By reilo Go To PostNot necessarily. Jeff Green played 15 years of high level basketball with heart surgery. He found out he had an aortic aneurysm during a routine checkup.Monty Williams also had an NBA career with a heart condition.
Idk man
Lamelo and ANT get a 5 year 260 million dollar contract and no one says shit
Jaylen gets 40 million more and everyone loses their mind 🧐
Washed Celtics life 😎
Lamelo and ANT get a 5 year 260 million dollar contract and no one says shit
Jaylen gets 40 million more and everyone loses their mind 🧐
Washed Celtics life 😎
By masud Go To PostThey have to pay Tatum soon too. He might slap the shit out of someone if they try to act funny…Tatum will get his deal the first day it’s available to give
By RAThasReturned Go To PostThat much money….for him?!!!!!!!!!??now imagine he wasn't an alright ball handler
By friskySHOOKface Go To PostIdk manBecause Jaylen is already 26 so he's not going to improve much beyond what he already is, which is like the fifth best player on a contending team. And the trade kicker makes it even worse. They are pretty much locked into their current roster now for the duration of that contract.
Lamelo and ANT get a 5 year 260 million dollar contract and no one says shit
Jaylen gets 40 million more and everyone loses their mind 🧐
Washed Celtics life 😎
By Sharp Go To PostBecause Jaylen is already 26 so he's not going to improve much beyond what he already is, which is like the fifth best player on a contending team. And the trade kicker makes it even worse. They are pretty much locked into their current roster now for the duration of that contract.OK now this is ridiculous lol
By diehard Go To PostOK now this is ridiculous lolTatum, Derrick White, Porzingis, Robert Williams, Jaylen Brown is a perfectly reasonable ranking of the Celtics players right now. Maybe you could put him fourth if you hate Timelord but that's it. I mean yeah the Celtics are ridiculously stacked but most contenders are.
By Kibner Go To PostAnd they were also locked into their roster before the contract signing, too.They could've traded him before for something useful, this contract can only be traded for another albatross.
By Sharp Go To PostDerrick White, Porzingis, Robert WilliamsThese dudes are not better than Jaylen c'mon now lol this is ridiculous
By reilo Go To PostThese dudes are not better than Jaylen c'mon now lol this is ridiculousDerrick White and Porzingis definitely are and it's not particularly close. Robert Williams it's debatable, he's ahead in some metrics but not others (mostly just EPM which likes Jaylen more than just about any other stat because the way it's computed can be kind of dumb for high usage players).
Jaylen scores a lot of points at league average TS% while not really passing, turning the ball over a lot (exploitable in the playoffs), and playing mediocre defense. When he leaves the floor next to Tatum, the Celtics point differential barely changes. When he's with the bench, the Celtics lose their minutes. He's fine, but there are lots of players like him, giving him the supermax is insane.
By s y Go To PostSharp does not watch ballWhat does Jaylen Brown do that to you makes him better than Porzingis.
Jaylen was gonna be finals mvp if Tatum wasn’t ultra shook
Lol Robert Williams better than Jaylen, oof
Porzingus gonna get bullied by Bam, at least Jaylen can dunk/make a lay up on Bam
Derrick White plays shook too
Lol Robert Williams better than Jaylen, oof
Porzingus gonna get bullied by Bam, at least Jaylen can dunk/make a lay up on Bam
Derrick White plays shook too
By friskySHOOKface Go To PostJaylen was gonna be finals mvp if Tatum wasn’t ultra shookDerrick White literally got the Celtics to game seven and Jaylen lost them game seven.
Lol Robert Williams better than Jaylen, oof
Porzingus gonna get bullied by Bam, at least Jaylen can dunk/make a lay up on Bam
Derrick White plays shook too
By Sharp Go To PostWhat does Jaylen Brown do that to you makes him better than Porzingis.Did you by chance watch Kristaps the last time he was in the playoffs?
By diehard Go To PostDid you by chance watch Kristaps the last time he was in the playoffs?Did you watch Jaylen last time he was in the playoffs? Porzingod was been way better with the Wiz than he ever was with the Mavs, he's the only reason the tank didn't start a year early. He was injured there and Luka is a ballhog who just wanted him to stand in the corner. He's gonna ball out for the Celtics.
By Sharp Go To PostDerrick White and Porzingis definitely are and it's not particularly close. Robert Williams it's debatable, he's ahead in some metrics but not others (mostly just EPM which likes Jaylen more than just about any other stat because the way it's computed can be kind of dumb for high usage players).So he's not the 5th best player on a Finals team? I'm confused.
Jaylen scores a lot of points at league average TS% while not really passing, turning the ball over a lot (exploitable in the playoffs), and playing mediocre defense. When he leaves the floor next to Tatum, the Celtics point differential barely changes. When he's with the bench, the Celtics lose their minutes. He's fine, but there are lots of players like him, giving him the supermax is insane.
Let me ask you this: who were the 1-5 on the 2022 and 2023 Celtics teams that made the ECF and Finals?
2022
1 - Tatum
2 - Horford
3 - Smart
4 - Brown
5 - Williams
2023
1 - Tatum
2 - Brown
3 - White
4 - Horford
5 - Smart
imho
1 - Tatum
2 - Horford
3 - Smart
4 - Brown
5 - Williams
2023
1 - Tatum
2 - Brown
3 - White
4 - Horford
5 - Smart
imho
By reilo Go To PostSo he's not the 5th best player on a Finals team? I'm confused.In terms of who was the better player or who had the better playoff run? Better player, both years it was Tatum, White, Smart, then some mix of Robert Williams / Jaylen Brown. You all have absolutely no clue how good Derrick White is, you should ask people who actually root for the Celtics whether they think Jaylen is better than him.
