wolf nut job" fallacy to make some (far from all) people feel better. This mass murder was the product of a society that has yet to come to grips with the racism that has permeated this nation for 400 years and still does. Two things can be true at the same time. Have we made substantial progress as a society toward being more just and fair and less overtly racist, toward judging people by the content of their character rather than the color of their skin? Yes. Is this country still virulently racist? Yes. Do we have to continue to work to make it better? Same answer."
"1) There are people who do things, and we'll never understand why. That is not the case with the premeditated assassination of nine black people last week in Charleston. There's one reason that person (I will not contribute to his infamy by writing his name) did what he did: racism. Nothing else. Not mental illness, though he may well be found to be insane. But there are lots of clinically insane people who don't shoot up a church full of black people. This person said he wanted to start another civil war, that he was there to shoot black people, that wore the colors of Apartheid Rhodesia on his clothing. He was a racist. And that's why he was there, on that day, in that church – which he drove two hours to get to, passing lots of other churches with Christians engaged in Bible study on Wednesdays, so this wasn't about shooting Christians. There is no other explanation, no "lone wolf nut job" fallacy to make some (far from all) people feel better. This mass murder was the product of a society that has yet to come to grips with the racism that has permeated this nation for 400 years and still does. Two things can be true at the same time. Have we made substantial progress as a society toward being more just and fair and less overtly racist, toward judging people by the content of their character rather than the color of their skin? Yes. Is this country still virulently racist? Yes. Do we have to continue to work to make it better? Same answer."
States’ rights? Heritage? I was wrong: The Confederate flag has always been about race.
As a Charleston, South Carolina-based conservative radio personality known as the “Southern Avenger,” I spent a decade defending the Confederate flag that is yet again the center of so much controversy.
I was wrong. That flag is always about race. Whatever political or historical points the flag’s defenders make, there will never be a time—and never has been a time—in which millions of Americans have looked at that symbol and not seen hatred.
A 14-year-old black girl attending a pool party in McKinney, Texas, had been manhandled and thrown to the ground by a police officer. The girl had done nothing except talk. She was just standing there with other teenagers.
It was revolting to watch. I asked others to imagine it was their daughter.
The overwhelming response was that she was a “thug” who was “no saint” and needed to be taught “respect.” The comments were as revolting as the act—an adult mob praising the assault of a 100-pound, half-naked and scared black kid. I pleaded again for people to stop defending this. It got uglier.
It bothered me greatly, probably because at one time I might have done the same thing.
In my role as a conservative radio personality, I would’ve likely joined in in calling a group of excited black teenagers, or protesters, “thugs.” I might have called illegal immigrants criminals or worse. Muslims would’ve been slandered as terrorists.
Ugliness was a stock-in-trade.
Some of the people you’ve seen join hands with their Charleston brethren in recent days likely have supported the Confederate flag. Support for this symbol is hard for most outside the South to even understand.http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/06/22/the-southern-avenger-repents-i-was-wrong-about-the-confederate-flag.html
I would ask readers to at least try to understand these folks. Many are not coming from a place of hate.
Others are. Too many have for a very long time. One hateful man did so again last week in a way our nation will not soon forget.
This is why it’s finally time to take down the Confederate flag.
Decent op-ed.
Still pissed that his bail is only 1 mil... I mean Suge Knight (is a shithead) but killed a dude in what he claimed was self defense (before proven it was) and his bail was 25 mil.. This waste admittedly murdered 9 people in cold blood for a race war and gets burger king and a 1 mil bail.. I wouldn't be shocked to see some hate group step up and bail him out..
By blackace Go To PostStill pissed that his bail is only 1 mil… I mean Suge Knight (is a shithead) but killed a dude in what he claimed was self defense (before proven it was) and his bail was 25 mil.. This waste admittedly murdered 9 people in cold blood for a race war and gets burger king and a 1 mil bail.. I wouldn't be shocked to see some hate group step up and bail him out..
Can't wait for the defense fund too.
