The Personal Computer Thread 2024 | LCD is dead and so is Intel

Among the laptops we tested, Apple’s M3 chips still lead the pack in single-core performance, but Qualcomm’s higher-end X Elite chips are a touch faster in single-core workloads than the M2 Max chip in the early 2023 MacBook Pro — between 2 and 3 percent in our tests.

The Snapdragon chips really shine in multicore benchmarks, overtaking all the other CPUs aside from Apple’s M2 Max and M3 Max. The M3 chip in the MacBook Air only has eight cores compared to the 12 or 10 cores of the Snapdragon chips, so it makes sense why it fell behind. The 16-core M3 Max far outpaces the rest of the field, and the 12-core M2 Max is slightly faster in Cinebench 2024 multicore than the fastest X Elite chips.

Microsoft claims that its Copilot Plus PCs with Qualcomm’s Snapdragon X Elite processor will offer “20 percent more battery life than the latest MacBook Air 15-inch.” When I tested the latest 13- and 15-inch MacBook Airs, they lasted about 18 hours on a charge when I used them as I normally would during a regular week, with the display brightness set as close to 200 nits as possible.

None of the Snapdragon laptops’ batteries lasted 18 hours like the M3 Air, but most weren’t far behind, averaging 14 to 16 hours. That’s still a lot longer than most of the Intel- and AMD-based laptops I tested, with the exception of the Intel-based Samsung Galaxy Book4 Ultra, which got near identical battery life to the Snapdragon-based Galaxy Book4 Edge, at over 14 hours each.

https://www.theverge.com/24191671/copilot-plus-pcs-laptops-qualcomm-intel-amd-apple

Sad. Only beat the M3 base in multicore benchmarks because it had 12-cores versus 8-cores.

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It seems like it's much closer than every other WinARM attempt.
Their x64 emulator doesn't seem perfect though, and they really need to get that shit together

By diehard Go To PostIf running DDU doesn't do anything, try opening up the NVidia installer in 7zip, manually extract all the files, then run the setup.exe

Tried that but also didn’t work. Then he updated his motherboard BIOS and it worked normally. I’m stumped on the how or the why.

Another one of horse's twitter accounts

The Cooler Master V8

Hello lads,

It's been a min since I've posted but I finally got a PC a couple of months ago and it's been great. However, I never bothered turning on XMP.

I did so last night and it's been very unstable, I did my research and apparently 4 DIMMs can be too much for some boards?

Anyway, I've tried lowering the frequencies one by one, until I got to 3200 MHz. It would post but crash at the bios load screen.

Before I got any further, is there something potentially wrong with my computer or should I just keep lowering the frequencies?

These are the PC specs:


My BIOS is on the latest firmware and I'm having no stability issues without XMP.

Thanks.

You aren’t doing anything wrong. It’s the memory controller that is the issue. They stink with four sticks of memory for both ddr4 and ddr5 on both intel and AMD. Also, the memory controller is on the cpu and not the motherboard now.

If you have four sticks, you want them to be single rank for the best compatibility. If you have two sticks, then dual rank is usually best. I’m on mobile and can’t properly look up if CMW16GX4M2D3600C18 is dual or single rank.

The easiest thing to do, tbh, is to just use two sticks of memory. It cuts out so many issues.

I have just checked on CPU-Z and the RAM is single rank. However, it's not on the list of compatible RAM on MSI's website.

Does that mean they're not compatible parts?

I'll look into just changing the RAM to get 2 DIMMs instead though.

By SleeplessNights Go To PostI have just checked on CPU-Z and the RAM is single rank. However, it's not on the list of compatible RAM on MSI's website.

Does that mean they're not compatible parts?

I'll look into just changing the RAM to get 2 DIMMs instead though.

Those lists of motherboard-compatible memory are just what the motherboard company happened to test with and get the speeds they advertise for. Basically, everything on there should work with the motherboard at the speeds the motherboard manufacturer says because it has at some point in time. But other memory could work just as well and BIOS revisions can cause things on that compatibility list that used to work to no longer work.

So, it's a crapshoot but the compatibility list is a good place to start.

And, yeah, just using two sticks makes things so much easier.

It could also be a wink wink handshake agreement of manufacturers they want to promote.

By Kibner Go To PostThose lists of motherboard-compatible memory are just what the motherboard company happened to test with and get the speeds they advertise for. Basically, everything on there should work with the motherboard at the speeds the motherboard manufacturer says because it has at some point in time. But other memory could work just as well and BIOS revisions can cause things on that compatibility list that used to work to no longer work.

So, it's a crapshoot but the compatibility list is a good place to start.

And, yeah, just using two sticks makes things so much easier.

Cheers for the clarifications, much appreciated.

😈

900mbps has finally been installed. True ascension happening rn. Downloading games in minutes and laughing maniacally.

Still need to do some tinkering to get everything up to good speeds. Got sent two Eero Pro 6 routers. One’s plugged in downstairs and hardwired into the line. The second is the bedroom, tethered to the one downstairs via wifi I guess?


They don’t offer much connectivity for ethernet though. Only two ports on each, and only the downstairs is wired. I’m assuming I can get a fairly basic ethernet switch box to expand that? Understanding modems and routers definitely isn’t in my repertoire.

