By Pac-2 Go To PostPut some respeck on Max Ingram's nameHe ain't getting another one from the Pels, I know that much.
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I liked the introspection from NAW here:
Pelicans immediately saying they won’t give Ingram a super max was hilarious
That’d give me motivation to destroy them moving forward
Pistons are calling
That’d give me motivation to destroy them moving forward
Pistons are calling
By friskySHOOKface Go To PostPelicans immediately saying they won’t give Ingram a super max was hilariousPeople keep mocking Buzelis to the Pistons because apparently his agent is the son of their vice chairman... I really hope for their sake that's not true because he's been outright bad in the G league. Like legitimately not good at anything except maybe on ball defense, which is notoriously unreliable as an indicator of pro performance. He is tall and athletic and the G league is difficult, so there's always the chance he turns out to be good in the NBA despite being bad there I guess, but Detroit never hits on these mystery box projects and desperately need things he can't provide (like actual spacing).
That’d give me motivation to destroy them moving forward
Pistons are calling
By Sharp Go To PostPeople keep mocking Buzelis to the Pistons because apparently his agent is the son of their vice chairman… I really hope for their sake that's not true because he's been outright bad in the G league. Like legitimately not good at anything except maybe on ball defense, which is notoriously unreliable as an indicator of pro performance. He is tall and athletic and the G league is difficult, so there's always the chance he turns out to be good in the NBA despite being bad there I guess, but Detroit never hits on these mystery box projects and desperately need things he can't provide (like actual spacing).
On the list of "guys I don't get at all" in the draft, he's probably public enemy #1. But also, Sarr's probably going first this year and that's a close second to say the least. Both are too skinny with questionable tangibles but hey, Sarr can jump high, right? Buzelis doesn't even have that.
Then again, I'm also a weirdo that thinks drafting young is probably a bad thing in a draft like this one where there's no obvious athletic freaks. Particularly when you have a guy with bankable skills. So my top picks are like Clingan, Sheppard, Castle, Knecht, DaSilva, Holmes... you get the idea.
(To be fair to EU prospects, I don't have a good way to watch them)
I watched Buzelis play the Remix in the G-League and he was plain bad. Same with Ron Holland. Small sample size but to say I was unimpressed was probably an understatement.
By Christberg Go To PostOn the list of "guys I don't get at all" in the draft, he's probably public enemy #1. But also, Sarr's probably going first this year and that's a close second to say the least. Both are too skinny with questionable tangibles but hey, Sarr can jump high, right? Buzelis doesn't even have that.I'm not a big Holland or Sarr fan, but Buzelis is closer to like... do not draft tier for me. I legitimately don't know if he'd be considered a first round pick if he played in college. But he was somewhere between 2 and 6 in the pre-combine "mock" by NBA teams, so clearly teams don't feel that way (though this is the first year of that so who knows how much it translates to the actual draft, especially this year with very little consensus on the top players). I have to imagine that either it's another "teams have access to way more data on G league prospects than we do and disagree with the masses" situation, or teams have collectively decided to just ignore G league Ignite production entirely and are just evaluating him based on his high school play (kinda like Shaedon Sharpe, who went seventh in a better draft).
Then again, I'm also a weirdo that thinks drafting young is probably a bad thing in a draft like this one where there's no obvious athletic freaks. Particularly when you have a guy with bankable skills. So my top picks are like Clingan, Sheppard, Castle, Knecht, DaSilva, Holmes… you get the idea.
(To be fair to EU prospects, I don't have a good way to watch them)
I watched Buzelis play the Remix in the G-League and he was plain bad. Same with Ron Holland. Small sample size but to say I was unimpressed was probably an understatement.
Like I said I do think it's possible he could be a good player because he's tall and fast, he just seems way more likely to be one of the guys Steve Clifford was talking about who keep getting playing time because a team wants to justify taking him so high. Also the "he only started playing ball in seventh grade!" stuff doesn't move me, I don't think starting late predicts outlier career trajectories unless you start way later (like Edey or Embiid) and actually show meaningful year to year progression (which Buzelis hasn't).
By friskySHOOKface Go To PostPelicans immediately saying they won’t give Ingram a super max was hilariousIf only it had given Ingram the motivation to take the half-dozen open 3s he passed up each game.
That’d give me motivation to destroy them moving forward
Pistons are calling
By Sharp Go To PostI'm not a big Holland or Sarr fan, but Buzelis is closer to like… do not draft tier for me. I legitimately don't know if he'd be considered a first round pick if he played in college. But he was somewhere between 2 and 6 in the pre-combine "mock" by NBA teams, so clearly teams don't feel that way (though this is the first year of that so who knows how much it translates to the actual draft, especially this year with very little consensus on the top players). I have to imagine that either it's another "teams have access to way more data on G league prospects than we do and disagree with the masses" situation, or teams have collectively decided to just ignore G league Ignite production entirely and are just evaluating him based on his high school play (kinda like Shaedon Sharpe, who went seventh in a better draft).
