By n8 dogg Go To PostYes. Sustained over eight seasons of Premier League coaching where you could only really argue one was bad.
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Not only that, but we navigated a worse injury crisis (not by much) this season without losing our identify and style of play. Everyone that came into the team knew their role, their job and executed it to the best of their ability (even if in some cases their ability level is low).
We finished on very similar points, but the difference in levels of performance was stark, as is the goal difference.
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Would be interesting to see what Poch could do with our young squad and the likes of Hojlund, Mainoo,Garnacho, Amad.
Still think what Rodgers did at Leicester is underrated. Expectations were all out of whack at that club. Competing for top 4 against billion pound juggernauts, winning the FA Cup etc.
He had a weird time there. FA Cup win and a couple of 5th place finishes (I think) were beyond anyone's expectations. But the way they missed out on 4th place was complete shit, and he got them relegated with a team that shouldn't have been anywhere near it.
By Willkiller Go To PostThere's absolutely too small of a sample size to make an assessment of how good of a coach he is at Premier League level. He had one good season and one horrific season. Is he a good Premier League coach? I'd personally lean towards no.
Is he a good coach at Eridivisie level? Yes, quite clearly. But so was Frank de Boer (he actually has more Eridivisie titles than ETH).
Frank de Boer was not a good Eredivisie coach. Let's put that to bed please. The points we had during those four title runs were almost at historic lows to win a league. It was mostly a matter of all top clubs in the league being shit. Ajax was the least shit. We also played like shit, I still have PTSD from those years. Only the last few weeks were fun, once you knew we at least were gonna win another title.
EtH is a great manager internally. He just lacks the natural charisma externally. He had the same problem at Ajax at first. He has a thick accent even in Dutch, he's from a region where they just speak Dutch unlike anywhere else. So at first people were like; who's this weirdo and why does he come across so fragile in interviews. And then we saw how he shaped a gameplan and brought the club to levels we hadn't been in many years. With beautiful football even. In England his 'presentation problem' is even bigger considering his English quite frankly sucks. He comes across unsure and United aren't performing up to their standards. All the player ego's he had to manage also didn't help him. Especially with how much of it was discussed in the press widely. The Ronaldo and Sancho drama just kept dragging on. It doesn't help if you're also being slayed for how you present yourself on top of that. Even though that doesn't have anything to do with how things go inside the club and how the team is performing. I fear it won't be working out if he stays, but I definitely think he's good enough for the league. He needs a club with people that know what they do and internal calmness. Instead of the shithousery United has been in ever since Fergie left.
By Linius Go To PostFrank de Boer was not a good Eredivisie coach. Let's put that to bed please. The points we had during those four title runs were almost at historic lows to win a league. It was mostly a matter of all top clubs in the league being shit. Ajax was the least shit. We also played like shit, I still have PTSD from those years. Only the last few weeks were fun, once you knew we at least were gonna win another title.
EtH is a great manager internally. He just lacks the natural charisma externally. He had the same problem at Ajax at first. He has a thick accent even in Dutch, he's from a region where they just speak Dutch unlike anywhere else. So at first people were like; who's this weirdo and why does he come across so fragile in interviews. And then we saw how he shaped a gameplan and brought the club to levels we hadn't been in many years. With beautiful football even. In England his 'presentation problem' is even bigger considering his English quite frankly sucks. He comes across unsure and United aren't performing up to their standards. All the player ego's he had to manage also didn't help him. Especially with how much of it was discussed in the press widely. The Ronaldo and Sancho drama just kept dragging on. It doesn't help if you're also being slayed for how you present yourself on top of that. Even though that doesn't have anything to do with how things go inside the club and how the team is performing. I fear it won't be working out if he stays, but I definitely think he's good enough for the league. He needs a club with people that know what they do and internal calmness. Instead of the shithousery United has been in ever since Fergie left.
Look you know way more about Ajax. But I do struggle to see how he couldn't be considered a decent manager for that level, you didn't win the league for 6 seasons...he comes in and you win 4 in a row. I had a quick look at the Ajax reddit for him and generally what i've seen is that he did a very good job but the football was very boring and ran its course by the end of his 3rd season (even though he then went and won a 4th). Still, I'm not sure it helps your argument to say a very bad manager can win 4 league titles in a row, that may be fair at say...PSG because they're 95% sure to win it every year even with a chimp in charge but you hadn't won one for 6 seasons.
Anyway. The point was more about the HUGE difference in quality between the two leagues, and it is huge.