Let me ask you this: who were the 1-5 on the 2022 and 2023 Celtics teams that made the ECF and Finals?
I can't
Robert Williams is on a single knee c'mon now
Derrick White is a bench player and only played starter minutes because they whiffed on Brogdon
Robert Williams is on a single knee c'mon now
Derrick White is a bench player and only played starter minutes because they whiffed on Brogdon
By Rob Go To PostJaylen is overrated but saying White and Pingis is better is nutsWhy is he better? The box score estimators don't say he is. Tracking data doesn't say he is. The +/- data doesn't say he is. RAPM doesn't say he is, with or without luck adjustment. The Celtics win games at a 55-win pace without him, the Spurs absolutely collapsed when White left. Everyone agrees the Wizards are going to collapse without Porzingis even though Beal didn't play much last season and we brought back a lot of the roster. So what makes Jaylen better? He scores a lot of points on a stacked team? He had a good playoff run in 2022? Jordan Poole already did both those things and people think he sucks.
By reilo Go To PostI can'tDerrick White started 70 games this year because he's the second best player on the Celtics.
Derrick White is a bench player and only played starter minutes because they whiffed on Brogdon
Robert Williams is on a single knee c'mon nowYet still providing just as much impact as Jaylen.
By Sharp Go To PostDerrick White literally got the Celtics to game seven and Jaylen lost them game seven.
Jaylens game is a 1A-1B punch with Tatum
Tatum would’ve been dribbling more/bringing the ball up but he couldn’t since he fucked his ankle and Jaylen tried to be a hero
Rizz god Ime would’ve told him to stop being a dumbass and got his head cleared up by the second quarter
By reilo Go To PostI give upYeah, and they knew they had to trade White and Murray to do that because they wouldn't lose enough games otherwise. Can you all even explain to me why you think Brown is better other than "White was a bench player last year" which also at one point described fucking James Harden?
The Spur collapsed to chase Wendy
By friskySHOOKface Go To PostJaylens game is a 1A-1B punch with TatumJaylen's game always collapses without Tatum, but Tatum's game doesn't collapse without Jaylen. The Celtics are barely better with both of them on the court than just Tatum and it's been that way literally the entire time they've been on the team. Whatever value you think Brown does provide, its's super redundant with what Tatum already does.
Tatum would’ve been dribbling more/bringing the ball up but he couldn’t since he fucked his ankle and Jaylen tried to be a hero
Rizz god Ime would’ve told him to stop being a dumbass and got his head cleared up by the second quarter
All I know is Jaylen will be 31 when his deal is finished
Washed life starts after 30 so it is what it is
He’ll force his way to Atlanta by year 3/4
Washed life starts after 30 so it is what it is
He’ll force his way to Atlanta by year 3/4
By reilo Go To PostThey were a 32-ish win team with him! What is this lolThey were super unlucky that year, they were an expected .500 team by SRS. That's why they had to jettison all their good players to guarantee the tank.
Sharp you're underrating having a two way wing that can guard multiple positions and score 20ppg in a playoff series.
By Sharp Go To PostThey were super unlucky that year, they were an expected .500 team by SRS. That's why they had to jettison all their good players to guarantee the tank.There's 3 seasons of Derrick White on a Spurs team where their record was 32, 33, and 34
They were unlucky for 240+ games?
By You got 14 bricks right there? Go To PostSharp you're underrating having a two way wing that can guard multiple positions and score 20ppg in a playoff series.Guarding multiple positions poorly while and scoring a lot of points at average efficiency on super high usage on a stacked team is not actually all that valuable, especially on a team like the Celtics where literally almost every player is an above average good option. Tatum already covers the "get me a bucket" role for them in the playoffs, they really don't need Jaylen's 20 points as much as you're saying. Especially since Jaylen is incredibly exploitable in the playoffs!
I can't think of a contending team that was better off only have 1 legit scoring threat to make them succeed -- not ever. Not once. I need an example within the last 30 years.
It's like saying the Nuggets don't need Murray or the Bucks don't need Middleton because they have other good players on the roster.
It's like saying the Nuggets don't need Murray or the Bucks don't need Middleton because they have other good players on the roster.
All 3 of these have made the Finals as #2 considered by and large, and two of them won championships in that role in the last three seasons. Can you name them without looking them up?
1. Slightly above average TS% ✅
2. Turnover prone ✅
3. Slightly above average WS/48 ✅
4. High USG% ✅
By reilo Go To PostThere's 3 seasons of Derrick White on a Spurs team where their record was 32, 33, and 34You mean the bubble year when he only started 20 games and had to sit behind DeMar, the year he only played 36 games due to injury, and the year that he got traded where they had a positive SRS? Yeah I agree it's crazy he didn't drag the Spurs to .500 those years.
They were unlucky for 240+ games?
By Sharp Go To PostYou mean the bubble year when he only started 20 games and had to sit behind DeMar, the year he only played 36 games due to injury, and the year that he got traded where they had a positive SRS? Yeah I agree it's crazy he didn't drag the Spurs to .500 those years.I really like White but why are we being so selective about his stats? His most recent playoff run is 100% who he is and his 21-22 playoff run of 8.5PPG on .494 TS% is definitely not?
By friskySHOOKface Go To PostJaylen was gonna be finals mvp if Tatum wasn’t ultra shookNgl
Lol Robert Williams better than Jaylen, oof
Porzingus gonna get bullied by Bam, at least Jaylen can dunk/make a lay up on Bam
Derrick White plays shook too
Tatum grimacing for all of Game 7 but still dunking here and there for appearances all while his team got punked was crazy
Never seen a #1 take the early out in an elimination game like that