By HottestGrapes Go To Post900mbps has finally been installed. True ascension happening rn. Downloading games in minutes and laughing maniacally.

Still need to do some tinkering to get everything up to good speeds. Got sent two Eero Pro 6 routers. One’s plugged in downstairs and hardwired into the line. The second is the bedroom, tethered to the one downstairs via wifi I guess?


They don’t offer much connectivity for ethernet though. Only two ports on each, and only the downstairs is wired. I’m assuming I can get a fairly basic ethernet switch box to expand that? Understanding modems and routers definitely isn’t in my repertoire.

Yeah, Eeros are mesh routers so the second one is connected to the primary over wifi.

Yeah, specifically, I would look for an "unmanaged gigabit switch". Unmanaged means you can't manage it directly; it's dumb and will (usually) do whatever the router tells it to.

Eero is aimed at people in your situation, too. They don't expose very many options outside of the strictly necessary for 99% of home networks. And the UI is easier to understand and use than just about every other option out there.

If you get the subscription, you can enable ad blocking on the router itself. It won't block every ad, of course, but it will block the ones most often associated with malware and the like. It also has a malware blocking option. Both of these are done via using the Eero DNS servers. You won't need to configure any of your devices to work with it. It will just work.

The subscription also gives you a family license to 1Password, which is great. Also, MalwareBytes which is ok but not as needed nowadays that Windows Defender has caught up.

I think they changed the VPN that comes with the subscription? It used to be Encrypt.Me which I found to be unreliable on many devices. I think it uses Guardia VPN now?

Oh, it also offers a DDNS service. If you ever find yourself needing to send someone your ip address, you can instead use what they give you there which may be easier to remember. It doesn't look like you can customize your domain name, so it is less useful than at first glance.

Anyway, diehard here is the real expert on networking gear.

Raptor Lake is bad.

Kibner, at this point you probably know more about networking than i do lol

I got nothing to add

By Kibner Go To PostYeah, Eeros are mesh routers so the second one is connected to the primary over wifi.

Yeah, specifically, I would look for an "unmanaged gigabit switch". Unmanaged means you can't manage it directly; it's dumb and will (usually) do whatever the router tells it to.

Eero is aimed at people in your situation, too. They don't expose very many options outside of the strictly necessary for 99% of home networks. And the UI is easier to understand and use than just about every other option out there.

If you get the subscription, you can enable ad blocking on the router itself. It won't block every ad, of course, but it will block the ones most often associated with malware and the like. It also has a malware blocking option. Both of these are done via using the Eero DNS servers. You won't need to configure any of your devices to work with it. It will just work.

The subscription also gives you a family license to 1Password, which is great. Also, MalwareBytes which is ok but not as needed nowadays that Windows Defender has caught up.

I think they changed the VPN that comes with the subscription? It used to be Encrypt.Me which I found to be unreliable on many devices. I think it uses Guardia VPN now?

Oh, it also offers a DDNS service. If you ever find yourself needing to send someone your ip address, you can instead use what they give you there which may be easier to remember. It doesn't look like you can customize your domain name, so it is less useful than at first glance.

Anyway, diehard here is the real expert on networking gear.

Unmanaged gigawatt switch, got it.

I don’t think that subscription is a thing for me. Either not a UK thing or just doesn’t come with my Eero routers because they were free with the internet package.

Picked up two Asus AXE7800s when I got my fibre hookup. Have them either side of my house with a wired back haul over MoCA. Really want to drop the MoCA adapters, but I’d need to run Ethernet outside my house and down the side, because going internal feels impossible

Speaking of, they just finished pulling the fibre cable up to my indoor network cabinet. Well, it's more like a reasonably organized drawer. Those splicing machines are not as pricey as they used to be, the technician said he paid like 800€ for his, although it is a rather basic one.

I was hoping to have my gig internet up and running in a day or two, but apparently they fucked something up in one of the data centers and it'll probably be a week or two before the line is ready. I waited 20 years, so this is nothing.

Might be time to start looking into purchasing a wifi7 access point again.

By HottestGrapes Go To Post

Unmanaged gigawatt switch, got it.

I don’t think that subscription is a thing for me. Either not a UK thing or just doesn’t come with my Eero routers because they were free with the internet package.

If the UK supports it, you would need to find it inside the Eero app you use to control the routers. For me, it is found at: Settings -> Account settings -> eero Plus subscription.

By diehard Go To PostKibner, at this point you probably know more about networking than i do lol

I got nothing to add

hah, doubtful. Especially on the configuration side.

Nothing in there for me. I’m not fussed really, apart from the ad blocker I don’t think I’d use the rest of the subscription features.

Just happy to have fast internet finally. Decent price too, I was paying £25 a month for 60mbps. Now I’m paying £37 for 900mbps

What speeds are you getting horse?

60mbps (bad).

I've looked into getting better as they have installed fibre in my area but because I live in a block of flats the building owners need to lift a finger and get it actually installed. To do that they need individual flat owners to canvass for it and that is highly unlikely particularly with so many renters around here.

