Yeah, my brother in law hoops it up with the Mormons all the time. It's a weirdly big deal to those folks but it also fits with the whole family village thing they've got going on (that I occasionally get jealous of but also hell no to having that many kids.)
The way he talks about some of those family's kids you'd think more of the league would be Mormon than is currently the case.
The way he talks about some of those family's kids you'd think more of the league would be Mormon than is currently the case.
It helps when your whole deal is making a whole ass basketball team of little ones. Don't even need another family to join the scrim.
Celtics don’t need Dame
Dame don’t wanna come here either
These trade rumors are dumb
Pat Riley being cheap is holding this trade up, just do it
Dame don’t wanna come here either
These trade rumors are dumb
Pat Riley being cheap is holding this trade up, just do it
By Koko Go To PostWhat's Toronto offer? OG/Barnes + Picks + Filler ?They say Barnes is off limits.
The current rumor is that it involves Phoenix somehow:
PDX: OG, Ayton, picks
TOR: Dame
PHX: Nurkc + role player or two
Barnes makes most sense for Portland but Toronto rates him really high long-term and he's on a cost-controlled contract for at least two more seasons. OG is on the last year of his contract and is looking to get paid next off-season so keeping him alongside adding Dame's contract (and Pascal's upcoming extension) isn't tenable financially, so I get it.
OG is a good get and fills a need and is still a good age for Portland if Barnes isn't there.
Masai pulling this off would be the biggest of ironies -- yes. I don't know if he'll do it, still. The worst part of that trade is seeing Masai being proven right but I don't see a better offer on the table 😂
All I know is I want no part of the trash Miami offer. They can eat shit.
All I know is I want no part of the trash Miami offer. They can eat shit.
The only team that can offer worse assets than Miami are the Hornets
Dumbass media person: why do the blazers hate Miami?
Dumbass media person: why do the blazers hate Miami?
By Rob Go To PostThe only team that can offer worse assets than Miami are the Hornetsor lets play this game.
Dumbass media person: why do the blazers hate Miami?
is this a Fact or fiction headline?
Lakers News: Here's How LA Can Land Damian Lillard After His Trade Request From Portland
The Heat offered a trade package that included sharpshooter Tyler Herro and two first-round picks, a source said.Barry Jackson:
Crazy that Caleb Martin & Jaime Jaquez are holding the Heat from getting Dame
Cheap af owner don’t wanna pay Bam next season and will dump him for Jamie
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Lol just two first round picks
Gotta offer at least 4 with Herro
Cheap af owner don’t wanna pay Bam next season and will dump him for Jamie
👀
Lol just two first round picks
Gotta offer at least 4 with Herro
By domino Go To PostFree Dame
Lmao let the hypocrite Lame Time rot.
So basically it's OG vs Herro, assuming Toronto isn't moving Barnes. And without including OG they have nothing to offer.
You'd certainly prefer O.G given his age and hoping he can have a Mikal Bridges moment. Assuming it'd be something like Anunoby, Trent, picks.
There's also the chance that Dame asks out again and any conveyed picks gain increased value as the Raptors are then forced to take a step back.
So I can see why Portland would prefer it if Toronto is willing to take the risk. The Toronto team with Dame wouldn't be very good though. It'd actually be a step back from what Portland has today with Dame.
You'd certainly prefer O.G given his age and hoping he can have a Mikal Bridges moment. Assuming it'd be something like Anunoby, Trent, picks.
There's also the chance that Dame asks out again and any conveyed picks gain increased value as the Raptors are then forced to take a step back.
So I can see why Portland would prefer it if Toronto is willing to take the risk. The Toronto team with Dame wouldn't be very good though. It'd actually be a step back from what Portland has today with Dame.
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostThe Toronto team with Dame wouldn't be very good though. It'd actually be a step back from what Portland has today with Dame.???
Even I don't believe that. That's an insane take lol.
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostSo basically it's OG vs Herro, assuming Toronto isn't moving Barnes. And without including OG they have nothing to offer.
You'd certainly prefer O.G given his age and hoping he can have a Mikal Bridges moment. Assuming it'd be something like Anunoby, Trent, picks.