Like I said I do think it's possible he could be a good player because he's tall and fast, he just seems way more likely to be one of the guys Steve Clifford was talking about who keep getting playing time because a team wants to justify taking him so high. Also the "he only started playing ball in seventh grade!" stuff doesn't move me, I don't think starting late predicts outlier career trajectories unless you start way later (like Edey or Embiid) and actually show meaningful year to year progression (which Buzelis hasn't).
Agreed, with the big caveat here that Sharpe has a bonkers athletic profile that Matas Buzelis can only dream of.
I didn't know what to think of the Sharpe pick when it happened, but 2 games into preseason I was like "yeah, I get it- this kid is fast as hell and can jump like hardly anybody else" and I just don't see that here.
(None of this means Sharpe is going to be a star- hopefully he stays healthy next year because the little bit of healthy play I saw this year amounted to the kind of massive leap you want from somebody who turns out to be one.)
By friskySHOOKface Go To PostFoul merchant SGA won’t ever be praised by a lot of fans
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This is true, watching him play makes me want the Mavs to win.
13 year old confidently told me yesterday SGA is the best player in the league and Jokic is only good in the post
By You got 14 bricks right there? Go To PostThis is true, watching him play makes me want the Mavs to win.Luka's constant bitching though
By diehard Go To PostLuka's constant bitching though
I can deal with whining cause it sometimes hurts his team, this right here though?
LOOK AT THAT MAN'S FACE!!!
By You got 14 bricks right there? Go To PostThis is true, watching him play makes me want the Mavs to win.
It's hard for me to want the Mavs to win, but this series is a battle of who has the most shameful foul baiting garbage that I hate watching, and SGA is actually winning over Doncic which is saying something.
By You got 14 bricks right there? Go To PostDemonic
Tried to think about who teams are actually likely to take (of the top 10 pre-combine draft invites) and it's kinda grim...
Honestly think I'd rather be in that 8-10 spot than picking 4-7, because I really don't think the bottom tier of those consensus guys is likely to turn out better than the top tier of non consensus guys.
- 1. Hawks - Sarr
- 2. Wizards - Topic / Clingan (or basically anyone, the new front office might throw a curveball).
- 3. Rockets - Reed, Clingan / Risacher (or trade the pick).
- 4. Spurs - Reed / Risacher, Castle (outside shot of Dillingham, Buzelis / Holland if they're dumb).
- 5. Pistons - Matas (or whoever they think "BPA" is, unless it's Topic).
- 6. Hornets - no clue honestly except that it's not going to be Topic and probably not Dillingham or Knecht… Dy?
- 7. Blazers - Castle / Risacher, Clingan if available (followed by whoever is left who isn't a guard).
- 8. Spurs - depends on pick #4, but either best guard or best wing who's still available (if none: probably Knecht or Holland).
- 9. Memphis - Edey / Knecht (based on who they usually like, but they'll definitely also snap up Clingan or Reed if they fall).
- 10. Jazz - the guy at the top of Pelton's blended rankings out of whoever's left. So probably Edey, Ja'Kobe Walter, or Johnny Furphy if it's not one of the consensus guys that slipped.
Honestly think I'd rather be in that 8-10 spot than picking 4-7, because I really don't think the bottom tier of those consensus guys is likely to turn out better than the top tier of non consensus guys.
By Sharp Go To PostTried to think about who teams are actually likely to take (of the top 10 pre-combine draft invites) and it's kinda grim…If we were picking at #3, it was gonna be Castle. If we had #1, we'd probably trade back for Castle. At 6 - its likely Castle is still there so probably Castle.
Honestly think I'd rather be in that 8-10 spot than picking 4-7, because I really don't think the bottom tier of those consensus guys is likely to turn out better than the top tier of non consensus guys.
Clingan is the dark horse only because we have a big overseas that the old FO was kinda in love with. Maybe Cody Williams gets his hype train back on the rails. Outside chance of Tidjane Saluan too.
By Sharp Go To PostTried to think about who teams are actually likely to take (of the top 10 pre-combine draft invites) and it's kinda grim…You don't think Cody or Holland aren't going top 10?
- 1. Hawks - Sarr
- 2. Wizards - Topic / Clingan (or basically anyone, the new front office might throw a curveball).