So barring a miracle I don't expect to get anything gud any time soon unless I sell up and move.

Be a man and forge the signatures of the other owners.

Be a man and install it yourself. Zabo would have.

Remember Cavallo, all this, including the kids park that will probably put you on a pedo watch list, can still be yours for ... let's say 300€.



Up to ~800mbit of clean, cancer free 5G internet.

I'll be sad to see it go, put way too much time and effort into this project, only to have it rendered obsolete mere months after completion.

IDK man that looks like you're pointing the 5G cancer causing cells directly at the children's playground

It only casues COVID and kids are pretty much immune to it. I say it's fair game.

By HottestGrapes Go To PostNothing in there for me. I’m not fussed really, apart from the ad blocker I don’t think I’d use the rest of the subscription features.

Just happy to have fast internet finally. Decent price too, I was paying £25 a month for 60mbps. Now I’m paying £37 for 900mbps

Dang. Well, if you really want the ad block stuff and you want to tinker with Linux and/or having a home server, pick up a cheap Raspberry Pi or other smol computer (something based off N100 from BeeLink or MinisForum) and install PiHole, either through the package manager of whatever system you are using or by using the Docker image via Docker, Podman, or some other container software: https://github.com/pi-hole/docker-pi-hole/

You would point your router to the Pi for DNS which will make all your devices use the PiHole for DNS, which then blocks all the ads based off their url.

Why does Zabo have a star war robot in his window?

Disney's SW output impressed me so much I simply had to.

zabo, Formlabs bought Micronics. RIP affordable SLS printing

The ad blocker is available for me. No subscription required, it just wasn’t toggled on. It was under the discover tab in the Eero app.

By HottestGrapes Go To PostThe ad blocker is available for me. No subscription required, it just wasn’t toggled on. It was under the discover tab in the Eero app.

Awesome!

Intel 13th + 14th gen reliability issues discourse seems to be snowballing.

Smokey, I hope this post reaches you on your private island summer retreat. Intel need your help.

Is smart queue management something I should enable on my network? From what I gathered so far, it balances the bandwidth between devices instead of one device getting full bandwidth priority?

By HottestGrapes Go To PostIs smart queue management something I should enable on my network? From what I gathered so far, it balances the bandwidth between devices instead of one device getting full bandwidth priority?

Try without for a bit. Because you’re just using this at home, your congestion might not actually warrant putting any extra processing in the middle

By HottestGrapes Go To PostIs smart queue management something I should enable on my network? From what I gathered so far, it balances the bandwidth between devices instead of one device getting full bandwidth priority?

It can be useful if you are downloading a Steam game or whatever at full gigabit speeds and your partner is trying to do something like watch a streaming show. It could cause excessive buffering or a laggy experience for them. Oh, or if someone is on a FaceTime call or similar; that could be bad, too.

If you don’t do something like that, then you won’t notice a difference. I don’t know what the downside to enabling it is, tbh. Device compatibility, maybe? A tiny bit of extra latency?

Also, jesal is right in that most home users won’t need it.

Those are common conditions for us to be fair. I used to leave my PC or Steam Deck downloading over night so it didn’t effect her if she was playing Fortnite or watching something.

I’ll go without for now and toggle it on if I still see issues.

Speaking of issues. What’s the deal with Xbox and their shitty download speeds?
My Steam Deck over WiFi does 600mbps, my phone over WiFi does 600-900mbps depending on where I am in the house.
My Series X that’s wired to the main router is doing anywhere from 200-800mbps, but generally it’s between 200-400.

Same story with the Series S but I figured that was just because it’s connected to the secondary router upstairs.

Are Microsoft just basura for download speeds?

The Xbox had the worst download speeds, and more irritatingly used to throttle when you had a game running. I assumed they changed that

I think I’ve fixed them. Settings > network > advance > QoS tagging > enable DSCP tagging

Since doing that on both, I’m getting near full speeds. 800-900 on the Series X (fully wired connection), 600-900 on the Series S (wired to the wireless router). It’s much more stable.

Might just be pure coincidence and Microsoft’s servers have just blessed me since complaining. Maybe Smokey put a good word in for me.

Edit: Spoke too soon. Back into the 200-400 range.

That's just how Xbox servers have always been since OG Xbox days if you change the DNS on the Xbox to something US based like 8.8.8.8 or 1.1.1.1 it speeds ups.

By Zabojnik Go To PostIntel 13th + 14th gen reliability issues discourse seems to be snowballing.

Smokey, I hope this post reaches you on your private island summer retreat. Intel need your help.

👀

We are so back.

New keyboard has arrived.



Out of the box impressions:
- small enter key is going to take some getting used to, I keep hitting the key above it
- pleasingly marbly sound in the default configuration, might not even bother tinkering with its layers too much
- right alt key isn't altgr, hopefully that's easily changed
- height / angle seems very comfortable, I was afraid it'd need a wrist rest, tbd
- it's a way lighter shade of purple than I expected, but I don't hate it; will swap out the keycap set with a darker one to counter
- screen is whatever, the software isn't great

So far, I like it. I'm just glad to have my F-keys row back.

I do like the colors.