Bronny really needs Rondo on the coaching staff, learning from him would help him so much
Missing open jumpers oof
But got a steal and a lay up
Missing open jumpers oof
But got a steal and a lay up
By DY_nasty Go To PostCommentators definitely got the memo 😂
By DY_nasty Go To PostDalton looks worse than Bronny low key23 years old.
By Christberg Go To PostAdonis Arms is a rad name
Adonis Arms Rightwing Militias is his full given name.
Sounds like a name Vince would come up with for one of his black wrestlers whose real name is equally as cool.
By friskySHOOKface Go To PostBronny tried to jam on that guy lolHe was much worse in college than a typical 55th pick. If you mean it doesn't matter because 55th picks are almost never NBA players anyway then sure I guess.
He’s alright
He’s how a 55th pick would play
Nuggets just gotta go with Tyus Jones instead of Westbrook and they might actually have something decent there
Also, what the heck happened in that GS/Heat game? Ware looked good for the first couple plays, then went to the gym, got back after it finished and… woof
castle already has me shook lmao
By Christberg Go To PostAlso, what the heck happened in that GS/Heat game? Ware looked good for the first couple plays, then went to the gym, got back after it finished and… woofno legit pg in summer league means you're getting ran
By Christberg Go To PostNuggets just gotta go with Tyus Jones instead of Westbrook and they might actually have something decent thereTyus would be the dream, but definitely out of reach for the team.
castle's shot might be legit busted as fuck because even our summer league guys are backing off when he rises up goddamn
Castle's defense is very legit but Wemby is unironically more of a natural PG than he seems like so far. They need to just play him as a wing for now and hope his shot develops.
By diehard Go To PostEhh a couple nice plays there from CastleI'm not saying he's a bad passer or anything, just feels like he takes forever to decide what he's going to do when he's initiating the offense.
Castle shot 75% from the line in college, his jumper is bad now but that's much better than Jaylen, Ingram and RJ at the same age so he's not completely hopeless.
By You got 14 bricks right there? Go To PostCastle shot 75% from the line in college, his jumper is bad now but that's much better than Jaylen, Ingram and RJ at the same age so he's not completely hopeless.I don't think he is completely hopeless. He just doesn't have a profile where you'd expect him to develop a jumpshot (75% isn't really that good), but it could certainly happen.
By Sharp Go To PostI don't think he is completely hopeless. He just doesn't have a profile where you'd expect him to develop a jumpshot (75% isn't really that good), but it could certainly happen..
75% is pretty good for these raw athletic wings, shows he has some touch on his shot. Those other 3 guys shot under 70%.
By You got 14 bricks right there? Go To Post.Yeah, but overall in the NBA there are a bunch of guys who shoot 75% from the line but can't shoot threes. It's not really something you can use to project someone will be a good shooter if they didn't already demonstrate the ability to shoot. And I wouldn't call any of them a "good" shooter, Brown and Ingram are just okay and Barrett is probably bad enough that he's hurting his team when he takes threes (except for in Toronto last year, but we'll see if that holds up). Obviously the standards are lower if you're wing sized and good at other stuff.
75% is pretty good for these raw athletic wings, shows he has some touch on his shot. Those other 3 guys shot under 70%.
By Sharp Go To PostYeah, but overall in the NBA there are a bunch of guys who shoot 75% from the line but can't shoot threes. It's not really something you can use to project someone will be a good shooter if they didn't already demonstrate the ability to shoot.
18-19 yrs olds generally don't shoot freethrows well, the guys that can at that age are the exceptions especially those that are athletic or playmakers. Like Ant shot 77% and LaMelo shot 72% in Australia. If he were shooting under 70% I'd say even getting to average shooting would be a tough battle, but there's some kind of shooting there.
By You got 14 bricks right there? Go To Post18-19 yrs olds generally don't shoot freethrows well, the guys that can at that age are the exceptions especially those that are athletic or playmakers. Like Ant shot 77% and LaMelo shot 72% in Australia. If he were shooting under 70% I'd say even getting to average shooting would be a tough battle, but there's some kind of shooting there.That's actually not true, FT% tends to translate really well from college. There are a handful of exceptions (which we remember of course) and the exceptions also often go along with better three point shooting, but for the most part meh free throw shooters don't get drastically better. It's also not like it has to get better for you to become a good three point shooter, there are some good shooters with FT% in the low seventies. More that you can't project good shooting from FT% alone until it gets to the low 80s.
By Sharp Go To PostThat's actually not true, FT% tends to translate really well from college. There are a handful of exceptions (which we remember of course) and the exceptions also often go along with better three point shooting, but for the most part meh free throw shooters don't get drastically better. It's also not like it has to get better for you to become a good three point shooter, there are some good shooters with FT% in the low seventies. More that you can't project good shooting from FT% alone until it gets to the low 80s.
Guys who can make freethrows have an easier path to becoming shooters than those that can't. If a 19 year old is shooting 60% from the line and people are saying he'll develop into a shooter I don't believe it. You're talking about guys in the NBA already, I'm talking about 18-19 yrs olds, it's why when there's a guy who can't shoot threes they look at his freethrow percentage as a predictor on future shooting potential. Walker Kessler was billed as maybe a big who could hit threes in the NBA, I looked at his college freethrows percentage and said "nah".
I work with my nephew, his freethrows were awful during the season and he was a streaky shooter. We've been tracking his freethrows since May and as he's improving at the line his outside shot is getting more consistent.
