By reilo Go To PostNo, they do not. To the latter, Victor might be good enough next season where it wouldn't be speeding up anything.
I'd want a core around his own age, especially with the Thunder core guys being young. I'm not about to leave any doors open for him to leave cause we gotta look for another star to pair him up with in 4 yrs.
By reilo Go To PostI just don't see how a pairing of Don and Jalen works.Yeah that's horrible.
By You got 14 bricks right there? Go To PostI'd want a core around his own age, especially with the Thunder core guys being young. I'm not about to leave any doors open for him to leave cause we gotta look for another star to pair him up with in 4 yrs.Anyone his own age would hold him back
By DiPro Go To PostAnyone his own age would hold him back
That's fine, I never seen a team rush a non LeBron build and it turn out good. The Mavs are on borrowed time with Luka cause they hit the gas too early based on how good he was/is.
By You got 14 bricks right there? Go To PostI'd want a core around his own age, especially with the Thunder core guys being young. I'm not about to leave any doors open for him to leave cause we gotta look for another star to pair him up with in 4 yrs.That's myopic and recency bias. We also don't know if this Thunder core will work itself out. They may be missing some veteran presences to actually be successful. Also, SGA is a bit older than Chet, Jalen, et al. -- he's not exactly 20 years old.
And again, Victor won't suffer from playing with better players, that's just a weird line in the sand to be age aligned.
Look at the Celtics -- Jrue and Horford are much older than Tatum, Brown, and White.
By You got 14 bricks right there? Go To PostThat's fine, I never seen a team rush a non LeBron build and it turn out good. The Mavs are on borrowed time with Luka cause they hit the gas too early based on how good he was/is.Wemby is on a LeBron trajectory. The Mavs' issue with Luka is that (1) his impact stats never matched his box score production (he had a +2 on/off or lower the first four years of his career!) and (2) they had to trade tons of draft capital to get him and Porzingis (two firsts for Luka, two firsts for Porzingis). I feel like people took the wrong lesson from that, the team around him was pretty good and Porzingis and Brunson showing out after they got traded shows that the Mavs' problem those years was never about lack of high end talent around Luka, it was lack of depth and some degree of Luka being overrated by box score stats.
The problem with the Mavs earlier on in Luka's career is that they surrounded him with trash, not that they were not on the same trajectory / age curve / whatever.
By You got 14 bricks right there? Go To PostThat's fine, I never seen a team rush a non LeBron build and it turn out good. The Mavs are on borrowed time with Luka cause they hit the gas too early based on how good he was/is.They never got Luka an in his prime guy tho. Porzingis was fine but he was injured all the time and then they got 32 year old Kyrie. Supporting cast was only decent when they made the WCF and this year post all stars.
That's not exactly 27 yo Mitchell.
By DY_nasty Go To PostI'd trade for Fox before signing MitchellThey'd have to give up a truckload of assets though, and that might hurt them down the line. They need to maintain their asset flexibility moreso than finding the perfect fit.
If they can sign Don outright, that's a better overall call even if Fox is the better target, imo.
By reilo Go To PostThey'd have to give up a truckload of assets though, and that might hurt them down the line. They need to maintain their asset flexibility moreso than finding the perfect fit.Yeah these days someone of Mitchell's caliber actually hitting free agency is really rare, if he does this would be one of the Spurs' few opportunities to get a surefire star in his prime without giving up anything. Like I said I doubt they actually get him but I still think it would be the right move.
If they can sign Don outright, that's a better overall call even if Fox is the better target, imo.
By reilo Go To PostThat's myopic and recency bias. We also don't know if this Thunder core will work itself out. They may be missing some veteran presences to actually be successful. Also, SGA is a bit older than Chet, Jalen, et al. – he's not exactly 20 years old.
And again, Victor won't suffer from playing with better players, that's just a weird line in the sand to be age aligned.