There's also the chance that Dame asks out again and any conveyed picks gain increased value as the Raptors are then forced to take a step back.
So I can see why Portland would prefer it if Toronto is willing to take the risk. The Toronto team with Dame wouldn't be very good though. It'd actually be a step back from what Portland has today with Dame.
Think OG gets rerouted to another team for more picks and the Blazers get Dick too
Blazers don't necessarily want ALL picks in return. It's not really a viable strategy and introduces way more risk. They'd much prefer to keep the 25-26 All-Defensive commodity and have him grow alongside Scoot and Shae -- it's also a huge position of need for them.
Trading him away for picks that might be 3-5 years out for a player that might be ready 3-5 years thereafter... why? At that point Scoot and Shae will be pushing 25-30, and you're in the exact same position.
This whole "the entire roster needs to be the same age" never made sense to me.
Now, if he signals he won't sign an extension then you trade him at the deadline.
Trading him away for picks that might be 3-5 years out for a player that might be ready 3-5 years thereafter... why? At that point Scoot and Shae will be pushing 25-30, and you're in the exact same position.
This whole "the entire roster needs to be the same age" never made sense to me.
Now, if he signals he won't sign an extension then you trade him at the deadline.
By reilo Go To PostBlazers don't necessarily want ALL picks in return. It's not really a viable strategy and introduces way more risk. They'd much prefer to keep the 25-26 All-Defensive commodity and have him grow alongside Scoot and Shae – it's also a huge position of need for them.
Trading him away for picks that might be 3-5 years out for a player that might be ready 3-5 years thereafter… why? At that point Scoot and Shae will be pushing 25-30, and you're in the exact same position.
This whole "the entire roster needs to be the same age" never made sense to me.
Now, if he signals he won't sign an extension then you trade him at the deadline.
Makes more sense to trade him especially if you can get picks and another young player back. Your payroll would look crazy for a team that's going nowhere anytime soon and he may give you a couple more wins than you want taking you out of prime lottery spots in drafts that will have small forwards the next 2-3 yrs.
Paying him and Grant at the same time on a lottery team is bad news.
By You got 14 bricks right there? Go To PostMakes more sense to trade him especially if you can get picks and another young player back. Your payroll would look crazy for a team that's going nowhere anytime soon and he may give you a couple more wins than you want taking you out of prime lottery spots in drafts that will have small forwards the next 2-3 yrs.I assumed Grant might have also been on the way out, tbh. Don't know for who or what.
Paying him and Grant at the same time on a lottery team is bad news.
By reilo Go To PostThis whole "the entire roster needs to be the same age" never made sense to me.It’s not like you’re gonna be able to keep the whole team together anyway.
By You got 14 bricks right there? Go To PostMakes more sense to trade him especially if you can get picks and another young player back. Your payroll would look crazy for a team that's going nowhere anytime soon and he may give you a couple more wins than you want taking you out of prime lottery spots in drafts that will have small forwards the next 2-3 yrs.I don't see why it matters. I also don't see OG fetching a lottery pick.
Paying him and Grant at the same time on a lottery team is bad news.
Like Kib said, Grant will probably moved in the long-term. They're shedding Lillard's $45mil salary that's escalating to $60mil in a few seasons, so adding another $12mil to OG's extension doesn't really matter especially with new TV deal incoming that's going to balloon the cap again.
They most likely won't have any supermaxes on the roster for a while and their highest paid salaries are gonna cap out at $30-35mil. Even if they had 4 dudes on the roster making that type of money next season, it still doesn't impact them that much long-term as the rest of the roster is filled with a bunch of cost-controlled contracts.
If they trade Nurk for Ayton and if OG gets a Grant-like extension, the next highest paid guy on the roster in 2024-25 after Ayton, OG, Grant (if still there) and Simons would be Thybulle at $11mil/yr.
They'd be going from 4 guys (Lillard, Grant, Simons, Nurk) making $123mil to 4 guys (Ayton, Grant, OG, Simons) making $121mil. The team doesn't even blink at that with the new TV deal incoming. And unlike Lillard's salary that's gonna jump quite a bit, those contracts salaries will rise at a much more modest amount.