By You got 14 bricks right there? Go To PostGuys who can make freethrows have an easier path to becoming shooters than those that can't. If a 19 year old is shooting 60% from the line and people are saying he'll develop into a shooter I don't believe it. You're talking about guys in the NBA already, I'm talking about 18-19 yrs olds, it's why when there's a guy who can't shoot threes they look at his freethrow percentage as a predictor on future shooting potential. Walker Kessler was billed as maybe a big who could hit threes in the NBA, I looked at his college freethrows percentage and said "nah".I agree that high FT% predicts shooting potential and terrible FT% predicts not being able to shoot that well. I think what we disagree is what "high" means... to me there's a big sea of "meh" where FT% doesn't tell you that much by itself, between like 71 and 80. Like it has an impact, but you should still be skeptical if a prospect was a really bad three point shooter with a 75 FT%. A lot of those guys never figure it out. Hell sometimes guys even have good shooting seasons in college with a 75 FT% and are never elite in the NBA because it turns out it was kind of a fluke.
I work with my nephew, his freethrows were awful during the season and he was a streaky shooter. We've been tracking his freethrows since Mayand as he's improving at the line his outside shot is getting more consistent.
By Sharp Go To PostI agree that high FT% predicts shooting potential and terrible FT% predicts not being able to shoot that well. I think what we disagree is what "high" means… to me there's a big sea of "meh" where FT% doesn't tell you that much by itself, between like 71 and 80. Like it has an impact, but you should still be skeptical if a prospect was a really bad three point shooter with a 75 FT%. A lot of those guys never figure it out.
I don't know if Castle will but he at least has something to work with there, he's not a Sochan who was under 60%. I don't think 75% is great, but for a raw 19 year old it's not bad either. It's just better than a lot guys at the same age who did turn into average to good shooters. That's better than his teammate was at the same age, Vassell shot 68% as a freshman and 74% as a soph.
By You got 14 bricks right there? Go To PostI don't know if Castle will but he at least has something to work with there, he's not a Sochan who was under 60%. I don't think 75% is great, but for a raw 19 year old it's not bad either. It's just better than a lot guys at the same age who did turn into average to good shooters. That's better than his teammate was at the same age, Vassell shot 68% as a freshman and 74% as a soph.Well yeah but Vassell was also shooting over 41% from three both years, at a certain volume of threes you need less evidence from FT%. I agree with you that he is not the hopeless project people make him out to be... we already knew from the combine that he wasn't one of those guys who can't even shoot in an empty gym (like Holland might be). Guys with his pre-draft profile aren't good shooters in the NBA more often than not, but it's not like it's hard to find counterexamples. I think I even said at one point that he was the kind of pick who might turn into Kawhi if he randomly found his jumper over the offseason, lol. But there's a difference between "it might happen" and "it's basically a lock" like it is for guys like Topic who shoot high 80s.
By Sharp Go To PostWell yeah but Vassell was also shooting over 41% from three both years, at a certain volume of threes you need less evidence from FT%. I agree with you that he is not the hopeless project people make him out to be… we already knew from the combine that he wasn't one of those guys who can't even shoot in an empty gym (like Holland might be). Guys with his pre-draft profile aren't good shooters in the NBA more often than not, but it's not like it's hard to find counterexamples. I think I even said at one point that he was the kind of pick who might turn into Kawhi if he randomly found his jumper over the offseason, lol. But there's a difference between "it might happen" and "it's basically a lock" like it is for guys like Topic who shoot high 80s.
There's guys who took a high volume of threes at a good percentage and had a low FT percentage in college and came into the league and couldn't shoot. I never trusted Davion Mitchell, Fultz or Lonzo when they were coming out just because of freethrow shooting, how am I supposed to believe a guy can make threes consistently when he can't make wide open 15 footers. Lonzo eventually turned into a good shooter but it took a full overhaul of his jumper. I have more confidence in him potentially figuring it out just because of the freethrow shooting, not saying he's gonna turn into a PG13 level shooter, but he's not hopeless and getting to 35% at some point should be the goal, and that should be doable.
By You got 14 bricks right there? Go To PostThere's guys who took a high volume of threes at a good percentage and had a low FT percentage in college and came into the league and couldn't shoot. I never trusted Davion Mitchell, Fultz or Lonzo when they were coming out just because of freethrow shooting, how am I supposed to believe a guy can make threes consistently when he can't make wide open 15 footers. Lonzo eventually turned into a good shooter but it took a full overhaul of his jumper. I have more confidence in him potentially figuring it out just because of the freethrow shooting, not saying he's gonna turn into a PG13 level shooter, but he's not hopeless and getting to 35% at some point should be the goal, and that should be doable.Fair enough on Vassell, I didn't realize how few threes he took and probably wouldn't have projected him to be a good shooter lol. But all I can say wrt Castle is, we'll see. People tend to forget just how many prospects people have said this about who never learned to shoot. This article is mostly wrong in its sweeping conclusion (because it assumes this also applies to guys with genuinely high FT%, for which it isn't the case), but it's kind of right about guys like Castle:
Only 4 of the 25 NBA shooters were below 70% from the free throw line. 8 of the 25 were above 75% from the free throw line. That mark feels like a much safer one, but is not in reality. Of all the players to shoot 75% or above from the FT line but 30% or under from 3-point range in college, 8 of those 20 (40%) made it to the 30% threshold in the NBA. That’s not much of an improvement on the whole, and if we bring that number to 80%, we only have four qualifiers: Towns, Tyler Zeller, Mike Scott, and JaJuan Johnson.
A 40% chance that he gets to 30% for his career isn't really all that great, and it's probably higher when you exclude guys who just never got enough minutes to figure things out, but it's probably a more realistic expectation than that he's guaranteed to get to 36% (even though like I said, that is absolutely an outcome that's on the table).