Look at the Celtics – Jrue and Horford are much older than Tatum, Brown, and White.
Shai is 25, Dub is 22 and Chet is 22, whether they work or not that's what I'd want to surround him with. They're going to have a long runway to find out if they can win. The Celtics have had one cause Brown and Tatum were so young and they've been able to just replace pieces around them, they passed on plenty of chances to trade for Butler, Kawhi and PG13.
When it comes to players like Victor you don't need to rush it, you should take advantage of getting good players on rookie deals while you can cause after next year it's not happening anymore.
A bad signing is worse than a pricy trade imo
Donovan plateaued already and the fact he took the Cavs nowhere and provided no real stability for the org as a whole should be talked about more.
Donovan plateaued already and the fact he took the Cavs nowhere and provided no real stability for the org as a whole should be talked about more.
They can always trade Don and recoup it. Unless he has an awful career ending injury, it won't hurt them.
By You got 14 bricks right there? Go To PostShai is 25, Dub is 22 and Chet is 22, whether they work or not that's what I'd want to surround him with. They're going to have a long runway to find out if they can win. The Celtics have had one cause Brown and Tatum were so young and they've been able to just replace pieces around them, they passed on plenty of chances to trade for Butler, Kawhi and PG13.Tatum and Brown were surrounded by Isaiah Thomas, Kyrie, Horford, Marcus Morris, and Hayward off the bat. This is really revisionist lol. They came into a good situation with vets and it didn't hold them back!
EDIT: Marcus Smart was also 4 years older than Tatum.
By DiPro Go To PostThey never got Luka an in his prime guy tho. Porzingis was fine but he was injured all the time and then they got 32 year old Kyrie. Supporting cast was only decent when they made the WCF and this year post all stars.
That's not exactly 27 yo Mitchell.
Donovan is a small 2 guard getting PRP knee injections during the season, I'm not gambling on that if I got Victor on my team.
By reilo Go To PostThey can always trade Don and recoup it. Unless he has an awful career ending injury, it won't hurt them.you really can't though lol. just look at guys like lavine, hayward, etc
donovan's already slowing down too. he used to be one of my favorite players but he's tagged a lot of red flags the past few years
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By You got 14 bricks right there? Go To PostDonovan is a small 2 guard getting PRP knee injections during the season, I'm not gambling on that if I got Victor on my team.You won't gamble on a guy who almost singlehandedly held the Cavs up this season, but you are willing to gamble on all the Spurs' heavily protected future first round picks conveying and not being trash 4-5 years down the line when you have much less cap flexibility? Hell if they just played to their expected win/losses this season by net rating they would be picking behind the Grizzlies in the 2024 draft, I really doubt they are going to be in a good position to get the players people are excited about in 2025 and 2026 regardless of how trash the rest of the roster is.
By Sharp Go To PostYou won't gamble on a guy who almost singlehandedly held the Cavs up this season, but you are willing to gamble on all the Spurs' heavily protected future first round picks conveying and not being trash 4-5 years down the line when you have much less cap flexibility? Hell if they just played to their expected win/losses this season by net rating they would be picking behind the Grizzlies this season, I really doubt they are going to be in a good position to get the players people are excited about in 2025 and 2026 regardless of how trash the rest of the roster is.the cavs stink and he's as much of the problem as garland, bb, allen, and mobley. mitchell has been getting the brad beal pass and even i can't scapegoat rudy for it anymore
By DY_nasty Go To Postthe cavs stink and he's as much of the problem as garland, bb, allen, and mobley. mitchell has been getting the brad beal pass and even i can't scapegoat rudy for it anymoreThe Cavs are 12-13 without him this year and 34-18 with him, don't put him in Beal talks. I hear what you're saying as far as injuries go but he's a much higher caliber player when he's on the court and not playing hobbled.
