FF16 was released at a pretty good period
Rebirth is not at all a super DLC, if anything its a super stuffed giga sequel lol.
Rebirth is not at all a super DLC, if anything its a super stuffed giga sequel lol.
What does everyone think will happen re production costs for games? This is unsustainable surely. I really think there should be a bigger scale in pricing for games. Only real way forward imo
By Kidjr Go To PostWhat does everyone think will happen re production costs for games? This is unsustainable surely. I really think there should be a bigger scale in pricing for games. Only real way forward imo
Would rather see the CEO's and shareholders taking a more reasonable cut instead of sucking millions out of their companies and then asking customers to pay more with the fucking rinse of increasing prices further. We've gone from £40 new PS4 releases to £70 new PS5 releases in a 3 year span.
By Kidjr Go To PostWhat does everyone think will happen re production costs for games? This is unsustainable surely. I really think there should be a bigger scale in pricing for games. Only real way forward imo
The big publishers will go all in on live services. The only publishers that survive will have 1-2 successful live services and the rest go bust.
AAA single player games become a rarity.
By HottestGrapes Go To PostThe big publishers will go all in on live services. The only publishers that survive will have 1-2 successful live services and the rest go bust.Trolling?
By Patriotism Go To PostWould rather see the CEO's and shareholders taking a more reasonable cut instead of sucking millions out of their companies and then asking customers to pay more with the fucking rinse of increasing prices further. We've gone from £40 new PS4 releases to £70 new PS5 releases in a 3 year span.
when hell freezes over. fucking bottom-feeder suits and their endless greed.
By Patriotism Go To PostWould rather see the CEO's and shareholders taking a more reasonable cut instead of sucking millions out of their companies and then asking customers to pay more with the fucking rinse of increasing prices further. We've gone from £40 new PS4 releases to £70 new PS5 releases in a 3 year span.
Im with you, the theory sounds nice but I think that change is a much deeper and broader fight. It wouldnt happen in time for us to not end up here:
By HottestGrapes Go To PostThe big publishers will go all in on live services. The only publishers that survive will have 1-2 successful live services and the rest go bust.
AAA single player games become a rarity.
This gen has been frighteningly bad, I dont have the stats but we are down bad on single player games this gen.
They should also make gen longer, much longer. I wouldnt think about brining out a ps6 before 2033 and even then, that could be too soon. It would bring costs down, wed get quicker dev cycles and youd create a nice batch of AA games that do well.
I think consoles have outlived defined generations at this point. Most of the most played games are all last gen releases, and one of them (GTAV) came out originally on the PS3/360.
Generations just don’t make sense anymore.
Generations just don’t make sense anymore.
The general gaming market and advance in new tech marches to the beat of the generational shift.
Just cause Rockstar decided to coast on gta online doesn't mean we should all stand still.
Just cause Rockstar decided to coast on gta online doesn't mean we should all stand still.
Pretty interesting that it is up in the US vs down everywhere else. Probably has days more about Xbox than anything.
By jjasper Go To PostThey sent stock during the shortages to the US more than the rest of the world, so it did pretty well for the past few years.
Pretty interesting that it is up in the US vs down everywhere else. Probably has days more about Xbox than anything.
They just didnt account that people would rather wait for the PS5 to drop in price now. That's probably not gonna happen in a permanent form.
By Dazenheimer Go To PostWhat utter nonsense.The most played PS5 games as of March are as follows:
The general gaming market and advance in new tech marches to the beat of the generational shift.
Just cause Rockstar decided to coast on gta online doesn't mean we should all stand still.
Fortnite, Call of Duty, GTAV, FC24, Roblox, Roblox Rocket League, R6 Siege, Helldivers 2, Minecraft and NBA2K24
Metacritic has 4 out of the top 5 PS5 as cross gen games. Elden Ring, Witcher 3, God of War Ragnorok, and Hades. 2nd place is the outlier, Baldur’s Gate 3.
So who wants to see the technical envelope pushed exactly? The people playing games don’t seem to care much given what’s being played. The people reviewing games likewise.
By Kidjr Go To PostWhat does everyone think will happen re production costs for games? This is unsustainable surely. I really think there should be a bigger scale in pricing for games. Only real way forward imonothing, it will just keep ballooning because rich people don't know how to actually do anything besides throw more money at something
They don't understand why other games sell more nor do they have realistic expectations for their sales.
