By reilo Go To PostDolan still salty that MJ owned the Knicks before the Hornets
Dolan 😂
LaMelo gets no calls it's proven. Think he has one of the worst FT rates among guys who drive often too.
By You got 14 bricks right there? Go To PostBun B going to retire off him
He gonna be 300lbs by start of the season if he's still on the Sixers.
By reilo Go To PostOh wow no way I never would have thought noted pure hoopers Kyle Kuzma and Jordan Poole were chuckers
Sharpe/DY/Smokey, don't look
By DY_nasty Go To PostLaMelo gets no calls it's proven. Think he has one of the worst FT rates among guys who drive often too.Watch these two videos of LaMelo and Paolo drives and tell me with a straight face the issue is with the refs and not LaMelo.
The narrative that every player who drives a lot and doesn't get a lot of free throws is being screwed over by the refs needs to go away. If he wants to get to the line, LaMelo needs to actually plan his drives, shots, and layups with the intent of initiating hard contact like Paolo does, not try a weird floater or circus layup every time he runs into a defender. Towards the end of the video when he actually tries to get the defense off balance it works fine and he gets calls, so it's not like he can't do it.
By diehard Go To Postwell technically thats just efficiency. Like, Giddey is far from a chucker.Yeah I know, Kuz and Poole definitely are though lol. Some of the guys on that list are guys who get most of their offensive value in transition so it's a little misleading.
By Kibner Go To PostUhhh, I hope this is fakebron isnt a laker legend.
By unknown Go To Postbron isnt a laker legend.Look closer at the caption and who it is in reference to.
By Sharp Go To PostWatch these two videos of LaMelo and Paolo drives and tell me with a straight face the issue is with the refs and not LaMelo.Is two minutes supposed to invalidate multiple seasons of lamelo getting the Jeremy Lin treatment? lol the main reason he started flopping to sell contact was to draw more attention to everything he's doing. It makes no sense how he's in foul trouble on one end and gets nothing even when defenders own the hack.
The narrative that every player who drives a lot and doesn't get a lot of free throws is being screwed over by the refs needs to go away. If he wants to get to the line, LaMelo needs to actually plan his drives, shots, and layups with the intent of initiating hard contact like Paolo does, not try a weird floater or circus layup every time he runs into a defender. Towards the end of the video when he actually tries to get the defense off balance it works fine and he gets calls, so it's not like he can't do it.
Yeah I know, Kuz and Poole definitely are though lol. Some of the guys on that list are guys who get most of their offensive value in transition so it's a little misleading.
Even last year he started racking up techs like he was Stephen Jackson
Dudes had his best games against the bucks even though he gets mauled each time
Like there will be close games and refs will be legit nah lol
"Just drive like the 6'10 Webber-built PF" aside, you can't point to many high usage guards who drive more and get fewer calls. Especially when guys like Chris Paul look at an open lane and play dead to get more free throw line trips.
By diehard Go To PostSo you're saying that when Haliburton starts getting calls he's going to be even betterI only hate on Hali because no one else will
Before we had top 3, I wanted us to trade back for him. The receipts exist.
By DY_nasty Go To Post"Just drive like the 6'10 Webber-built PF" aside, you can't point to many high usage guards who drive more and get fewer calls. Especially when guys like Chris Paul look at an open lane and play dead to get more free throw line trips..
When you actually restrict play types to drives and look at ftr on those play types (FTA/FG attempted), LaMelo is fairly average for a high usage guard, around 0.230. Terry Rozier for example drives less per game but shoots more, and has an almost identical ftr on drives ending in a shot. Jalen Brunson both shoots and drives way more and has an almost identical ftr on drives ending in a shot. There are a bunch of guys--Dejounte Murray, Josh Giddey, TJ McConnell--who shoot more and have a way worse ftr on drives in a shot. Even Kyrie has a worse ftr on drives ending in a shot than LaMelo. I could list a lot more, unfortunately you have to do the ftr calculation yourself as FTA/FGA but the data are here. The refs are not screwing him over on his drives.