You obviously like him as a manager, but I think it's a stretch to say he's only been bad at Man U because of his charisma. That's a factor though ofc.
By Willkiller Go To PostLook you know way more about Ajax. But I do struggle to see how he couldn't be considered a decent manager for that level, you didn't win the league for 6 seasons…he comes in and you win 4 in a row. I had a quick look at the Ajax reddit for him and generally what i've seen is that he did a very good job but the football was very boring and ran its course by the end of his 3rd season (even though he then went and won a 4th). Still, I'm not sure it helps your argument to say a very bad manager can win 4 league titles in a row, that may be fair at say…PSG because they're 95% sure to win it every year even with a chimp in charge but you hadn't won one for 6 seasons.
Anyway. The point was more about the HUGE difference in quality between the two leagues, and it is huge.
You obviously like him as a manager, but I think it's a stretch to say he's only been bad at Man U because of his charisma. That's a factor though ofc.
I mean, if you want to ignore the fact that Manchester United is a mess of a club and has been for many years, sure. They've burned through managers faster than I'm able to cope with my FdB PTSD. So again, I think Ten Hag and Man. United just aren't a great fit. He needs stability and a board that has his back. If you take a look at all the names that have been at United and failed since Fergie left I don't think it's fair to say Ten Hag is not fit for the premier league. Big part of EtH's success at Ajax was also the great bond he had with Overmars and Van der Sar. The three of them together created a calm environment and made decisions about who to buy together. The squad as well was very well balanced. We had some incredible talent coming through the academy. As well as leaders like Tadic and Blind that had a positive influence on the entire squad. Combine that with a clear vision from EtH on how to execute it on the pitch and we had magic going for a few years.
I'm sure at some point a manager will arrive at United who is good enough to overcome their internal club struggles. And Ten Hag is not that guy clearly. But to say he's not fit for the league is not fair in my opinion.
Bringing football hyem the same month we kick the Tories out?
What a summer. Even if it's gonna piss down every day.
What a summer. Even if it's gonna piss down every day.
De Boer as a manager is not even close to to 10H, don't let Ajax eredivisie results fool you Will. Ajax football was dreadfully boring in those days even though there was no real competition. Frank just got the results and that was about it. Ten Hag wasn't wanted or liked (mostly media) early on but got better results with far better enjoyable to watch football. And when all the talent left the club due to that success he (with Overmars as TD) rebuild that squad and did it again.
As Linius mentioned, 10H problem are his stubbornness which at the same time is also a great quality (clear idea what he wants, not going to be influenced by outside noise) and having no charisma at all. Internally the way he works with his staff and players is were he is at home, so much more comfortable. The fact that even after the horrendous season that ManU had, the players still seam with him and working for him in the last few matches of the season, shows that clearly imo.
Manchester United problems are obvious structural and have been for so long. Maybe the partly new ownership will change that and they enter the modern world of football with a TD and scouting staff. A vision for the club of how you want to play football and finding a manager and players that suit that vision and build something up.
Don't think 10H can stay at the club even if he would win the FA cup and players would want him to stay, as to much damage has been done in the "media" to his character for the club to hold on to him.
He will be a great manager for Bayern if that would happen as his character, style of football would suit that club and culture a lot more.
As Linius mentioned, 10H problem are his stubbornness which at the same time is also a great quality (clear idea what he wants, not going to be influenced by outside noise) and having no charisma at all. Internally the way he works with his staff and players is were he is at home, so much more comfortable. The fact that even after the horrendous season that ManU had, the players still seam with him and working for him in the last few matches of the season, shows that clearly imo.
Manchester United problems are obvious structural and have been for so long. Maybe the partly new ownership will change that and they enter the modern world of football with a TD and scouting staff. A vision for the club of how you want to play football and finding a manager and players that suit that vision and build something up.
Don't think 10H can stay at the club even if he would win the FA cup and players would want him to stay, as to much damage has been done in the "media" to his character for the club to hold on to him.
He will be a great manager for Bayern if that would happen as his character, style of football would suit that club and culture a lot more.
This what happens when people with agendas and don't know anything are given free rein to run their mouths.
ETH has to take accountability for his part in the shitty season. But the character assassination from the word go was immediate. So, getting the fans to turn on him was pretty easy.
now people are literally rewriting what happened. apparently, the players carried him now.
ETH has to take accountability for his part in the shitty season. But the character assassination from the word go was immediate. So, getting the fans to turn on him was pretty easy.
now people are literally rewriting what happened. apparently, the players carried him now.
