After a sleep, I’m having second thoughts on getting a Pro. Seeing the PS5 Digital going for £350 on sale. The £350 I would save would cover the cost of the games I want to play on it.
Definitely need to see some reviews on the Pro upgrades for supported games. Curious how Dragon’s Dogma 2 will fair on the Pro.
Definitely need to see some reviews on the Pro upgrades for supported games. Curious how Dragon’s Dogma 2 will fair on the Pro.
If you don't have a PS5 already, just get the standard version with a bundle. Unless you really care about the graphics upgrades. That price difference is steep.
from what I remember during the DF review, the game is CPU constrained and not GPU constrained. The pro has the same CPU.
By Fenderputty Go To Postfrom what I remember during the DF review, the game is CPU constrained and not GPU constrained. The pro has the same CPU.
Yeah I’m aware of that. It’s especially heavy on PC CPUs too. Which is why I’m curious to see what they do with it for the Pro patch. It already has pretty good image quality on PS5, so it’s a case of what can really be upgraded for it?
If it's using the RDNA 4 improvements for RT (which I believe is pretty ubiquitous in DD2) I can see DD2 maybe getting at least some half-decent performance improvements. That said, I wonder if they'd have to change how the game's RT pipeline takes advantage of the hardware.
By Laboured Go To PostIf it's using the RDNA 4 improvements for RT (which I believe is pretty ubiquitous in DD2) I can see DD2 maybe getting at least some half-decent performance improvements. That said, I wonder if they'd have to change how the game's RT pipeline takes advantage of the hardware.Honestly it really comes down to their upscaling/framerate enhancement technology. If that's any decent it changes things quite a bit and the perceived performance v. fidelity gap will be even larger.
By Jazzy Jambalaya Go To PostUpscaling doesn't help with CPU load, though.Edited my post and added in framerate enhancement to that. I assume that'll be supported?
DD2's CPU load? It's something Capcom needs to sort out.
The possibility of PS5 Pro having a good 60fps option for it is there, it's just a matter if they can manage it.
The possibility of PS5 Pro having a good 60fps option for it is there, it's just a matter if they can manage it.
By reilo Go To PostEdited my post and added in framerate enhancement to that. I assume that'll be supported?If there’s no noteworthy difference in CPU performance between base and Pro, then the areas that perform poorly in DD2 won’t see any meaningful improvement in frame rate.
I’ve seen a 10% CPU speed boost thrown around, but even if that is the case, CPU clockspeed doesn’t lead to a linear improvement in frame rate. Even if it did, 10% wouldn’t be even take DD2 to a locked 40FPS. Nevermind 60FPS.
I’m expecting the Pro patch may just boost to native 4K and have some added RT effects. Although on PC, DD2’s CPU load increases with resolution too. So it’ll be interesting to see how it pans out.
Adding more/better RT effects also puts more load on the CPU (bvh trees or whatever), so those minor gains could be wiped out by that better RT.
The upcoming DD2 patch will solve all CPU related problems. Trust.
Also, these PS5 Pro vs PC price comparisons are doing my head in.
Also, these PS5 Pro vs PC price comparisons are doing my head in.
By C4-621 Go To PostOh no. PC gamers are fightingThat's the point and purpose of the pro.
PC gamer civil war.
But on the real. I say wait till the hardware is in people's hands before we start spouting off.
By Dazenheimer Go To PostThat's the point and purpose of the pro.Where’s the fun it that?
PC gamer civil war.
But on the real. I say wait till the hardware is in people's hands before we start spouting off.
If I try to make a pc build that would run comparable to a Ps5 pro, I'd probably spend around 1500€.
850€ for the 4070 is already ridiculous.
850€ for the 4070 is already ridiculous.
I’m not sure “this is expensive but a pc is more expensive” is really the route you wanna go down unless you want PS6 and Xbox to launch at $700
Just saying shits expensive and the dam was about to burst anyway.
If PS6/Xbox Series Supra doesn't cost 700$, what will be better anyway?
I foresee Switch 2 costing 500 aswell.
If PS6/Xbox Series Supra doesn't cost 700$, what will be better anyway?
I foresee Switch 2 costing 500 aswell.
Wasn't the initial plan for the next xbox to come in 2026 and it was why there wasn't going to be a Series XX/pro/whatever? Coming out with a new gen in 2 years would be interesting if they are even making another console at this point.
By jjasper Go To PostWasn't the initial plan for the next xbox to come in 2026 and it was why there wasn't going to be a Series XX/pro/whatever? Coming out with a new gen in 2 years would be interesting if they are even making another console at this point.Nah, that's not happening. The most legit rumor we have right now is that they are moving towards making Xbox as an OEM brand.
Which makes sense, considering how much marketshare it has lost, especially in Europe.
I don’t see a path back to shorter console generations. Technology doesn’t move fast enough to warrant it without extortionate price increases.
By HottestGrapes Go To PostI don’t see a path back to shorter console generations. Technology doesn’t move fast enough to warrant it without extortionate price increases.Yea the skyrocketing cost of GPUs probably has a lot to do with it
By Lupercal Go To PostIf I try to make a pc build that would run comparable to a Ps5 pro, I'd probably spend around 1500€.Don't need a 4070 for feature and performance parity with the PS5 Pro. Can spend nearly half that on an AMD GPU that will have similar RT and raster performance in the same games at similar settings to the PS5 Pro. Throw in a cheap Ryzen 3000 series CPU, 16 GB of RAM, and a 2TB nvme, and you are basically good to go.
850€ for the 4070 is already ridiculous.
By Jazzy Jambalaya Go To PostDon't need a 4070 for feature and performance parity with the PS5 Pro. Can spend nearly half that on an AMD GPU that will have similar RT and raster performance in the same games at similar settings. Throw in a cheap Ryzen 3000 series CPU, 16 GB of RAM, and a 2TB nvme, and you are basically good to go.For 4k/60 and RT capabilities?