So why is his overall ftr so low? Because his drives end without a field goal attempt at a much higher rate than almost anyone else who drives that much. He passes the ball out without an assist almost 45% of the time, and turns the ball over about 6.4% of the time, so 51.4% of his drives don't result in him attempting to score. If you sort by PTS% (which isn't exactly the same as "possessions with a shooting attempt" but it's close), you can see that very few guards pass that much while driving that much. Tyrese does but he draws free throws in other play types as well. FVV does, but he's a pretty elite foul baiter on drives. Both of them still have a below average overall ftr because of how much they pass out. The only guards who drive a lot while shooting as little as LaMelo and still have a high overall ftr are slashing guards like Russ, KPJ, and Ivey who have like a .40 or .50 ftr on driving shooting attempts. CP3, by the way, got virtually no free throws on his drives this season, the refs aren't rewarding his flopping at this point in his career.
So basically, if you want LaMelo to get to the line more, the options are either have him foulbait on other play types, learn to force hard contact better on the shots he does take, or take contested shots more instead of passing out (that's what leads to fouls after all). Blaming the refs for him never getting to the line makes no sense.
By diehard Go To PostSo you're saying that when Haliburton starts getting calls he's going to be even betterHali has the same thing as LaMelo going on like I said in the post, he draws fouls on drives at an average rate but he passes out too much to have an average overall ftr. I'm actually curious how his ftr is even as high as it is because it means he's drawing fouls like crazy on some other play type.
this feels like the bomber survivorship bias in basketball form tbh
he doesn't take those shots because he gets contact that should result in a foul. continuing the play, which is the test most aspiring NBA point guards fail, means finding other ways to maintain a positive possession.
he doesn't take those shots because he gets contact that should result in a foul. continuing the play, which is the test most aspiring NBA point guards fail, means finding other ways to maintain a positive possession.
By DY_nasty Go To Postthis feels like the bomber survivorship bias in basketball form tbhExcept that we can actually watch him play and see that he avoids hard contact on his drives. All the stats say he's totally average from a foul drawing perspective, except that he passes way too much for the amount he scores. Not that he's being unfairly maligned by the refs. Passing that much and not looking to score whenever there's defensive pressure also makes him predictable the same way someone who always looks to shoot is, which is probably what's depressing his overall points per possession on drives despite him being an elite passer. The other option would be for him to get more efficient on the shots he does take, like Hali has, and not worry about drawing fouls, since that has the same effect of forcing the defense to respect your shot. Either way, he clearly needs to learn to get comfortable with contact at the rim instead of just blaming the refs when they don't call soft bumps on him (i.e. at least 2/4 of the videos you posted where you were trying to show me how mistreated he is).
he doesn't take those shots because he gets contact that should result in a foul. continuing the play, which is the test most aspiring NBA point guards fail, means finding other ways to maintain a positive possession.
By Sharp Go To PostExcept that we can actually watch him play and see that he avoids hard contact on his drives. All the stats say he's totally average except that he passes way too much, not that he's being unfairly maligned by the refs. Passing that much and not looking to score whenever there's defensive pressure also makes him predictable the same way someone who always looks to shoot is, which is probably what's depressing his overall points per possession on drives despite him being an elite passer. He clearly needs to learn to shoot more and get comfortable with contact instead of just blaming the refs when they don't call soft bumps on him (i.e. at least 2/4 of the videos you posted where you were trying to show me how mistreated he is).defensive pressure in the form of....? because this sounds exactly like how jeremy lin got a transnational intervention lol
there isn't really a stat for missed calls. nor is there anything to show a guy's reaction to it becoming a trend outside of flat out ben simmonsing it up or coaches removing them from late game rotations because its forfeiting possessions at that point.
the "shoot more" point is exactly what validated the past two years too. lamelo came into the season stating he was going to take on more scoring responsibility - his FGAs from all over the court went up and he went back to SG around 20% of his time out - and his FTR went backwards.
the contact dodging argument doesn't even make sense because he's in the top bracket of rebounding for guards.