By Sharp Go To PostYou won't gamble on a guy who almost singlehandedly held the Cavs up this season, but you are willing to gamble on all the Spurs' heavily protected future first round picks conveying and not being trash 4-5 years down the line when you have much less cap flexibility? Hell if they just played to their expected win/losses this season by net rating they would be picking behind the Grizzlies in the 2024 draft, I really doubt they are going to be in a good position to get the players people are excited about in 2025 and 2026 regardless of how trash the rest of the roster is.
Nope, not trading picks for smaller 2 guards, ever. He's coming up on a new contract too? What he is today may not be what he is 2 yrs from now, guys that size that rely on athleticism are never getting a contract from me as they approach 30. He's great and he's from my area too so it pains me even say that but nah, not risking it.
Only way he's getting to SA is if they trade for him, cause he's absolutely ending up in NY if he's a fa. He's building a house here, spends his off-season here and is all buddy buddy with the Knicks guys and Mikal Bridges.
By Sharp Go To PostThe Cavs are 12-13 without him this year and 34-18 with him, don't put him in Beal talks. I hear what you're saying as far as injuries go but he's a much higher caliber player when he's on the court and not playing hobbled.at a glance, i can't disagree with that. but cleveland is a team of cowards - that discrepancy exists because that roster simply needs someone that actually wants to shoot on purpose lol
when he leaves for good that team will implode and his value is gonna get bumped for it too
By diehard Go To Postthis is my discussion and im at work plz slow downi know lmao
By You got 14 bricks right there? Go To PostNope, not trading picks for smaller 2 guards, ever. He's coming up on a new contract too? What he is today may not be what he is 2 yrs from now, guys that size that rely on athleticism are never getting a contract from me as they approach 30. He's great and he's from my area too so it pains me even say that but nah, not risking it.I would not trade picks for him, I'm talking about the hypothetical case where he signed with them (which I agree is unlikely). My point is that without that kind of signing the Spurs are stuck using their draft picks on high upside players to try to find a #2, instead of going for ready to contribute role players who are easier to project, something they've been much better at. Unless Atlanta completely tanks or Wemby gets injured a year like MJ or Robinson, I don't think they'll be picking high enough to contend for Flagg or Boozer, and their new FO hasn't done a great job picking in the bottom half of the lottery, so that's a huge gamble IMO.
Only way he's getting to SA is if they trade for him, cause he's absolutely ending up in NY. He's building a house here, spends his off-season here and is all buddy buddy with the Knicks guys and Mikal Bridges.
By reilo Go To PostHow are the Knicks gonna say Don in FA? They're way above the cap.dump bogdan, hartenstein and burks, trade donte for cornchips. wouldn't be too hard
By DY_nasty Go To Postdump bogdan, hartenstein and burks, trade donte for cornchips. wouldn't be too hardStill over the cap. They'd have to dump Julius for peanuts. And that's before Anunoby opts out and gets a shiny new contract. For '24-25, they are $63mil over.
Remember, they have to get below the cap by a certain amount to give Don what he's gonna seek ($40mil+).
By Sharp Go To PostI would not trade picks for him, I'm talking about the hypothetical case where he signed with them (which I agree is unlikely). My point is that without that kind of signing the Spurs are stuck using their draft picks on high upside players to try to find a #2, instead of going for ready to contribute role players who are easier to project, something they've been much better at. Unless Atlanta completely tanks or Wemby gets injured a year like MJ or Robinson, I don't think they'll be picking high enough to contend for Flagg or Boozer, and their new FO hasn't done a great job picking in the bottom half of the lottery, so that's a huge gamble IMO.
Nah, the fall off for guards his size is always really nasty, he's not a FA fill 2026 and he'll be turning 30 that season. That's too much of a gamble especially with him getting a max. If they could get him this summer in FA with caproom that's 1 thing, but trading for him or waiting till 2026 is two others. I don't think they should miss next year's draft, that is the one they need to be in whether Victors upset or not, there's more difference makers in that draft than just Flagg too.