By reilo Go To PostFor 4k/60 and RT capabilities?Yes. The RT capabilities of the PS5 Pro still ain't much to write home about and most of these games are using some serious upscaling to reach 4k resolutions.
By Jazzy Jambalaya Go To PostYes. The RT capabilities of the PS5 Pro still ain't much to write home about and most of these games are using some serious upscaling to reach 4k resolutions.I guess I have a hard time believing that a Ryzen 3000 and an entry-level AMD GPU can give you consistent 4k/60 -- but I could be way off base lol.
By reilo Go To PostI guess I have a hard time believing that a Ryzen 3000 and an entry-level AMD GPU can give you consistent 4k/60 – but I could be way off base lol.According to Sony the Pro has 2x the RT performance as the base model, and sometimes as much as 3x. Which would put it in the same territory as moving up from the 6000 series AMD gpu's to the 7000 series. The 7900GRE would be way overkill and can be found for under $550. The cards a step or two down from that would also be capable for the games and settings we are talking about. A 3700X would be a bit faster than the CPU in the PS5 Pro.
But we all know optimization within a PC build isn't equivalent to a closed-box system especially compared to something running fucking Windows.
I imagine the PS5 Pro will still have bandwidth advantages since everything is SoC and tightly integrated.
I imagine the PS5 Pro will still have bandwidth advantages since everything is SoC and tightly integrated.
By reilo Go To PostBut we all know optimization within a PC build isn't equivalent to a closed-box system especially compared to something running fucking Windows.Yes, I am taking that into account. That's why the parts I mentioned are a bit or a lot faster than what is in the Pro.
I imagine the PS5 Pro will still have bandwidth advantages since everything is SoC and tightly integrated.
Now, the Pro would consume like 1/2 to 1/3 the power of this PC. But, yeah.
This should give equivalent performance in games when running at similar settings as the PS5 Pro: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PBQpyg
Now, with that said, it is still more expensive than the PS5 Pro and there will be some cases where the PS5 pro will run a game better and vice versa. It would be title specific. But this would be good enough in 90% of the titles.
Now, with that said, it is still more expensive than the PS5 Pro and there will be some cases where the PS5 pro will run a game better and vice versa. It would be title specific. But this would be good enough in 90% of the titles.
By Laboured Go To PostDF has it at around a 3070Ti give or take (without DLSS tho lol). Or a 7800XT (downclocked).That's what, an additional $100?
By reilo Go To PostThat's what, an additional $100?In the build I posted? $70 more.
By reilo Go To PostYea the skyrocketing cost of GPUs probably has a lot to do with itIt’s not so much the cost, it’s the (for lack of a better term) stagnation in performance increases with each passing generation.
By HottestGrapes Go To PostIt’s not so much the cost, it’s the (for lack of a better term) stagnation in performance increases with each passing generation.
Can't have shorter generations when developers can't even make games in that amount of time anymore.
By jjasper Go To PostCan't have shorter generations when developers can't even make games in that amount of time anymore.I’m still holding out hope that improvements to RT hardware in the future will decrease some content development time to a noticeable degree. Because, yeah, dev cycles are much too long now. Makes it hard to build a game around a novel idea and be worth the risk to develop and release.
By Flutter Go To PostNah, that's not happening. The most legit rumor we have right now is that they are moving towards making Xbox as an OEM brand.Xbox machines and xbox deck. Phil can't even properly copy gaben's homework when it comes to a competent PC client.
Which makes sense, considering how much marketshare it has lost, especially in Europe.
But it's obvious they don't have the third party capital nor the first party lineup to kickstart a "next gen", even if they come out with some AI powered console/hybrid in 2026/27. They are not gonna convince anyone that they are providing a fresh experience, or an enticing enough differentiator.
Sony tried the whole "we believe in generations" "you can't get this anywhere else" song and dance only to rug pull everyone with their whole stable of cross-gen games. To this day, about 40% of the console market is still on last gen machines. The development timelines just don't add up anymore when you have studios who haven't yet produced anything at all this gen.
-Slowed growth in technology
-Bloated dev times
-Cost
Anyone got more reasons to add as to why shorter console generations are dead?
-Bloated dev times
-Cost
Anyone got more reasons to add as to why shorter console generations are dead?
By HottestGrapes Go To Post-Slowed growth in technologyMicrosoft paying $69 billion for ActivisionBlizzard left no budget for new hardware R&D
-Bloated dev times
-Cost
Anyone got more reasons to add as to why shorter console generations are dead?
By HottestGrapes Go To Post-Slowed growth in technologyI mean there is the fact that Sony has no competition anymore and have no incentive to release anything (including the pro which is probably from an outdated product roadmap) so unless someone comes out with something why would they
-Bloated dev times
-Cost
Anyone got more reasons to add as to why shorter console generations are dead?
I was literally about to post "-Phil" as a little bit of a joke but the above posts make that feel a bit redundant now.
By jjasper Go To PostI mean there is the fact that Sony has no competition anymore and have no incentive to release anything (including the pro which is probably from an outdated product roadmap) so unless someone comes out with something why would theyJudging by this $700 price tag, they are moving to taking a profit off the hardware as well as the benefit of taking a cut of the software "remasters" for the new console.
By Laboured Go To PostI was literally about to post "-Phil" as a little bit of a joke but the above posts make that feel a bit redundant now.I mean Phil just being bad at his job could cause many things besides the no competition thing so it is more encompassing
By jjasper Go To PostI mean Phil just being bad at his job could cause many things besides the no competition thing so it is more encompassing
Why isn't Smokey fixing this?