By reilo Go To PostNuggets were up 24 with only a +2 3PM made late into the third quarterI'm saying that it's extremely dumb that you for some reason think it's better or more honorable to lose by being outplayed in every other aspect of the game than lose to bad three point luck.
Your friend would've known this had he watched the game
It's not dumb. The Celtics entire offensive scheme relies on their three-point shooting being god-tier for them to have a successful offense. When that deterioates, their scheme falters.
... the Nuggets, do not rely on being a good three-point shooting team. If you think the Nuggets won tonight off of three-point luck, then you didn't watch at all -- or any of their 4 wins versus the Lakers.
... the Nuggets, do not rely on being a good three-point shooting team. If you think the Nuggets won tonight off of three-point luck, then you didn't watch at all -- or any of their 4 wins versus the Lakers.
By reilo Go To PostIt's not dumb. The Celtics entire offensive scheme relies on their three-point shooting being god-tier for them to have a successful offense. When that deterioates, their scheme falters.As opposed to the Wolves, who shot 43% and still get blown out. Do you get why I find this line of argument silly? All three of the non Nuggets teams shoot 39% and the Nuggets shoot 37.4%, the teams that are good at shooting threes are going to take a lot of threes whether you want them to or not. Wolves took two fewer threes than the Celtics did yesterday.
… the Nuggets, do not rely on being a good three-point shooting team. If you think the Nuggets won tonight off of three-point luck, then you didn't watch at all – or any of their 4 wins versus the Lakers.I didn't say the Nuggets won primarily due to three point luck, rather the opposite. I am seriously questioning whether you actually read any of my posts. My point is that on the balance, if you only lose when the opposing team significantly outshoots you on 3P%, that is generally better than if you lose even with both teams shooting their average 3P%.
Nuggets won tonight by not letting Ant just do whatever he wanted, good Jokic screens and Naz Reid being a total nonfactor. Nuggets made adjustments and it's clear the Timberwolves either didn't make their own, didn't expect the Nuggets to do their adjustments and or were just thrown off by Gobert back in the mix. Ant was definitely not as aggressive as game 2 as well.
Three point shooting is just not even a discussion to make right now if you're watching these games lol.
Three point shooting is just not even a discussion to make right now if you're watching these games lol.
Put the broad brush down. I never implied nor said this is an argument to be made about every team.
This is specifically about the Celtics and how they run their offense and what happens when their 3PT shot falters.
And honestly, the most egregious team in 3PT luck this season has been the Knicks. They're playing like last season's Heat in the playoffs.
The one thing I have come to believe over the years that the way to a championship is knowing how to win games when things don't go your way -- the Celtics have shown none of that for multiple playoffs now with the Tatum/Jaylen core.
This is specifically about the Celtics and how they run their offense and what happens when their 3PT shot falters.
And honestly, the most egregious team in 3PT luck this season has been the Knicks. They're playing like last season's Heat in the playoffs.
The one thing I have come to believe over the years that the way to a championship is knowing how to win games when things don't go your way -- the Celtics have shown none of that for multiple playoffs now with the Tatum/Jaylen core.
Also, why am I supposed to believe the Celtics are different in these playoffs than what they put on the floor last year?
1) Porzingis is hurt and probably out a very long time if he even returns in these playoffs (shocker)
2) Jrue is the worst offensive player in the playoffs (8PPG, 45TS%)
Their big off-season has left them, where exactly?
1) Porzingis is hurt and probably out a very long time if he even returns in these playoffs (shocker)
2) Jrue is the worst offensive player in the playoffs (8PPG, 45TS%)
Their big off-season has left them, where exactly?
By reilo Go To PostPut the broad brush down. I never implied nor said this is an argument to be made about every team.Okay thanks for letting me know this is just old school "they wanted it more" style analysis and not a legitimate basketball opinion you hold, that is kind of a relief.
This is specifically about the Celtics and how they run their offense and what happens when their 3PT shot falters.
The one thing I have come to believe over the years that the way to a championship is knowing how to win games when things don't go your way – the Celtics have shown none of that for multiple playoffs now with the Tatum/Jaylen core.
By Sharp Go To PostOkay thanks for letting me know this is just old school "they wanted it more" style analysis and not a legitimate basketball opinion you hold, that is kind of a relief.It's me, analytics hater. C'mon man.
So scheme and what you do on the court doesn't matter anymore? Okay, glad we're down to analytics being this reductive again.