By You got 14 bricks right there? Go To PostNah, the fall off for guards his size is always really nasty, he's not a FA fill 2026 and he'll be turning 30 that season. That's too much of a gamble especially with him getting a max. If they could get him this summer in FA with caproom that's 1 thing, but trading for him or waiting till 2026 is two others. I don't think they should miss next year's draft, that is the one they need to be in whether Victors upset or not, there's more difference makers in that draft than just Flagg too.I read next year's draft has around 7 guys that would go #1 this year ezpz and everyone else in this draft class would be a distant second
By reilo Go To PostHow are the Knicks gonna say Don in FA? They're way above the cap.
They have a ton of picks, all it takes from Donovan is to give a list of teams he'd go to and have the Nets and Knicks on it. His agent reminds everyone he's going to be a free agent soon so don't bother trading for him if you're not on the list. The Harden / AD play
By You got 14 bricks right there? Go To PostThe Harden / AD playThat play is dead, Jim.
By reilo Go To PostI read next year's draft has around 7 guys that would go #1 this year ezpz and everyone else in this draft class would be a distant second
Yeah even taking out Flagg there's the big kid at Duke, Ace Bailey, VJ Edgecombe, Dylan Harper (Ron Harpers son) and more. Like Boogie Fland is on Rob Dillingham level and he's not yet projected in the top 10.
By You got 14 bricks right there? Go To PostNah, the fall off for guards his size is always really nasty, he's not a FA fill 2026 and he'll be turning 30 that season. That's too much of a gamble especially with him getting a max. If they could get him this summer in FA with caproom that's 1 thing, but trading for him or waiting till 2026 is two others. I don't think they should miss next year's draft, that is the one they need to be in whether Victors upset or not, there's more difference makers in that draft than just Flagg too.I think they can't tank properly unless they pull some point Sochan BS, Wemby is too good. They've had a -3 net rating since Tre went into the starting lineup, which is like Nets territory. That gets you into the mid to late lottery most of the time, which is where they've made inspiring picks like Jeremy Sochan and Josh Primo. And that's assuming literally no progress from this year, there is a world where they're in Bulls/Hawks hell. Like yeah there could still be good players where those teams draft, but that's the point where lottery protections usually end and the Spurs can just use all the other teams' picks they've hoarded.
I didn't even try to spell big kids name off memory, he's from Sudan and I'm just gonna say big kid and save myself.
By Sharp Go To PostI literally think they can't tank properly unless they pull some point Sochan BS, Wemby is too good. They've had a -3 net rating since Tre went into the starting lineup, which is like Nets territory. That gets you into the late lottery most of the time, which is where they've made inspiring picks like Jeremy Sochan and Josh Primo. And that's assuming literally no progress from this year, there is a world where they're in Bulls/Hawks hell.
Late lottery is fine, just need one more bite at the apple. After that they can take a look at 2025 free agents, and trade picks, but I feel like rushing after this season would be a mistake, especially if it's for guys like Trae or Donovan. I'd rather see them just sign Jrue Holiday for a stop gap for like 2 yrs than to see them just go all in right away
By DY_nasty Go To Postsomebody is gonna win the wooga poplar sweepstakes this year
I didn't think that name was real but once I saw he's from Philly I said it makes sense 🤣
By DY_nasty Go To Posti do think they should go after someone big, just not sure whoJonas is likely to be available.
and lol lavine fwiw
Wait, you mean big talent. Not big in size. lmao whoops
Just throwing this out there... his mobility is a lot better than it used to be which is why I'm relatively higher on him than a lot of people here.
By reilo Go To PostIs his mobility good or are those guards slow?He did well in the lane agility drill:
An example of that drill:
By Sharp Go To Post
Just throwing this out there… his mobility is a lot better than it used to be which is why I'm relatively higher on him than a lot of people here.
That's not bad at all honestly. How's he look in transition?