- 3. Rockets - Reed, Clingan / Risacher (or trade the pick).
- 4. Spurs - Reed / Risacher, Castle (outside shot of Dillingham, Buzelis / Holland if they're dumb).
- 5. Pistons - Matas (or whoever they think "BPA" is, unless it's Topic).
- 6. Hornets - no clue honestly except that it's not going to be Topic and probably not Dillingham or Knecht… Dy?
- 7. Blazers - Castle / Risacher, Clingan if available (followed by whoever is left who isn't a guard).
- 8. Spurs - depends on pick #4, but either best guard or best wing who's still available (if none: probably Knecht or Holland).
- 9. Memphis - Edey / Knecht (based on who they usually like, but they'll definitely also snap up Clingan or Reed if they fall).
- 10. Jazz - the guy at the top of Pelton's blended rankings out of whoever's left. So probably Edey, Ja'Kobe Walter, or Johnny Furphy if it's not one of the consensus guys that slipped.
Honestly think I'd rather be in that 8-10 spot than picking 4-7, because I really don't think the bottom tier of those consensus guys is likely to turn out better than the top tier of non consensus guys.
cody needs to start blowing teams away in private workouts immediately to get his face back. and holland was probably never that skilled in the first place
By DY_nasty Go To Postcody needs to start blowing teams away in private workouts immediately to get his face back. and holland was probably never that skilled in the first placeThat's pretty much the entire draft outside of Reed and maybe Sarr.
By blackace Go To PostThat's pretty much the entire draft outside of Reed and maybe Sarr.no like for real. it'd be one thing if he was even the athlete as advertised, but he's not - and then you see him drive and.... yeah. timestamped
this is "i don't actually know how to play organized basketball" stuff. that's a lot of game tape to unsee.
no one should be okay with drafting bad g-league players in the lottery
By blackace Go To PostYou don't think Cody or Holland aren't going top 10?Cody wasn't in the top 10 invites to the combine (which is kind of like the NBA teams' official mock draft) and grades out super terribly in stat based models... of course so did Risacher lol. I saw someone say that Risacher and Cody should be ranked close to each other in every mock draft like the Thompson twins were and it might be true, but the league doesn't seem to agree. Probably just residual French bias overflowing from the Wemby draft to be honest.
Holland was invited so I guess he's probably going top 10 or close to it, maybe? I'm just not sure who's excited about him so he feels like a back half of the lottery guy people take when nobody else is available. He definitely has some big fans among people who follow the draft, but most of them were being like "wait for the combine! He's an elite athlete and secretly a good shooter and is going to blow everyone away" and he didn't really AFAIK.
By reilo Go To PostDefinitely heard quite a bit of "stay away from Holland" talk. What even is the argument for him?dominated some of the U16/17 and hoop summit showcases.
against g-league comp he was a mess though
K N I C K S win a back and forth game due to the hyped crowd
Nuggs blow out Goober because he plays 35+ minutes
Nuggs blow out Goober because he plays 35+ minutes
By Sharp Go To PostCody wasn't in the top 10 invites to the combine (which is kind of like the NBA teams' official mock draft) and grades out super terribly in stat based models… of course so did Risacher lol. I saw someone say that Risacher and Cody should be ranked close to each other in every mock draft like the Thompson twins were and it might be true, but the league doesn't seem to agree. Probably just residual French bias overflowing from the Wemby draft to be honest.i think hollinger has him #1 - but his write up was a lot of cope based on "jalen green had roughly the same PER, any teenager with a usage rate that high is gonna look sloppy, free throw rate tho"
Holland was invited so I guess he's probably going top 10 or close to it, maybe? I'm just not sure who's excited about him so he feels like a back half of the lottery guy people take when nobody else is available. He definitely has some big fans among people who follow the draft, but most of them were being like "wait for the combine! He's an elite athlete and secretly a good shooter and is going to blow everyone away" and he didn't really AFAIK.
By Sharp Go To PostCody wasn't in the top 10 invites to the combine (which is kind of like the NBA teams' official mock draft) and grades out super terribly in stat based models… of course so did Risacher lol. I saw someone say that Risacher and Cody should be ranked close to each other in every mock draft like the Thompson twins were and it might be true, but the league doesn't seem to agree. Probably just residual French bias overflowing from the Wemby draft to be honest.ah fair enough.
Holland was invited so I guess he's probably going top 10 or close to it, maybe? I'm just not sure who's excited about him so he feels like a back half of the lottery guy people take when nobody else is available. He definitely has some big fans among people who follow the draft, but most of them were being like "wait for the combine! He's an elite athlete and secretly a good shooter and is going to blow everyone away" and he didn't really AFAIK.