By Dazenheimer Go To PostThe general gaming market and advance in new tech marches to the beat of the generational shift.There really hasn’t been anything transformative since motion controls and touchscreens and that was only for a single generation in both handheld and console.
Just cause Rockstar decided to coast on gta online doesn't mean we should all stand still.
We are still mostly getting things that could be scaled down to the PS2 era, with few exceptions.
Begrudge paying £60 for a full game, happily spend £20 on a single Billie Eilish skin in Fortnite
I can see why you'd chase that money.
Will also happily pay £40 for a meal that takes an hour to make. Games take like 4-7 years now.
I can see why you'd chase that money.
Will also happily pay £40 for a meal that takes an hour to make. Games take like 4-7 years now.
By Lego Go To PostBegrudge paying £60 for a full game, happily spend £20 on a single Billie Eilish skin in FortniteYou can’t put a price on playing as Billie and dancing on your fallen foes
I can see why you'd chase that money
By Dazenheimer Go To PostPS2 era?Yeah, I have. The best of that era has long been my bar for acceptable 3d graphics.
What?
Have you played a ps2 game recently?
By JesalR Go To PostShareholders need new yatchs.
Seems reasonable. Cue 15K layoffs
By FortuneFaded Go To PostNothing that was on the ps2 couldn’t be scaled down to the nes.Nah, the NES couldn't do 3D graphics to the point that a 3D action game was possible. The SNES couldn't either (Starfox). The N64 can but couldn't really do online multiplayer. The PS2/Xbox/GCN were all able to have full 3D games at acceptable framerates with online. They could have open worlds with streaming assets and even run 3D MMOs.
Very few games since then take advantage of the hardware to offer new experiences. It's generally just been more polished graphics without changing core gameplay.
By Kibner Go To PostYeah, I have. The best of that era has long been my bar for acceptable 3d graphics.I always knew u were the chosen one.
I KNEW IT IN MY HEART.
PS2 bois assemble.
Hate to champion Siege, but I don’t think the type of destruction they used could’ve been scaled down to the PS2 or even PS3. It’s too granular, and it’s a core part of the gameplay.
Rare Ubisoft W for utilising the hardware in a meaningful way.
Rare Ubisoft W for utilising the hardware in a meaningful way.
Cool, but Red Faction didn’t offer fine detail destruction. You could shoot a single bullet hole through multiple walls in Siege, and use it as a line of sight from several rooms away.
I say could, it was patched due to the 1080plebs not being able to see where they were being shot from.
Still punch holes exist, different bullet calibres cause different levels of destruction (which plays into weapon balance), explosives take out large chunks to whole walls or floors, etc.
It’s all integral to the gameplay, which is why the macro destruction like in Red Faction, or Black, or the Bad Company games, just don’t come close in comparison. They all did cool destruction models, but just not the same type or for the same reason.
I say could, it was patched due to the 1080plebs not being able to see where they were being shot from.
Still punch holes exist, different bullet calibres cause different levels of destruction (which plays into weapon balance), explosives take out large chunks to whole walls or floors, etc.
It’s all integral to the gameplay, which is why the macro destruction like in Red Faction, or Black, or the Bad Company games, just don’t come close in comparison. They all did cool destruction models, but just not the same type or for the same reason.
By jjasper Go To PostRebirth is awesome and pretty easily the best FF in almost 2 decades but is it is a sequel to a sequel that you need to have played (plus a prequel) to fully get it. Like I can't imagine anyone playing rebirth that has never played any other 7 games. Meanwhile XVI was like 3 amazing sequences sprinkled into a below average character action game.
Opinions an all, but rebirth is not … awesome. It’s a mixed bag with plenty of bad in the bag
By Crusher Go To PostLike FF7 remake but have next to zero interest in playing Rebirth.Shame, it makes remake feel like a technical exploration on whether a ff7 remake could be possible.
By HottestGrapes Go To PostHate to champion Siege, but I don’t think the type of destruction they used could’ve been scaled down to the PS2 or even PS3. It’s too granular, and it’s a core part of the gameplay.Yeah, things like that are one of the few exceptions.
Rare Ubisoft W for utilising the hardware in a meaningful way.