By Linius Go To PostI mean, if you want to ignore the fact that Manchester United is a mess of a club and has been for many years, sure. They've burned through managers faster than I'm able to cope with my FdB PTSD. So again, I think Ten Hag and Man. United just aren't a great fit. He needs stability and a board that has his back. If you take a look at all the names that have been at United and failed since Fergie left I don't think it's fair to say Ten Hag is not fit for the premier league. Big part of EtH's success at Ajax was also the great bond he had with Overmars and Van der Sar. The three of them together created a calm environment and made decisions about who to buy together. The squad as well was very well balanced. We had some incredible talent coming through the academy. As well as leaders like Tadic and Blind that had a positive influence on the entire squad. Combine that with a clear vision from EtH on how to execute it on the pitch and we had magic going for a few years.
I'm sure at some point a manager will arrive at United who is good enough to overcome their internal club struggles. And Ten Hag is not that guy clearly. But to say he's not fit for the league is not fair in my opinion.
Brother I think that's all fair. I didn't say he wasn't fit for the Premier league, I said the sample size to determine that is just too small. That was it.
Could I see ETH being successful in the league? Yes. Not at Man U though, probably not at any of the big clubs, I think a Spurs would be his ceiling...but again, that's based on two very strange seasons (for how different they've been). I can't judge him on his Ajax job because it's just too different and he himself admitted he gave up on trying to implement the same sytle.
By markao Go To PostDe Boer as a manager is not even close to to 10H, don't let Ajax eredivisie results fool you Will. Ajax football was dreadfully boring in those days even though there was no real competition. Frank just got the results and that was about it. Ten Hag wasn't wanted or liked (mostly media) early on but got better results with far better enjoyable to watch football. And when all the talent left the club due to that success he (with Overmars as TD) rebuild that squad and did it again.
As Linius mentioned, 10H problem are his stubbornness which at the same time is also a great quality (clear idea what he wants, not going to be influenced by outside noise) and having no charisma at all. Internally the way he works with his staff and players is were he is at home, so much more comfortable. The fact that even after the horrendous season that ManU had, the players still seam with him and working for him in the last few matches of the season, shows that clearly imo.
Manchester United problems are obvious structural and have been for so long. Maybe the partly new ownership will change that and they enter the modern world of football with a TD and scouting staff. A vision for the club of how you want to play football and finding a manager and players that suit that vision and build something up.
Don't think 10H can stay at the club even if he would win the FA cup and players would want him to stay, as to much damage has been done in the "media" to his character for the club to hold on to him.
He will be a great manager for Bayern if that would happen as his character, style of football would suit that club and culture a lot more.
Yeah I don't believe for a second that de Boer is anywhere near as good of a manager as ETH. De Boer was one of the worst Inter managers and his small Palace spell was famously terrible. That wasn't what I was saying at all, the only point there was I don't think his time at Ajax tells us anything about his capacity to do a job at a huge PL club.
By Dazenheimer Go To PostThis what happens when people with agendas and don't know anything are given free rein to run their mouths.
ETH has to take accountability for his part in the shitty season. But the character assassination from the word go was immediate. So, getting the fans to turn on him was pretty easy.
now people are literally rewriting what happened. apparently, the players carried him now.
What are you waffling about now?
What character assassination from the word go? People praised him for the good job he did last season. Praise he deserved. But signs for what happened this season were there, and he 100% deserves every bit of criticism that has come his way. Unfortunately for football your latest season is more important than the historical ones, and unfortunately for him he's been manager for literally your worst PL season ever
Once Will hands over Ashworth, we will heal
Will holds our panacea
He is unWilling to give it up
And for what? Money?
How tactless.
Will holds our panacea
He is unWilling to give it up
And for what? Money?
How tactless.
By barber Go To PostOh god it's gonna be SunakGive it Rishi till the end of the season
By Cleff Go To PostInterest FC
By Punished Go To PostAtalanta to win, imoNo doubt
I’m just going to be excited for our Farioli future now. Already dreading the Dutch media trying to shred him to pieces after a bad result.
Hope Leverkusen do it, tbh. On the verge of something extraordinary. Atalanta winning is amazing - but it isn’t an unbeaten fuckin treble.
By bud Go To Postxabi's fraud status has been confirmedIt's not even the 90th min yet
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1 vs 1 high press is fun, Kusen struggling with it so far
But the one time it fails an awful lot of space
But the one time it fails an awful lot of space
Is Koopmeiners being linked with Liverpool because he's Dutch or could he legitimately slot into their 11 ahead of Elliott or Jones?