By DY_nasty Go To PostGlad someone decided to tell them the truth.
basketball terrorist jordan poole vs. 2023 evan turner cade cunningham and the 6 centers
the shameball classic is back
By Red Blaster Go To PostIf both teams don't finish with 160+ points everyone should get a refund.
basketball terrorist jordan poole vs. 2023 evan turner cade cunningham and the 6 centers
the shameball classic is back
By Rob Go To PostCan’t even see the thread since I don’t have an x account.Twitter, fuck X.
Musk loves to make it less likely for new people to join while also actively dissuading people from staying. A true businss visionary.
By Rob Go To PostCan’t even see the thread since I don’t have an x account.Just a thread pointing out a pretty well-known phenomenon, which is that Luka is one of the biggest advanced stat padders in the history of the NBA. Advanced stat padding is where one season RAPM estimators with a box score prior (which is pretty much all the ones people commonly cite, like BPM, EPM, DPM, LeBron, Raptor, etc.) think he's a top 10 player, but RAPM itself (the thing they're trying to estimate) thinks he's just like... a good rotation player. For almost every player, this evens out when you add more seasons of data to RAPM and the box score estimators, they eventually roughly converge (with maybe some disagreement on defense, but not a huge amount--for instance Jokic actually fares pretty well in defensive RAPM, even though people liked to talk about how the box score estimators just thought he was good but he wasn't really). But for Luka, it never does, he's just spent his entire career being wildly overrated by RAPM estimators by an insane margin. For example, this year he is close to 100th in time decay RAPM, but top 10 ish in every advanced stat with a box score prior, and that kind of extreme difference is not even very atypical for him.
In plain English this basically just means his box score numbers look like those of a guy who's extremely impactful to his team when he's on the court, but his team doesn't actually perform that much better with him on, and never has, even when you adjust for how good his bench has been, or how bad the other starters he plays with are, or turn over basically the whole rest of the team multiple times to "get him help," or change who's coaching him, or even put him in a totally different league. The main reasons I've seen proposed for this are mostly a function of a combination of bad conditioning and deliberate stat padding (for instance, hunting for easy rebounds his team would have gotten anyway instead of running in transition to generate more efficient offense for the team, boosting his own rebound stats to the detriment of the team's overall offense and without measurably improving their defense).
How does what Luka is doing compare to Westbrook on OKC post-Durant? The rebounding bit actually stands out to me because of Westbrook. All of the shine Westbrook got off of being a triple-double guy where it was clear to anyone that watched any small number of OKC games was that the bigs (especially Steven Adams) did a lot of work to secure the rebound on behalf of Westbrook.
Westbrook's REB% plummeted the moment he left OKC (outside of that one year in Washington which deployed a similar scheme).
Westbrook's REB% plummeted the moment he left OKC (outside of that one year in Washington which deployed a similar scheme).
By reilo Go To PostHow does what Luka is doing compare to Westbrook on OKC post-Durant?Westbrook was wildly overrated by BPM for his MVP season, which actually prompted a change in how BPM was computed, but his overall RAPM numbers were pretty much in line with what the other estimators said and he was still really impactful that year. From 2015-2018 (yes it includes one KD year, but you need three years to make RAPM accurate and he fell off hard after his MVP season) he was an estimated +4.1 / 100 possessions by RAPM, which was 12th in the NBA. If Luka were around that range I don't think people would be grumbling that much, the problem is he's not remotely close.
The rebounding bit actually stands out to me because of Westbrook. All of the shine Westbrook got off of being a triple-double guy where it was clear to anyone that watched any small number of OKC games was that the bigs (especially Steven Adams) did a lot of work to secure the rebound on behalf of Westbrook.Yeah to be clear, he was definitely an advanced stat padder too that year, just not to nearly the same extent and for most of his career the box score stats and impact stats agreed. It's true that if you take just 2016-2019 RAPM estimates him at only +2.5 which is closer to Luka territory, but that also captures the first two years of his decline as a player while Luka should be entering his prime soon. I think the difference with Westbrook comes down to stamina / conditioning, he always played super hard and ran in transition every time, so him grabbing unnecessary rebounds and taking the ball up every possession wasn't as detrimental to the team offense. Also he's a massively better defender than Luka, Luka's three-year defensive RAPM is almost the same as Dame's.
Westbrook's REB% plummeted the moment he left OKC (outside of that one year in Washington which deployed a similar scheme).
Speaking of, where's Dames +/- / 100 in that regard? If anyone had an argument for "no help" it's him lol
By reilo Go To PostSpeaking of, where's Dames +/- / 100 in that regard? If anyone had an argument for "no help" it's him lolHe's +3.3 overall over the last three years. His offense only RAPM is +5.1, which is pretty much the same as Jokic's. And he'd been getting better basically every year, too, since his offense kept improving faster than his defense declined, but this year may finally reverse that trend :(
Can you exclude his injury year and include the year prior ('20-21) instead?
He always starts seasons slow, he'll get his offense back up to his standard by February I reckon.
He always starts seasons slow, he'll get his offense back up to his standard by February I reckon.
By reilo Go To PostCan you exclude his injury year and include the year prior ('20-21) instead?I don't think so with the site I'm currently using (at some point I'll probably set up my own RAPM tool so I can find this stuff myself since I'm interested in some nonstandard stuff). I would guess it would be significantly better though.
He always starts seasons slow, he'll get his offense back up to his standard by February I reckon.
The Wolves won a game last night they should've won and they gave up less than 100 points again.
Someone please tell me how I'm supposed to process this because I mostly just keep waiting for the bottom to fall out.
Someone please tell me how I'm supposed to process this because I mostly just keep waiting for the bottom to fall out.
By rodeoclown Go To PostThe Wolves won a game last night they should've won and they gave up less than 100 points again.I've just been enjoying the Timberwolves Brazil content.
Someone please tell me how I'm supposed to process this because I mostly just keep waiting for the bottom to fall out.
By rodeoclown Go To PostThe Wolves won a game last night they should've won and they gave up less than 100 points again.winning teams are fun
Someone please tell me how I'm supposed to process this because I mostly just keep waiting for the bottom to fall out.
celebrate after every win, imo. it rules
I get not running up the score when there is no incentive to, but if an incentive is added then whats the problem? If you dont want to get embarrassed then try for the whole game. If youre getting embarrassed while trying then proper sportsmanship should be the least of your concerns.
By pilonv1 Go To PostUnwritten rules are dumb unless they exist to stop people getting hurtSo you're not a fan of chokeholds from behind
I saw the rage in Gobert's eyes, he could have hurt severely hurt someone if he Draymond hadn't intervened.
By DY_nasty Go To Postmalika getting flamed up. unfortunate
lol I forgot she asked Miller about the gun thing at the draft
Portland's offense looking far more passable for longer stretches now that they have two NBA-caliber PGs available
By reilo Go To PostPortland's offense looking far more passable for longer stretches now that they have two NBA-caliber PGs availableyou never know how much it matters until you have forwards out there trying to set up offense...
By knux-future Go To Postyou never know how much it matters until you have forwards out there trying to set up offense…I've seen enough Raptors games the last two seasons to know it matters