By DY_nasty Go To Postdefensive pressure in the form of….? because this sounds exactly like how jeremy lin got a transnational intervention lolDefensive pressure in the form of normal bigs trying to jump vertically in the paint. He's not dealing with something other guards aren't. Like I said, plenty of guards have a worse ftr on drives than LaMelo, including guys like Kyrie who also avoid contact... the difference is that Kyrie can make those tough shots consistently. LaMelo needs another strategy. He knows how to bait bigs into jumping at him and draw fouls with hard contact, especially when they're out of position (which they often are since he's so good at manipulating them in the paint). But he doesn't do it consistently and tries to move around them to make a shot instead (or just passes out) and expects refs to bail him out when like, a hand grazes his back on a shot attempt, or tries to jump into them himself very gently and hope for a bailout call. Not sure what you want me to call that outside of avoiding hard contact.
there isn't really a stat for missed calls. nor is there anything to show a guy's reaction to it becoming a trend outside of flat out ben simmonsing it up or coaches removing them from late game rotations because its forfeiting possessions at that point.Your original argument was that LaMelo wasn't getting calls because his ftr was bad even though he drove a lot, but I showed that he's getting fouled on drives a very normal amount when he actually tries to score, and his issue is that he passes out of them a lot. Not one of the videos you ever linked about how unfair the refs are to LaMelo were about him passing out of contact, it was always on FG attempts, which we know he gets fouled a normal amount on. Maybe he was just getting frustrated by other no calls and the ones when he tried to score were the straw that broke the camel's back? Personally I doubt him getting no called and forced into a pass happens more than once or twice a game, if that, which considering he passes on like 45% of his drives wouldn't really explain anything. But if you have evidence that's actually what's going on I'm happy to listen.
the "shoot more" point is exactly what validated the past two years too. lamelo came into the season stating he was going to take on more scoring responsibility - his FGAs from all over the court went up and he went back to SG around 20% of his time out - and his FTR went backwards.I'm talking specifically about drives here since those are the easiest way to generate free throws. Personally I feel like his ftr is kind of a red herring here because nobody really cares whether he gets to the line as long as he's generating offense, the problem is that his passes on drives are objectively not generating the level of offense necessary to justify him drive-passing this much. If shooting around the court generated more offense than his drives, then yeah he should be shooting more and driving less, and I don't think you can say that strategy was a failure overall considering how many games he missed and how injured the roster was. The problem might also just have been not having the players around him to create offense off his passes, and if that's the case you should be really happy about Brandon Miller.
the contact dodging argument doesn't even make sense because he's in the top bracket of rebounding for guards.LaMelo is the height of an SF and rebounds about aveage for an SF. Average rebound rate for small forwards this season was 9.2%, LaMelo was 9.7%. Even if you buy that rebounding rate somehow tells you how much someone loves contact (I don't! Maybe charges do or something), that would mean he likes contact... an average amount. Which would lead to an average free throw rate on shot attempts on drives which is exactly what we see.
You showed a two minute clip 😂 then gave the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence basketball spin. And started all this off by saying he should drive more like Paolo Banchero.
I enjoyed the dig for what it was and humor but c'mon now.
I enjoyed the dig for what it was and humor but c'mon now.
By DY_nasty Go To PostYou showed a two minute clip 😂 then gave the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence basketball spin. And started all this off by saying he should drive more like Paolo Banchero.
I enjoyed the dig for what it was and humor but c'mon now.
By blackace Go To PostMight have been the best scene in the show lol
holy shit. i feared for the worst reading that tweet.
glad he's okay but i guess that's a wrap on the career?
glad he's okay but i guess that's a wrap on the career?
By DiPro Go To Postholy shit. i feared for the worst reading that tweet.Not necessarily. Jeff Green played 15 years of high level basketball with heart surgery. He found out he had an aortic aneurysm during a routine checkup.
i guess that's a wrap on the career?
$69mil in 2028-29 wow
$70mil was a 4-year contract for a starting caliber player just 3 off-seasons ago
$70mil was a 4-year contract for a starting caliber player just 3 off-seasons ago
By Rob Go To PostCardiac arrest at that age has to be one of the scariest thingsIt's more common than ppl think too
Hopefully everything’s okay.
By You got 14 bricks right there? Go To PostHe legit looks happier with that trophy than he did any NBA hardware he's won.lmao. he really does
By reilo Go To Postholy shit, hope he recovers.
WTF holy shit
Hope the kid is okay