Big budget games will die and all we will be left with is indie devs with vampire survivor clones, hades clones and 2d 'souls likes'
By data Go To PostBig budget games will die and all we will be left with is indie devs with vampire survivor clones, hades clones and 2d 'souls likes'I can think of worse fates.
Route B lets go
By data Go To PostBig budget games will die and all we will be left with is indie devs with vampire survivor clones, hades clones and 2d 'souls likes'No prob
By Kibner Go To PostYeah, things like that are one of the few exceptions.
Besides that, I can’t really think of anything else that has meaningfully changed in games because of hardware advances since the PS2 era.
A lot of stuff is just bigger or prettier now.
By C4-621 Go To Post
These headlines annoy me because anyone that has modded Fallout/Elder Scrolls knows full well that the script extender needs to be patched when there’s a game update. It’s the norm, and says nothing to the incompetence of Bethesda.
If they wanna really show Bethesda’s incompetence, they need only to rattle of a list of all the bugs and glitches that haven’t been addressed after nearly 9 years despite all the patches it has received.
By HottestGrapes Go To Postanyone that has modded Fallout/Elder ScrollsThat's just you and me m9
By inky Go To PostThat's just you and me m9
We both know there’s thousands of people playing Fallout right now with the finest BBL mods on the planet.
By HottestGrapes Go To PostBesides that, I can’t really think of anything else that has meaningfully changed in games because of hardware advances since the PS2 era.Yup. And you can't even really talk much about advanced lighting models and shit because you had the Splinter Cell series on Xbox and also the Thief games of the era.
A lot of stuff is just bigger or prettier now.
There might be an argument for some games that have sophisticated AI for more than a handful of NPC's at a time.
By Kibner Go To PostYup. And you can't even really talk much about advanced lighting models and shit because you had the Splinter Cell series on Xbox and also the Thief games of the era.
There might be an argument for some games that have sophisticated AI for more than a handful of NPC's at a time.
I think k you could argue that story driven games have benefitted from the upgrades. Don’t think TLOU would be the same on the PS2. Audio another portion, but that may require the user having a 5.1 system or a bitchen headset. Certain atmospheres benefit from graphical improvements too. The more detailed a fromsoft game gets the more creepy things are to me. A ton of the enjoyment I’m having in ghost of tsunima is marveling at how gorgeous it is while I explore.
Fidelity is absolutely something I care about some of the time, and others not. I love don’t starve, and come back to it still. Hades and price of Persia more examples.
By Fenderputty Go To PostI think k you could argue that story driven games have benefitted from the upgrades. Don’t think TLOU would be the same on the PS2. Audio another portion, but that may require the user having a 5.1 system or a bitchen headset. Certain atmospheres benefit from graphical improvements too. The more detailed a fromsoft game gets the more creepy things are to me. A ton of the enjoyment I’m having in ghost of tsunima is marveling at how gorgeous it is while I explore.3D audio and surround was available back in that era, too. 3D audio fell into a hiatus between Windows Vista and ~Overwatch release date but was a thing throughout the latter part of the 90s and into the early 2000s.
Fidelity is absolutely something I care about some of the time, and others not. I love don’t starve, and come back to it still. Hades and price of Persia more examples.
People were hella immersed and creeped out by the Silent Hill and Resident Evil games on the PS2 and GCN. But there haven't really been any horror games that I can think of since that added new forms of gameplay to the horror genre. The closest is maybe the dismemberment in Deadspace but I think even that would look good enough with Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory levels of detail.
I did accidentally leave VR out of the discussion. It has never really reached as much mainstream acceptance as touch screen or motion controls, though. It does lead to new possibilities but is ultimately just an accessory. PS2/Xbox/GCN level graphics in VR would still work well. Hell, most of the current VR games aren't much beyond that right now, tbh.
I guess I’m saying that new mechanics haven’t come, but rather atmosphere and ability to immerse one in a story. I realize some of those older games freaked people out but that’s all there was at the time. Release two horror games side by side today, one with modern graphics and one with 90’s graphics and all else being equal, the modern game will have more impact.
And again, the fidelity thing isn’t going to make a game good. A polished turd is still a turd. It does mean the turd hurts the pockets of those making the game more though. A big swing and a big miss.
And again, the fidelity thing isn’t going to make a game good. A polished turd is still a turd. It does mean the turd hurts the pockets of those making the game more though. A big swing and a big miss.