I also can't imagine having an OG type is bad for Scoot or Shae's development, if anything having dudes that can play defense and stretch the floor can only help.
This, again, isn't my opinion whether those contracts are worth it, just posturing how the team sees it from a cap perspective.
By Kibner Go To PostI assumed Grant might have also been on the way out, tbh. Don't know for who or what.
Can't trade him or Thybulle till December, and honestly who will want him at what he's making now?
I think y'all are waaaay too suck at raw dollar money and not looking at it from a % of the cap. A $30mil contract in 2023 is the equivalent of a $15mil contract in 2013.
The 30th highest paid player in 2023-24 (Darius Garland!) makes $4mil more than the highest paid player did in 2013 -- KOBE BRYANT.
By reilo Go To PostI don't see why it matters. I also don't see OG fetching a lottery pick.
Like Kib said, Grant will probably moved in the long-term. They're shedding Lillard's $45mil salary that's escalating to $60mil in a few seasons, so adding another $12mil to OG's extension doesn't really matter especially with new TV deal incoming that's going to balloon the cap again.
They most likely won't have any supermaxes on the roster for a while and their highest paid salaries are gonna cap out at $30-35mil. Even if they had 4 dudes on the roster making that type of money next season, it still doesn't impact them that much long-term as the rest of the roster is filled with a bunch of cost-controlled contracts.
If they trade Nurk for Ayton and if OG gets a Grant-like extension, the next highest paid guy on the roster in 2024-25 after Ayton, OG, Grant (if still there) and Simons would be Thybulle at $11mil/yr.
They'd be going from 4 guys (Lillard, Grant, Simons, Nurk) making $123mil to 4 guys (Ayton, Grant, OG, Simons) making $121mil. The team doesn't even blink at that with the new TV deal incoming. And unlike Lillard's salary that's gonna jump quite a bit, those contracts salaries will rise at a much more modest amount.
I also can't imagine having an OG type is bad for Scoot or Shae's development, if anything having dudes that can play defense and stretch the floor can only help.
This, again, isn't my opinion whether those contracts are worth it, just posturing how the team sees it from a cap perspective.
OG won't get you a lottery pick in a trade but he could hurt the odds of your own pick, he's good for a couple wins here and there on the random night he got 25+ to go with his defense. He also doesn't want to be just a 3 & D guy anymore, he's like Grant when he went to the Pistons, he wants touches and more responsibility on offense.
There's a lot of other players you gotta move and there's no guarantees anyone will trade for them, I think y'all are stuck with Grant too. If you're gonna do a rebuild go scorched earth, don't see how keeping OG helps and if teams wanna throw multiple picks at getting him that makes the most sense.
By reilo Go To PostI think y'all are waaaay too suck at raw dollar money and not looking at it from a % of the cap. A $30mil contract in 2023 is the equivalent of a $15mil contract in 2013.I was wrong. The 50th highest paid player in 2013-14 was DeAndre Ayton at $10mil. Jerami Grant is the 50th highest paid player in 2023-24 at $27.5mil
By reilo Go To PostI think y'all are waaaay too suck at raw dollar money and not looking at it from a % of the cap. A $30mil contract in 2023 is the equivalent of a $15mil contract in 2013.
I'm not caught up on the money, I just don't think Grant is all that good. He's big numbers bad team guy and is the worst kind of tweener that can't guard fast 3s and is too frail to guard big 4s and doesn't protect the rim. Lots of cardio on defense not much impact.
By You got 14 bricks right there? Go To PostOG won't get you a lottery pick in a trade but he could hurt the odds of your own pick, he's good for a couple wins here and there on the random night he got 25+ to go with his defense. He also doesn't want to be just a 3 & D guy anymore, he's like Grant when he went to the Pistons, he wants touches and more responsibility on offense.Why is everyone always pushing for teams to bottom out for 5 seasons? Who says they're going scorched earth? These are quite the assumptions. I don't get it. 3 of the top 5 players in today's NBA weren't even lottery picks.