By blackace Go To PostStill pissed that his bail is only 1 mil… I mean Suge Knight (is a shithead) but killed a dude in what he claimed was self defense (before proven it was) and his bail was 25 mil.. This waste admittedly murdered 9 people in cold blood for a race war and gets burger king and a 1 mil bail.. I wouldn't be shocked to see some hate group step up and bail him out..To be fair, max bail is often based on assets/net worth. Suge Knight is worth a shit ton of money and I'm guessing this racist POS is worth virtually nothing. Hence the $1 million bail.
I have no problem with the valuations in that sense.
Having said that, he should not have any bail allowed. This racist POS directly targeted and murdered in cold blooded fashion a group of innocent randoms (the target itself wasn't random, but aside from the pastor, everyone in that building at that moment was to a degree random).
That, to me, means no fucking bail. He cannot be trusted out in society. He has admitted he wants to start a race war! He is a fucking terrorist.
So my issue isn't the amount his bail is set, because my understanding of the bail valuations means they did that part right. It's the fact that there's an option for bail at all that offends me. That option should be off the table.
If this was a black man who did the same to white people. would he be given an option of bail? Fuck no. Fuck this justice system.
By blackace Go To Postdue to the high profile of the case and the subject matter bail should have at least been 10 mil.
Not sure if that's allowed. Again I think it's based on financial background.
Should have just been held without bail.
http://mic.com/articles/121221/confederate-flag-amazon-walmart-and-ebay-no-longer-selling-it
It's cool you're taking shit down Ebay but I despise the "become" statements so much. More of that let's not be honest with ourselves of what it's meant since its conception.
In a statement to CNN, Ebay spokeswoman Johnna Hoff, said the company would be banning the sale of the flag because it had "become a contemporary symbol of divisiveness and racism."
It's cool you're taking shit down Ebay but I despise the "become" statements so much. More of that let's not be honest with ourselves of what it's meant since its conception.
By jWILL253 Go To PostDyllan should be chillin' in GitMo, honestly.
Nope, because white people cant be terrorists, especially racial terrorists, because then it becomes retroactive. That would involve literally most presidents being terrorists, and a large swath of white people today being terrorist supporters, if not terrorists themselves. The FBI ain't got the manpower to detain that many people, especially since this country is founded on racial terrorism.
By Mamba Go To PostNot sure if that's allowed. Again I think it's based on financial background.
Should have just been held without bail.
sure it's allowed... a judge can move bail any which if they feel the case needs it.
of course they can also withhold bail too
By blackace Go To Postsure it's allowed… a judge can move bail any which if they feel the case needs it.
of course they can also withhold bail too
Judge could (and should) have said "no bail" and that's it.
By blackace Go To Postsure it's allowed… a judge can move bail any which if they feel the case needs it.So I did more research. This Racist POS was not charged with murder in this Court, only a weapons charge. $1 million is probably the max amount, money wise, and no bail without proving to be a flight risk is probably not tenable. It's actually unconstitutional (8th Amendment) to charge a bond/bail too high so this was probably the max possible. So you aren't right to say judges can do whatever they want.
of course they can also withhold bail too
There will be a bond hearing on the murder charges in a different court later.
I do wonder if the Judge can put "no bail" on him with a weapons charge if he's deemed a threat to society.
Why he hasn't been seen a judge for bail for the murder charges yet., I do not know.
Dylann Roof Was Influenced by a White Power Group Subsidized by American Tax Dollars
gross
According to their own website, the council is based on the philosophy that the United States should be composed only of white people, that there should be no interracial relationships and that homosexuals should be banned.
"The American people and government should remain European in their composition and character," the CCC states. "We oppose all efforts by the state and other powers to weaken the structure of the American family through toleration of sexual licentiousness, homosexuality and other perversions, mixture of the races."
These are the words of an organization which has been classified by the government as a social welfare organization, operating "primarily to further the common good and general welfare of the people," as defined by the IRS.
gross
By db Go To PostDylann Roof Was Influenced by a White Power Group Subsidized by American Tax DollarsThis CANNOT be life. You gotta be fucking kidding me.
gross
Confederate flag raised again at South Carolina Statehouse after woman climbs pole to remove it
Should have kept it down.