With Kristaps out, you can't even say it's the same team on the floor that helped accumulate all of those precious stats.
By reilo Go To PostAlso, why am I supposed to believe the Celtics are different in these playoffs than what they put on the floor last year?Pritchard and Hauser have dramatically improved, and playoff dropper stuff is mostly not predictive from year to year.
1) Porzingis is hurt and probably out a very long time if he even returns in these playoffs (shocker)
2) Jrue is the worst offensive player in the playoffs (8PPG, 45TS%)
Their big off-season has left them, where exactly?
By i can get you a toe Go To PostThink it just sucks to lose period when you could have played or shot better.
it sucks to lose, yes, me you and Walter for damn sure agree that's true
By Sharp Go To PostPritchard and Hauser have dramatically improved, and playoff dropper stuff is mostly not predictive from year to year.We're now at the point that you won't even acknowledge that losing KP for the remainder of the playoffs is impactful for the Celtics?
K. I'm going to bed.
By reilo Go To PostIt's me, analytics hater. C'mon man.I never said any of those things. But stuff like "they don't know how to win games when things don't go their way" or thinking the Celtics are somehow the only team in the league for whom it's a schematic concern when they get outshot from three (while for anyone else it's just variance) is entirely narrative cliche. If you're talking about their inability to do complex in game adjustments like Spo can, then sure, that's a thing, but none of the teams left in the playoffs have coaches who have recently demonstrated they can do that. Other than maybe Thibs who has other things to worry about.
So scheme and what you do on the court doesn't matter anymore? Okay, glad we're down to analytics being this reductive again.
With Kristaps out, you can't even say it's the same team on the floor that helped accumulate all of those precious stats.
By reilo Go To PostWe're now at the point that you won't even acknowledge that losing KP for the remainder of the playoffs is impactful for the Celtics?
K. I'm going to bed.
That's that, Sharp. Bed bugs, yo, never effecting reilo.
By reilo Go To PostWe're now at the point that you won't even acknowledge that losing KP for the remainder of the playoffs is impactful for the Celtics?They certainly need him to be clear favorites in the finals, but the Eastern Conference games are not somehow a tossup because he's not in, lol.
K. I'm going to bed.
By Sharp Go To PostOkay thanks for letting me know this is just old school "they wanted it more" style analysis and not a legitimate basketball opinion you hold, that is kind of a relief.😂
I mean, drama aside the big thing I noticed last night was Jokic playing way better on defense and setting harder screens. That and Murray got his groove back 🤷♂️
The shooting was definitely a factor but it really doesn’t matter that much when you get up 9 more shots than the other team.
The shooting was definitely a factor but it really doesn’t matter that much when you get up 9 more shots than the other team.
People are like they have nobody so they have to play the same guys.
Yeah wonder why they have nobody.
Yeah wonder why they have nobody.
By diehard Go To Postsaturday afternoon games should be gone by the second roundNo
By diehard Go To Postsaturday afternoon games should be gone by the second round
Canonical example of an opinion that is wrong.^^
Do better. Have a gourmet soda and try again.
edit: DiPro and second hand pizza knows what's up.
Putting a rookie ref crew on their first assignment for a crucial game 3 is kinda crazy
Cuz there’s absolutely no way this team has ever had any professional work before
Cuz there’s absolutely no way this team has ever had any professional work before
By friskySHOOKface Go To PostPJ > loLukaluka coastin' waitin for 4th
By You got 14 bricks right there? Go To PostKyrie is poetry
Can the nba just adopt the anti hack a shaq rule from fiba? Ty.
Seeing Chet run around the court trying to foul Lively is idiotic.
Seeing Chet run around the court trying to foul Lively is idiotic.
By DiPro Go To PostCan the nba just adopt the anti hack a shaq rule from fiba? Ty.
Seeing Chet run around the court trying to foul Lively is idiotic.
On one hand I agree on the other hand bad freethrow shooters should be put to the fire. Work on your craft and they won't foul, once Lively started making them they stopped
I love that people are believing in PJ Washington. When you expect the most, he will fail and make fools of everyone.
By DY_nasty Go To PostI love that people are believing in PJ Washington. When you expect the most, he will fail and make fools of everyone.
"PJ will choke in the finals" is a white hot take lol
By Sho_Nuff82 Go To Post"PJ will choke in the finals" is a white hot take lolhe choked literally every playoff game outside of the last two but by all means buy that real estate lol