There's a lot of other players you gotta move and there's no guarantees anyone will trade for them, I think y'all are stuck with Grant too. If you're gonna do a rebuild go scorched earth, don't see how keeping OG helps and if teams wanna throw multiple picks at getting him that makes the most sense.
Scorched earth might get you back to respectability in 5 years... or have you look like the Kings, Magic and Timberwolves for 15.
One of the big things to remember here is the Blazers aren’t a team that has intentionally bottomed out, ever AFAIK. If you’re confident Scoot’s gonna be all-star good in a couple years and you can land OG and Ayton in your front court, you’re already done rebuilding pretty much.
By reilo Go To PostWhy is everyone always pushing for teams to bottom out for 5 seasons? Who says they're going scorched earth? These are quite the assumptions. I don't get it. 3 of the top 5 players in today's NBA weren't even lottery picks.
Scorched earth might get you back to respectability in 5 years… or have you look like the Kings, Magic and Timberwolves for 15.
None of those teams stockpiled picks, almost all the teams trading their players for pick stockpiles have flexibility and more options. The Magic tried the half foot in half foot out type of rebuild after Dwight and it failed miserably, they're doing better now off the Vucecic trade than they did with Dwight.
If you believe Cronin is a good gm, go scorched earth.
Portland will most likely be naturally bad as it is. I can't recall many teams succeeding building a winning culture without having veterans that know the game and have complimentary skillsets around.
Didn't we just learn anything from Houston the last few seasons?
Didn't we just learn anything from Houston the last few seasons?
By You got 14 bricks right there? Go To PostNone of those teams stockpiled picks, almost all the teams trading their players for pick stockpiles have flexibility and more options. The Magic tried the half foot in half foot out type of rebuild after Dwight and it failed miserably, they're doing better now off the Vucecic trade than they did with Dwight.????
2013: #2 (Oladipo)
2014: #4 (A. Gordon)
2015: #5 (Hezonja)
2016: #11 (Sabonis)
2017: #6 (Isaacs)
2018: #6 (Bamba)
2021: #5 (Suggs), #8 (Wagner)
2022: #1 (Banchero)
2023: #6 (Black)
Legit couldn't ask for better draft fortune than this.
By You got 14 bricks right there? Go To PostIf you believe Cronin is a good gm, go scorched earth.This almost never works. Unless you're the Spurs. That's it. Can't think of anyone else.
By reilo Go To Post????
2021: #5 (Suggs), #8 (Wagner)
2022: #1 (Banchero)
2023: #6 (Black)
Jett Howard 2023 - 11
They traded Vucevic for Wendell Carter and 2 picks in 2021, that's when I'm counting from. Before that they relied solely on the draft and their singular 1 shot in the first round, since 2021 things are on the up and up for them. Wagner was the Bulls pick too.
Bro, they had 3 Top 5 picks right after they traded Dwight. I won't hear that they needed more or better picks. They fucked it. This is insanity 😂
5 Top 6 picks in 6 seasons is about as good of a draft haul you can get. It gave them nothing.
5 Top 6 picks in 6 seasons is about as good of a draft haul you can get. It gave them nothing.
By reilo Go To PostI was wrong. The 50th highest paid player in 2013-14 was DeAndre Ayton at $10mil. Jerami Grant is the 50th highest paid player in 2023-24 at $27.5milNo wonder why Deandre Ayton doesn’t care about winning, he’s been getting paid since he was 15
OG is not gonna want to stay for the Portland rebuild. You'd get more from him from a 3rd team now than you would at the deadline.
By reilo Go To PostBro, they had 3 Top 5 picks right after they traded Dwight. I won't hear that they needed more or better picks. They fucked it. This is insanity 😂
5 Top 6 picks in 6 seasons is about as good of a draft haul you can get. It gave them nothing.
They needed more, I'm a believer in the Hinkie process. Take as many shots at the draft as possible if you're not Presti or Jerry West.
4 picks and 2 swaps for Lillard then take the 3 picks that teams offered for Anunoby. Keeping him doesn't do much now or later.
By s y Go To PostAll this for herro and a publix sub
I've heard Publix subs are good, surprised the Blazers haven't taken the deal straight up.