Should have kept it down.
By db Go To PostDylann Roof Was Influenced by a White Power Group Subsidized by American Tax DollarsMy urge to kill is now rising. Seriously, this should be investigated to the fullest extent possible. Vice should tear their filed application for non-profit status wide open and expose everyone involved. This shit can not happen or be allowed to continue. Not anymore. The nine lives lost to this garbage were certainly not lost in vain and should stand as a a pillar for a time when the sane people of this country finally took a stand and fought back.
gross
I love when people talk about heritage of the confederate flag. If it was made well before the civil war they might have a point but it wasn't. Not only is it a symbol of oppression but it's also a symbol of treason and has NO place on government buildings...
Shameless cross post, but Seahawks WR Doug Baldwin posted this on his Facebook:
That's my undrafted wide receiver...
Pensacola, FL. Home sweet home. I can respect freedom of speech.
Hell, I've been known to rub people the wrong way during times when I have publicly stood for something I believed in. And I guess there is the occasional football rant. But that is a different story. Today I want to discuss this picture, depicting individuals demonstrating their freedom of speech, taken in my home town. It is not surprising to see, however, that it's still a very frustrating image to me for various reasons. Why? Well, I grew up in this area and know the population all too well. A noose hanging from a rearview mirror wasn't outside the realm of what I would see in my high school parking lot. My experiences in life have taught me that you can't expect ignorance to educate itself. Being an African-American born in the South, there is some confirmation bias in play here but I'm going to attempt to share some history while stating my stance on the subject based on that history.
First, let's discuss some facts of history. The flag that we are debating over is not even the original confederate flag. This information may seem irrelevant but it is important to point out for the sake of validity in my argument. Although it wasn't the official flag of the Confederate States of America, it was the battle flag used by Robert E. Lee, a general in the Confederate Army. So the flag at some point did indeed represent the "rebel" cause. These "rebels", for the most part, were fighting against the union in an effort to keep slavery in place. (You can check this fact by googling the Articles of Secession). For the sake of this argument, let's negate that simple fact. (This is a key element to an argument a lot of supporters of the flag are making.) So, what is the relevance of the flag without the context of the Civil War?
Ever heard of the civil rights movement? In the late '40s, the flag was an adopted symbol of the segregationist Dixiecrat party. Article 4 of their platform stated, "We stand for the segregation of the races." In 1956, the battle flag was a prominent feature on the redesign of Georgia's state flag partly in response to the Supreme Court's ruling to desegregate schools just two years earlier. They have since removed it. The argument we hear today is that the flag represents "Southern Heritage" and "Southern Pride". The only relevant "heritage" I could find in history not pertaining to the Civil War was associated with racism and segregation. Is this the heritage and pride you speak of?
That brings me full circle. By understanding the significant historical symbolism of Robert E. Lee's battle flag, we can easily identify the various messages that flying the flag represents. But to all of you exercising your right to freedom of speech: Do you even know what you are supporting? To those arguing against the flag, make sure your argument is based on the facts.
I'm sure there are those individuals that understand what the flag stands for and still support it. And to that group I say, may God bless you because I'm having a hard time with grace myself. As a 26-year-old who grew up in the South around many supporters of the confederate flag, I would like to ask those same people to answer this question: What does southern pride and heritage really mean? Is it the sweet tea and hospitality? Or is this a sense of pride for the rebellious actions against a national government who had the audacity to say that secession was unconstitutional and slavery was wrong? Furthermore, I’d like to ask, how does this symbol, which produces such a strong feeling of offense by those who were oppressed under it, best represent that pride and heritage? If you can answer these questions and defend this flag in a way that isn’t rooted in a sense of emotional, stubborn pride for the oppressive intent this flag has represented in the past, then I’ll gladly commend you for it. But until then, I’ll be patiently waiting for the day ignorance can educate itself and will do my part to try and educate it in an assertive, respectful manner.
Respectfully,
- DB
That's my undrafted wide receiver...