Ja'Kobe got an invite?
By DY_nasty Go To Posti think hollinger has him #1 - but his write up was a lot of cope based on "jalen green had roughly the same PER, any teenager with a usage rate that high is gonna look sloppy, free throw rate tho"Almost certainly someone bites 😂
By DY_nasty Go To Postdominated some of the U16/17 and hoop summit showcases.Heard this exact sentiment on a podcast recently, so, yea. Not the best.
against g-league comp he was a mess though
By blackace Go To PostAlmost certainly someone bites 😂Portland might swing, idk.
By reilo Go To PostPortland might swing, idk.Well if you are going to gamble. this would be the draft.
By blackace Go To PostWell if you are going to gamble. this would be the draft.I think that's the consensus. They'll be bad again next year again and the top 8 would go #1 this year and it sounds like it won't be close lol. Early talk but still.
By blackace Go To Postah fair enough.Nah but I doubt all ten of the guys on that list get picked top ten, teams are going to have different big boards and they'll start to diverge at some point. The Grizzlies usually don't care much about the consensus, and seem to treat the draft more as a source of cheap talent who can contribute right away rather than looking for pure upside, so I'm expecting them to take older productive prospects who did well in tournament play over raw / unproven talent (and they also kinda need a big center to replace Steven Adams). As for the Jazz... while I was kind of joking, someone noticed Ainge has been picking guys who ranked high in Pelton's blended model lately... he's probably not literally doing that, it just means they are weighting statistical performance pretty high.
Ja'Kobe got an invite?
By Sharp Go To PostNah but I doubt all ten of the guys on that list get picked top ten, teams are going to have different big boards and they'll start to diverge at some point. The Grizzlies usually don't care much about the consensus, and seem to treat the draft more as a source of cheap talent who can contribute right away rather than looking for pure upside, so I'm expecting them to take older productive prospects who did well in tournament play over raw / unproven talent (and they also kinda need a big center to replace Steven Adams). As for the Jazz… while I was kind of joking, someone noticed Ainge has been picking guys who ranked high in Pelton's blended model lately… he's probably not literally doing that, it just means they are weighting statistical performance pretty high.that's why I asked about Cody 😂
Anyways Cody goes 12th at worst because that's what NBA teams do, they take siblings hostage lol
By Sharp Go To PostTried to think about who teams are actually likely to take (of the top 10 pre-combine draft invites) and it's kinda grim…
- 1. Hawks - Sarr
- 2. Wizards - Topic / Clingan (or basically anyone, the new front office might throw a curveball).
- 3. Rockets - Reed, Clingan / Risacher (or trade the pick).
- 4. Spurs - Reed / Risacher, Castle (outside shot of Dillingham, Buzelis / Holland if they're dumb).
- 5. Pistons - Matas (or whoever they think "BPA" is, unless it's Topic).
- 6. Hornets - no clue honestly except that it's not going to be Topic and probably not Dillingham or Knecht… Dy?
- 7. Blazers - Castle / Risacher, Clingan if available (followed by whoever is left who isn't a guard).
- 8. Spurs - depends on pick #4, but either best guard or best wing who's still available (if none: probably Knecht or Holland).
- 9. Memphis - Edey / Knecht (based on who they usually like, but they'll definitely also snap up Clingan or Reed if they fall).
- 10. Jazz - the guy at the top of Pelton's blended rankings out of whoever's left. So probably Edey, Ja'Kobe Walter, or Johnny Furphy if it's not one of the consensus guys that slipped.
Honestly think I'd rather be in that 8-10 spot than picking 4-7, because I really don't think the bottom tier of those consensus guys is likely to turn out better than the top tier of non consensus guys.
I would think the Spurs go Reed or Dillingham whichever is left, then they go with a high potential player. I think the Rockets trade the pick too, also DC is gonna beg for Dillingham.
It's such a crazy draft 😂
Sarr is basically the number 1 and after that nobody has any clue what is happening.
The consensus so far, that I have seen, is Risacher going 2nd.
But even that's all over the place.
If Reed falls to the Spurs and they pass on him, Pop is cooked
Sarr is basically the number 1 and after that nobody has any clue what is happening.
The consensus so far, that I have seen, is Risacher going 2nd.
But even that's all over the place.
If Reed falls to the Spurs and they pass on him, Pop is cooked
By DY_nasty Go To Posthonestly not even sure if sarr is a safe bet at #1I would agree if almost anyone but the Hawks had 1
By reilo Go To PostWhat's Sarr's upside? Tyson Chandler?He defensive upside is pretty high and seems that denfensively he has a chance not to get taken out of games in the 4th